Comments on: Electric cars: iPhones of the auto industry?

Consumer desire for greener cars is giving small, tech-driven companies the rare chance to outmaneuver the auto giants, start-ups say.

[BrianDuper]

The more competition the better, but I wouldn't underestimate companies like Toyota, who outsell everyone in hybrids, and can mass produce in many countries. Maybe these startups understand a thing or two about batteries and software, but there are many more parts of a car that they don't understand. Best of luck to them all.

duper

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[bschmidt25]

Right now, I think most people don't really care if a car is "green" or not, they just want something fuel efficient. Whether that's gas, hybrid, diesel, or electric doesn't matter much to them. They're just tired of paying $100 a week to fill up their cars. Emissions aren't driving the market for these cars - gas prices are.

[Stain777]

Detroit electric is the old Zap company that tends to over-promise and under-deliver. There's been a lot of shenanigans with their business practices over the years, so should be looked at not as a major player but as a company playing on the hopes of the Green industry. To date the only thing they've produced are scooters and lots of press releases. Take a read of last month's wired magazine for an in-depth article on their business practices and actual production. A quick look at their site will show you OEM's from Brazil, conceptual renders, purported alliances (currently in the courts), and electric scooters.

[open-mind]

"...incumbent companies are still four or five years away from mass-producing plug-in electric cars." "The incumbent automakers are not sitting still, either. Nissan this week said that it will offer an all-electric car in 2010. GM's Chevy Volt is supposed to come out in 2010..."


I guess if you describe every possible scenario, one of them will be right. ;-)

[willdryden]

The major automakers will resist all electric cars until the very end. There are several reasons for this. The maintenance is very low making their dealers unhappy. The vehicles last too long. Conversions have already lasted over 20 years and the owners have no idea how much longer they will last. There is no scheduled maintenance unless they are using flooded cell batteries and the only things they have to replace are tires, brakes, batteries, and windshield wipers. If they could use NiMH batteries, they would not even need to change the batteries.

[mlamonica]

from the reporter: It's interesting that you bring up maintenance, a point I wasn't able to bring up in this article. But I've heard the same about easier maintenance for electric cars. Fisker was saying that it's significantly less costly to own an electric car. But if dealers don't make money on selling cars and rely on maintenance instead, there could be some resistance at the dealer level, too. Also worth noting is that these start-ups don't actually have their own dealer networks, so they'll likely have to partner.

[rajeshmail201]

I don't understand the comparison. How is the iPhone green tech?

[mlamonica]

Sorry for the confusion. It's just an analogy: electric cars are like iPhones in that people are willing to pay a premium for products that they see as a big leap forward in functionality and cachet. In this case, the argument is that consumers who want a 'greener' car (for whatever reason) and are willing to buy new and relatively untested products.

[mlamonica]

Sorry for the confusion. It's just an analogy: electric cars are like iPhones in that people are willing to pay a premium for products that they see as a big leap forward in functionality and cachet. In this case, the argument is that consumers who want a 'greener' car (for whatever reason) and are willing to buy new and relatively untested products.

[thriftyT]

The startups have made impressive showings, but the bottom line is that even in the most innovative electric car, there are many parts that are "not innovative". Everything from the crash-safety regulations to the suspensions to the actual manufacture of the cars favors the incumbents.
Therefore, my money is still on Toyota, GM, et al. to make the most successful electric cars.

[ReVeLaTeD]

I dunno...maybe I'm in the minority.

Fuel efficiency is important, yes. But I'd rather force society to move towards that.

I know I'll get hellfire for that, but what I mean is, we really need to do something about the SUVs, the big trucks (like the Titan), and the poor management of gas. For example, people who purposely drive from Temecula, CA to Tijuana to go clubbing every weekend. While that's their right, it's a waste.

Carpooling shouldn't be mandatory, but incentivize it and people will do it.

These alternate sources are great and all but I would rather just fix the regular combustion engine model to be more fuel efficient and mandate retrofitting for no charge, so we don't lose the aesthetic pleasures of modern vehicles. These electric cars are just plain unattractive, and I'm sorry but that matters to me.

[theBike45]

Most of these startups are either producing (with great difficulty, as in the case of the often delayed Tesla) exorbitantly priced niche cars that will not affect the auto industry in the slightest, or are simply making press releases for cars that never appear, as in the case of ZAP. None of the dozens of announced cars has even gotten into the development stage and most never will. Building a modern car is mostly about parts that have nothing to do with the drivetrain. Its the rest of the car thta requires all that time to develop and expertise, which companies like Phoenix and Tesla simply do not have - they had to hire former Detroit auto execs because they didn't even know how to go about certifying a vehicle for sale. These companies are amateur hours for the most part, Fisker excluded.
They are also building the simplest cars possible - batteries and an electric motor and that's it. But those range limited vehicles aren't viable and will fail as soon as the word gets out that they take forever to recharge, can't go anywhere and have very expensive batteries that will need replacement in a few years. The used car value of those things will collapse. The biggest conspiracy out there is the one perpetrated by the environmental extremists who are hiding all of the deadly features of the battery-only electric.

[westlakers]

or we shall call it iCar. I think an all-electric car with Apple-style gadget (or User Interface), will be next iPod phenomenon! the world would be much better if average Joe in US, China, India, everywhere in the world drives an affordable iCar for work.

[CooperSWorks]

The whole iPhone/electric car thing - just call it what it is in marketing parlance: EARLY ADOPTION. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter. And yes, early iPhone customers were "early adopters".

[webdev511]

Just bring back the EV-1, put NMiH batteries in it and count me in.

[bob1xxxx]

honestly tesla and companys like them producing insainly over price. stupidly small (Im 6'4" 280 teslas are nice if your billy barty) are honestly worthless cars with almost zero usefulness. Personal I think there going to be a very gradual transition to all electric battery only cars due to the short comming current battery tech(ie 10 to 20 years for all battery power cars are the norm). What not mention here and allot of other articals on electric cars is right now there allot of tech out there right now, if implament you get you in mixed driving 40 mpg in a gasoline only powered car the size of Ford crown victory. Honestly unless there real jump in battery tech (10 min recharge time to go 350 miles in a camery size car (real size car for really americans) I think plug in hybrids are the way to go. With the 100 mile range to cover you average runs to work , shoping etc.... all with clean electric power, but if you want to take that road trip to Vegas, San fransciso, Tahoe and live in the So Cal you wont be limit to visit areas that only have the electrical support for your car (ie parking lots with the not so comming 220volt outlet) you can still go were every you want with low emmision gas hybrid engine. For the near future (ie 10 to 15 years) I think pluging hybrids is the wave of the future most americans can except. They can be made in realistic size cars, compact (ie prius) mid size (camery) full (cown victory) and even full size tucks and suv could easily go the plug in hybrid route. You get cleaner air, less forgien oil, but do not put a serious crimp on peoples life styles and driving choices. Isnt that the true american way, freedom to work and go where you please. When battery tech catchs up maybe all battery power cars will work ,but not today and we have a reasonable altnerative in are grasp and hopeful short sited green nazi's wont over look a reasonable intermediate solution that could quickly produce quality results.

[HaroldPBoushell]

Cnet Post 18OCT09

Liquid Air Powered cars could do the
same, without ?Range Limitations?.
more ?Btu? per pound only ?negative?,( - ),
run a Refrigerator-Backwards and
get Mechanical Energy Out.

Additionally, you can make Liquid Air
at home and store 300 lbs or so.
1973 class study Northrop Inst. of Technology
by
Harold P Boushell