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Michael Robertson started MP3.com and Linspire. Now he's taking on Apple and iTunes with BadApple.

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Apple's iTunes DRM is Baaaaad!
by September 13, 2005 5:02 AM PDT
I've bought quite a bit of music from the iTunes Store that I can play on my iMac, but not on my PowerBook. The songs say they're registered on my book, then they ask me to 'register' again.

Even the "Genius Bar" people couldn't make it work.

This is BS!
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Thats because you don't know what you're doing..
by September 13, 2005 5:34 AM PDT
Whether Apple's DRM is bad or not is debatible. Having said that,
learn how to use iTunes then you may not have the problem you
are having. You have to authotize each of your computers to play
the song. This is done by using the username/password of they
account that purchased the song.

I have a hard time believing that the person at the Genius Bar
didn't/doesn't know this. To me, that makes your whole comment
suspect.
Are you for real dude?
by nmcphers September 13, 2005 5:37 AM PDT
To authorize a computer to play songs purchased using your Apple Account

1. Select a song you've purchased (in your library or the Purchased Music playlist).

2.Click the Play button.

If the computer is already authorized, the song plays. If the computer has not yet been authorized, iTunes asks you to enter the Apple ID and password you used to purchase the song.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93014
What a crock
by September 13, 2005 10:39 AM PDT
Two things:

1. Authorize your PowerBook

-or-

2. Burn the songs to a CD, which will make your songs compatible
with your PowerBook and allow you to upload them into your
iTunes.
I've seen it before
by emcourtney September 13, 2005 11:12 AM PDT
I've been a Mac Genius and I've seen situations like this before.
The root of the problem, after eliminating operator error, is a
bad application of Fairplay by iTunes to the downloaded song.
Back then I would have recommend removing and reinstalling
Quicktime then iTunes itself. This was usually completely
ineffective but at least we would have done something. There is
a customer service process for the music store and once in a
great while they may authorize you to download the song again,
but don't hold your breath. Now that I'm not a Mac Genius
anymore I recommend jHymn, a utility which does a fair job
straightening out this kind of difficulty.

Good luck.
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All DRM is bad.
by unknown unknown September 13, 2005 9:55 PM PDT
No matter how much companies try to make it look warm and fuzzy. Companies like Apple and Napster reserve the right to change the restrictions on songs at any point. In the end it just keeps honest people honest.
Apple's iTunes DRM is Baaaaad!
by September 13, 2005 5:02 AM PDT
I've bought quite a bit of music from the iTunes Store that I can play on my iMac, but not on my PowerBook. The songs say they're registered on my book, then they ask me to 'register' again.

Even the "Genius Bar" people couldn't make it work.

This is BS!
Reply to this comment
Thats because you don't know what you're doing..
by September 13, 2005 5:34 AM PDT
Whether Apple's DRM is bad or not is debatible. Having said that,
learn how to use iTunes then you may not have the problem you
are having. You have to authotize each of your computers to play
the song. This is done by using the username/password of they
account that purchased the song.

I have a hard time believing that the person at the Genius Bar
didn't/doesn't know this. To me, that makes your whole comment
suspect.
Are you for real dude?
by nmcphers September 13, 2005 5:37 AM PDT
To authorize a computer to play songs purchased using your Apple Account

1. Select a song you've purchased (in your library or the Purchased Music playlist).

2.Click the Play button.

If the computer is already authorized, the song plays. If the computer has not yet been authorized, iTunes asks you to enter the Apple ID and password you used to purchase the song.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93014
What a crock
by September 13, 2005 10:39 AM PDT
Two things:

1. Authorize your PowerBook

-or-

2. Burn the songs to a CD, which will make your songs compatible
with your PowerBook and allow you to upload them into your
iTunes.
I've seen it before
by emcourtney September 13, 2005 11:12 AM PDT
I've been a Mac Genius and I've seen situations like this before.
The root of the problem, after eliminating operator error, is a
bad application of Fairplay by iTunes to the downloaded song.
Back then I would have recommend removing and reinstalling
Quicktime then iTunes itself. This was usually completely
ineffective but at least we would have done something. There is
a customer service process for the music store and once in a
great while they may authorize you to download the song again,
but don't hold your breath. Now that I'm not a Mac Genius
anymore I recommend jHymn, a utility which does a fair job
straightening out this kind of difficulty.

Good luck.
View all 2 replies
All DRM is bad.
by unknown unknown September 13, 2005 9:55 PM PDT
No matter how much companies try to make it look warm and fuzzy. Companies like Apple and Napster reserve the right to change the restrictions on songs at any point. In the end it just keeps honest people honest.
Apple's iTunes DRM is Baaaaad!
by September 13, 2005 5:02 AM PDT
I've bought quite a bit of music from the iTunes Store that I can play on my iMac, but not on my PowerBook. The songs say they're registered on my book, then they ask me to 'register' again.

Even the "Genius Bar" people couldn't make it work.

This is BS!
Reply to this comment
Thats because you don't know what you're doing..
by September 13, 2005 5:34 AM PDT
Whether Apple's DRM is bad or not is debatible. Having said that,
learn how to use iTunes then you may not have the problem you
are having. You have to authotize each of your computers to play
the song. This is done by using the username/password of they
account that purchased the song.

I have a hard time believing that the person at the Genius Bar
didn't/doesn't know this. To me, that makes your whole comment
suspect.
Are you for real dude?
by nmcphers September 13, 2005 5:37 AM PDT
To authorize a computer to play songs purchased using your Apple Account

1. Select a song you've purchased (in your library or the Purchased Music playlist).

2.Click the Play button.

If the computer is already authorized, the song plays. If the computer has not yet been authorized, iTunes asks you to enter the Apple ID and password you used to purchase the song.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93014
What a crock
by September 13, 2005 10:39 AM PDT
Two things:

1. Authorize your PowerBook

-or-

2. Burn the songs to a CD, which will make your songs compatible
with your PowerBook and allow you to upload them into your
iTunes.
I've seen it before
by emcourtney September 13, 2005 11:12 AM PDT
I've been a Mac Genius and I've seen situations like this before.
The root of the problem, after eliminating operator error, is a
bad application of Fairplay by iTunes to the downloaded song.
Back then I would have recommend removing and reinstalling
Quicktime then iTunes itself. This was usually completely
ineffective but at least we would have done something. There is
a customer service process for the music store and once in a
great while they may authorize you to download the song again,
but don't hold your breath. Now that I'm not a Mac Genius
anymore I recommend jHymn, a utility which does a fair job
straightening out this kind of difficulty.

Good luck.
View all 2 replies
All DRM is bad.
by unknown unknown September 13, 2005 9:55 PM PDT
No matter how much companies try to make it look warm and fuzzy. Companies like Apple and Napster reserve the right to change the restrictions on songs at any point. In the end it just keeps honest people honest.
Dreamer
by shadowself September 13, 2005 7:36 AM PDT
A utopia where all "your" music is available to you on any device you are using at any time you want it may be the ultimate desire, but how would you ever implement it? Where would "your" music reside? How would it get distrbuted to the device you are currently using? How will any generic device authenticate that you are you? How will it know what is "your" music? These and many, many more technical questions need to be answered before any such ubiquitous system can even be seriously contemplated.

This will NOT happen in 3, 5 or even 10 years. Could it happen in 20-25 years? Maybe. However, there will need to be not only large technological advances, but also social and legal changes. Anyone who believes such a pervasive and easy to use system will be implemented within the next 10 years is dreaming. Wake up.
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You may say he's a dreamer...
by skeptik September 13, 2005 8:24 AM PDT
...But he's not the only one.
I hope some day you will join us
And all your music will play as one.
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or lawsuits
A respect for customers by The Man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the songs...

OK, I got a little carried away, but you get the point. This guy is 100% on course and you're ridiculing him? There is very little technological limitation in the way of his vision now except wireless distribution to anywhere. The rest is artificial limits set by the industry with the deliberate intent of limiting what the consumer can do and increasing revenue.
He is right... I should buy a song and be able to listen to it wherever, on whatever. It's called fair use. I purchased the right to listen to the song, not the right to use my iPod. Under no circumstances should I have to buy the same song for again for a different device or PC.
Closed systems directly cause consumers to seek open formats, which usually run afoul of the industries wishes and laws. The industry is responsible for this mess and it will not go away until they pull their heads out of the sand and deliver what the consumers want.
I don't mean that all music should be free. But I shouldn't be expected to keep buying the same thing over and over. Music is a collectible, not a commodity like milk. If the industry can only comprehend a license to listen model, then we should go directly to the musician and buy a actual product directly from them. They would reap much more benefit from such a system anyway and we could all sleep with a clear conscience that we supported the creators of the content we enjoy and still have our freedom to enjoy the product.
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Dreamer
by shadowself September 13, 2005 7:36 AM PDT
A utopia where all "your" music is available to you on any device you are using at any time you want it may be the ultimate desire, but how would you ever implement it? Where would "your" music reside? How would it get distrbuted to the device you are currently using? How will any generic device authenticate that you are you? How will it know what is "your" music? These and many, many more technical questions need to be answered before any such ubiquitous system can even be seriously contemplated.

This will NOT happen in 3, 5 or even 10 years. Could it happen in 20-25 years? Maybe. However, there will need to be not only large technological advances, but also social and legal changes. Anyone who believes such a pervasive and easy to use system will be implemented within the next 10 years is dreaming. Wake up.
Reply to this comment
You may say he's a dreamer...
by skeptik September 13, 2005 8:24 AM PDT
...But he's not the only one.
I hope some day you will join us
And all your music will play as one.
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or lawsuits
A respect for customers by The Man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the songs...

OK, I got a little carried away, but you get the point. This guy is 100% on course and you're ridiculing him? There is very little technological limitation in the way of his vision now except wireless distribution to anywhere. The rest is artificial limits set by the industry with the deliberate intent of limiting what the consumer can do and increasing revenue.
He is right... I should buy a song and be able to listen to it wherever, on whatever. It's called fair use. I purchased the right to listen to the song, not the right to use my iPod. Under no circumstances should I have to buy the same song for again for a different device or PC.
Closed systems directly cause consumers to seek open formats, which usually run afoul of the industries wishes and laws. The industry is responsible for this mess and it will not go away until they pull their heads out of the sand and deliver what the consumers want.
I don't mean that all music should be free. But I shouldn't be expected to keep buying the same thing over and over. Music is a collectible, not a commodity like milk. If the industry can only comprehend a license to listen model, then we should go directly to the musician and buy a actual product directly from them. They would reap much more benefit from such a system anyway and we could all sleep with a clear conscience that we supported the creators of the content we enjoy and still have our freedom to enjoy the product.
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Robertson's inaccuracies
by September 13, 2005 10:51 AM PDT
Boy, News.com sure did gush over this guy. "Ultimately coming out ahead each time"? So, he came out ahead when he paid out $200 million in legal settlements? So he came out ahead now that his MP3.com domain is used by CNET for an "unrelated business"? So he came out ahead when he changed the name of his insignificant Linux distro to Linspire from Lindows?

Then he crows about the importance of "open"ness. Is that why his latest website uses MP3, a format that patented by Thomson? Why doesn't he use Ogg, a truly open standard?
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Yes, Robertson came out ahead
by tdwhalen September 13, 2005 5:33 PM PDT
You question whether Robertson came out ahead after he paid $200 million? Yes, of course he came out ahead. If you start a company and fight 'the man', lose $200 million in a legal settlement but make billions in personal wealth at the same time, then yes - you came out ahead. Duh.

And, although CNET says mp3.com is an unrelated business, that is actually misleading - they do use that URL for independend music content - similar to the old www.mp3.com.
I think you missed the point.
by spork27 September 15, 2005 5:31 AM PDT
Why doesn't his new site use Ogg? Well the answer is in one word thrown around the article many times, interoperability. The reason his site uses non-DRM mp3's is because this format is the one that will play on the most platforms and devices.
Robertson's inaccuracies
by September 13, 2005 10:51 AM PDT
Boy, News.com sure did gush over this guy. "Ultimately coming out ahead each time"? So, he came out ahead when he paid out $200 million in legal settlements? So he came out ahead now that his MP3.com domain is used by CNET for an "unrelated business"? So he came out ahead when he changed the name of his insignificant Linux distro to Linspire from Lindows?

Then he crows about the importance of "open"ness. Is that why his latest website uses MP3, a format that patented by Thomson? Why doesn't he use Ogg, a truly open standard?
Reply to this comment
Yes, Robertson came out ahead
by tdwhalen September 13, 2005 5:33 PM PDT
You question whether Robertson came out ahead after he paid $200 million? Yes, of course he came out ahead. If you start a company and fight 'the man', lose $200 million in a legal settlement but make billions in personal wealth at the same time, then yes - you came out ahead. Duh.

And, although CNET says mp3.com is an unrelated business, that is actually misleading - they do use that URL for independend music content - similar to the old www.mp3.com.
I think you missed the point.
by spork27 April 27, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
Why doesn't his new site use Ogg? Well the answer is in one word thrown around the article many times, interoperability. The reason his site uses non-DRM mp3's is because this format is the one that will play on the most platforms and devices.
Robertson's inaccuracies
by September 13, 2005 10:51 AM PDT
Boy, News.com sure did gush over this guy. "Ultimately coming out ahead each time"? So, he came out ahead when he paid out $200 million in legal settlements? So he came out ahead now that his MP3.com domain is used by CNET for an "unrelated business"? So he came out ahead when he changed the name of his insignificant Linux distro to Linspire from Lindows?

Then he crows about the importance of "open"ness. Is that why his latest website uses MP3, a format that patented by Thomson? Why doesn't he use Ogg, a truly open standard?
Reply to this comment
Yes, Robertson came out ahead
by tdwhalen September 13, 2005 5:33 PM PDT
You question whether Robertson came out ahead after he paid $200 million? Yes, of course he came out ahead. If you start a company and fight 'the man', lose $200 million in a legal settlement but make billions in personal wealth at the same time, then yes - you came out ahead. Duh.

And, although CNET says mp3.com is an unrelated business, that is actually misleading - they do use that URL for independend music content - similar to the old www.mp3.com.
I think you missed the point.
by spork27 September 15, 2005 5:31 AM PDT
Why doesn't his new site use Ogg? Well the answer is in one word thrown around the article many times, interoperability. The reason his site uses non-DRM mp3's is because this format is the one that will play on the most platforms and devices.
Last I heard, his software didn't work.
by M C September 13, 2005 11:43 AM PDT
Yet another in Cnet's series of "bash Apple, get page views" stories...
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by unknown unknown September 13, 2005 9:59 PM PDT
The guy is responsible for alot of software so you'll have to be more specific. His BadApple software worked fine for me, if that's what you're talking about. He didn't really bash Apple, so much as disagree with their methods along with methods of others (using formats). Bashing Apple would have been calling iTunes crap.
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Last I heard, his software didn't work.
by M C September 13, 2005 11:43 AM PDT
Yet another in Cnet's series of "bash Apple, get page views" stories...
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Reply
by unknown unknown September 13, 2005 9:59 PM PDT
The guy is responsible for alot of software so you'll have to be more specific. His BadApple software worked fine for me, if that's what you're talking about. He didn't really bash Apple, so much as disagree with their methods along with methods of others (using formats). Bashing Apple would have been calling iTunes crap.
View reply
Last I heard, his software didn't work.
by M C September 13, 2005 11:43 AM PDT
Yet another in Cnet's series of "bash Apple, get page views" stories...
Reply to this comment
Reply
by unknown unknown September 13, 2005 9:59 PM PDT
The guy is responsible for alot of software so you'll have to be more specific. His BadApple software worked fine for me, if that's what you're talking about. He didn't really bash Apple, so much as disagree with their methods along with methods of others (using formats). Bashing Apple would have been calling iTunes crap.
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U Guys Aught To Read Jobs' Interview of 12/3/03
by September 13, 2005 1:48 PM PDT
"we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content." S. P.
Jobs

I think Steve's doing an awsome job with what he's got. It's
better if people were to work with him to bring about this digital
revolution than busy themselves fighting against him. I know
geniuses don't always win, but here's an opportunity to make
great product available to the masses. At the moment, with the
exception of Jobs & Co., what technology you have available to
you is based on how persuasive or cunning the individual is in
selling it to you. Read that article...

-- The aim of technology is to be compelling. That is, to compel
a diffent point of view.

OD
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It is all about being compelling.
by September 13, 2005 8:03 PM PDT
There are so many "defactos" in technology and yet somehow
Apple with iTunes seems to be a burning issue of not opening
up. Cry me a river!! I can take no time at all with my purchased
music, burn it and import it back into anything I want. So
what's the big deal?!!
Personally for me a good example where Apple may have
dropped the ball is with the new mobile phone. Apple should
have put in as much effort in designing a phone like they do with
the rest of their products. They could've had the whole mobile
phone industry trembling.

If someone can make arranging and porting music as good as
Apple or better I'll go with it.............if it's compelling!!
Everything else is just whinning and backward thinking.
View reply
U Guys Aught To Read Jobs' Interview of 12/3/03
by September 13, 2005 1:48 PM PDT
"we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content." S. P.
Jobs

I think Steve's doing an awsome job with what he's got. It's
better if people were to work with him to bring about this digital
revolution than busy themselves fighting against him. I know
geniuses don't always win, but here's an opportunity to make
great product available to the masses. At the moment, with the
exception of Jobs & Co., what technology you have available to
you is based on how persuasive or cunning the individual is in
selling it to you. Read that article...

-- The aim of technology is to be compelling. That is, to compel
a diffent point of view.

OD
Reply to this comment
It is all about being compelling.
by September 13, 2005 8:03 PM PDT
There are so many "defactos" in technology and yet somehow
Apple with iTunes seems to be a burning issue of not opening
up. Cry me a river!! I can take no time at all with my purchased
music, burn it and import it back into anything I want. So
what's the big deal?!!
Personally for me a good example where Apple may have
dropped the ball is with the new mobile phone. Apple should
have put in as much effort in designing a phone like they do with
the rest of their products. They could've had the whole mobile
phone industry trembling.

If someone can make arranging and porting music as good as
Apple or better I'll go with it.............if it's compelling!!
Everything else is just whinning and backward thinking.
View reply
U Guys Aught To Read Jobs' Interview of 12/3/03
by September 13, 2005 1:48 PM PDT
"we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content." S. P.
Jobs

I think Steve's doing an awsome job with what he's got. It's
better if people were to work with him to bring about this digital
revolution than busy themselves fighting against him. I know
geniuses don't always win, but here's an opportunity to make
great product available to the masses. At the moment, with the
exception of Jobs & Co., what technology you have available to
you is based on how persuasive or cunning the individual is in
selling it to you. Read that article...

-- The aim of technology is to be compelling. That is, to compel
a diffent point of view.

OD
Reply to this comment
It is all about being compelling.
by September 13, 2005 8:03 PM PDT
There are so many "defactos" in technology and yet somehow
Apple with iTunes seems to be a burning issue of not opening
up. Cry me a river!! I can take no time at all with my purchased
music, burn it and import it back into anything I want. So
what's the big deal?!!
Personally for me a good example where Apple may have
dropped the ball is with the new mobile phone. Apple should
have put in as much effort in designing a phone like they do with
the rest of their products. They could've had the whole mobile
phone industry trembling.

If someone can make arranging and porting music as good as
Apple or better I'll go with it.............if it's compelling!!
Everything else is just whinning and backward thinking.
View reply
Dreamer
by shadowself April 27, 2008 10:00 PM PDT
A utopia where all "your" music is available to you on any device you are using at any time you want it may be the ultimate desire, but how would you ever implement it? Where would "your" music reside? How would it get distrbuted to the device you are currently using? How will any generic device authenticate that you are you? How will it know what is "your" music? These and many, many more technical questions need to be answered before any such ubiquitous system can even be seriously contemplated.

This will NOT happen in 3, 5 or even 10 years. Could it happen in 20-25 years? Maybe. However, there will need to be not only large technological advances, but also social and legal changes. Anyone who believes such a pervasive and easy to use system will be implemented within the next 10 years is dreaming. Wake up.
Reply to this comment
You may say he's a dreamer...
by skeptik April 27, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
...But he's not the only one.
I hope some day you will join us
And all your music will play as one.
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or lawsuits
A respect for customers by The Man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the songs...

OK, I got a little carried away, but you get the point. This guy is 100% on course and you're ridiculing him? There is very little technological limitation in the way of his vision now except wireless distribution to anywhere. The rest is artificial limits set by the industry with the deliberate intent of limiting what the consumer can do and increasing revenue.
He is right... I should buy a song and be able to listen to it wherever, on whatever. It's called fair use. I purchased the right to listen to the song, not the right to use my iPod. Under no circumstances should I have to buy the same song for again for a different device or PC.
Closed systems directly cause consumers to seek open formats, which usually run afoul of the industries wishes and laws. The industry is responsible for this mess and it will not go away until they pull their heads out of the sand and deliver what the consumers want.
I don't mean that all music should be free. But I shouldn't be expected to keep buying the same thing over and over. Music is a collectible, not a commodity like milk. If the industry can only comprehend a license to listen model, then we should go directly to the musician and buy a actual product directly from them. They would reap much more benefit from such a system anyway and we could all sleep with a clear conscience that we supported the creators of the content we enjoy and still have our freedom to enjoy the product.
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