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While the PC maker is certainly early with its carbon-neutral claim, other companies will soon follow. As they do, there will be a need to seriously vet these claims.

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by andyengle December 30, 2008 11:38 AM PST
Who gives two craps about Dell's carbon footprint. Their footprint could be ten times it's current size -- how would that affect me? Maybe some goofy eco-Marxist somewhere cares, but I certainly don't. And on that note, I think it's time to quit the constant finger-pointing about who is carbon "righteous" and who isn't.

And, this nonsense about carbon credits is a complete scam. All that is for is to provide a way for people to profit off of something we all emit: CO2. The people who came up with this scheme (Algore and the like) are the ones profiting -- in the billions of dollars -- while they personally don't live up to the standards they preach at us.
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by alstatr December 30, 2008 12:33 PM PST
Well said. It is hard to take Gore's message to heart when he lives in a huge house and flies around in a private jet. I know he buys carbon offsets and uses solar power but normal people can't afford to be carbon neutral - we can use try to use less where we can but most of the time I just shake my head at Mr. Gore's hypocrisy.
by ittesi259 December 30, 2008 1:29 PM PST
Lets not forget good old Al Gore didn't bother to get those solar panels until someone called him out on his huge usage
by gerrrg December 30, 2008 12:26 PM PST
Sorry, but I think the WSJ needs to upgrade their journalistic values. They're not contributing to the discussion of the issue on Carbon-Neutral, so much as obfuscating the generally accepted principles; think Global Warming. As much proof as we have about Global Warming, Conservatives point to anomalous data and broad climatic data to obfuscate the widely accepted and broadly defined concepts of Global Warming.

Likewise, the WSJ is simply ignoring the current, accepted rules of Carbon-Neutral policies. By confusing readers about the value of being Carbon Neutral, they miss the entire point. And this is the second time in two weeks that we've seen this: the WSJ also attacked Google's Net Neutrality stand by critiquing and obfuscating the principles of Net Neutrality.

The WSJ isn't involved in furthering policy discussions, as much as they are attacking good companies with forward-looking policies, as proxies for their war against Liberal principles.
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by patddymac December 30, 2008 12:42 PM PST
I think the article is right on. A company spewing marketing buzzwords, things they think we want to hear, just to out buzzword another company, particularly in the "Green" arena. It's rampid. After a while these words and claims become meaningless to thinking people. Non-thinking people take it all in. I believe companies should be required to back up what they say in order to say it.
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by William Crow December 30, 2008 1:57 PM PST
What's the point? The whole carbon footprint thing is a scam unless used strictly for consideration of energy efficiency. And if that's the case why not just use the term "energy efficiency rating" or "increased energy by x%."

The manmade global warming thing is a factless belief system.
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by DarkHawke December 30, 2008 10:46 PM PST
Exactly what are these "generally accepted principles"? Is there a site where they're listed? Does it also tell us who came up with these principles, who has "generally" accepted them, with what authority and on behalf of whom? Let's face it: the terms "green" and "carbon-neutral" are the 21st century equivalent of "new and improved." The public has been sufficiently propagandized to believe these qualities to be desirable in the products they buy and the companies from which they buy them, so the only logical response by a company selling a product is to play a little lip-service and an carbon-credit (read: indulgence, in the Catholic church sense of the world) here or there and they too can get on the bandwagon. And once this hysteria is "generally accepted" to be the hogwash that it obviously is, they'll move on to the next set of buzzwords and PR stunts. As they say, it's all in the game.
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by gdmaclew December 31, 2008 5:34 AM PST
Well said DarkHawke!
by Penguinisto December 31, 2008 6:38 AM PST
Heh - "carbon credits"... nice scam if you can get a piece of it. It allows anyone (Hell, even an oil company) to "purchase" them, then claim to be "green".

It's crap stunts like that which gives The Gore Crowd a well-deserved rotten reputation.
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by GardenLobster January 2, 2009 10:04 AM PST
My hubby & I just bought a Dell. When we got to the end of the configuration, it asks whether to recycle your old system through dell or "Plant a Tree for Me" for $6 bucks. And we just looked at each other and laughed.

Ok, so first they'll waste emissions on recycling the system when I can just drive it to the Goodwill computer parts store on the way to work? LOLworthy in itself.

Then there's the planting a tree for $6. That's just plain suspicious. The draw here is so obvious. People just pay an extra $6 bucks for their computer and then once a year Dell makes some tax-sheltered donation to some charity having something to do with trees. The scary thing is, I fear people may actually believe that $6 goes to planting an actual, singular tree.

First we laughed. Then we were very, very afraid at just how much revenue this scam is generating for Dell. Marketing know-how was obviously involved with the pretty art of a sapling in dirt and the "for Me" added on. That's right out of the textbooks. Sorry Dell, not falling for it, and not buying the whole "carbon neutral" thing. I bet there was plenty of leftover $6 overcharges to buy up those carbon credits.
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