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Microsoft's rival search engine apparently has so upset Google co-founder Sergey Brin that he has top engineers working on "urgent upgrades," according to the New York Post.
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Google Earth can show you the area from the info gleaned from Wikipedia.
Then you can go to Google Maps and type in K2, click on streetcar view, see the summit, etc (just playing). Have a good day.
Google has struggled to give credibility to the illusion it created by filtering out most of the links its crawlers find. How can you justify saying PageRank is a measure of quality when the very links it is supposed to be counting are mostly ignored?
Google's search results are increasingly less satisfying for searchers because Google has sacrificed relevance in favor of link-rich sites.
BING is a breath of fresh air in a search industry that has forgotten what the Web really is all about. If Google wants to pull its fat out of the fire, it needs to focus on relevance, not link wealth.
And Microsoft has been taking "market share" away from Google on an incremental basis for nearly two years. The current market share metrics this article obliquely refers to are based on an obsolete methodology, counting number of queries performed (essentially page views). The Web marketing industry has all-but abandoned that concept in favor of measuring conversions. Search marketing metrics need to focus on conversions, too.
Search Conversions occur when people find what they are looking for. Major search engines like Google, Ask, Yahoo!, and Microsoft now routinely promote their own content in search results, siphoning off traffic from the rest of the searchable Web. These internal search conversions need to be broken out from external search conversions, where search engines actually send traffic to other sites.
That metric would tell us a great deal about the real state of the search engine market.
I think Bing is the better "Search" tool.
I wonder if Yahoo and Excite trolls were bothering Google users when they wrote that they liked Google more...
Alex
But I've tried to like Bing and honestly, it doesn't give the expected results when you search for specific names and businesses.
People will say, "oh but vanity name searches are not good, blah blah blah...." but if Bing can't find your own name, or the the name of movies and commercials you've made, or the production companies involved, that exist in the internets, then, well, one has to wonder WHAT it CAN find. No?
Just because I like Bing doesn't mean everyone else should like Bing. Like all things it's a personal choice. I used to Love Yahoo until Google came along. Google put a nice fork in that. Love Yahoo communities. Honestly I think they are the best on the web. But Google search was better. And when you want to find something, well, you tend to gravitate towards what works best for you.
I think Bing is pretty darn sharp so far.
Someone else mentioned they didn't want to install SilverLight so forget it. Well, I happen to think SilverLight is fine. And I see we get video previews in the search now. Okay, so obviously that's why SilverLight is needed. But jez, you can choose not to install it and the search will still work for heaven's sake. You just won't get the video previews.
Actually, I don't have Silverlight on my netbook, I'll try this out and see how that goes. See if my CPU can handle it.
Alex
Don't know yet. Although, Bing returns classified results and has a superb background on the homepage. It's involving.
Simply put, before Bing, we had no choice. As a matter of habit, I never used yahoo for searching except for local attractions and movies.
I started using Bing, since it became public. Put BING as my default on IE and Firefox. Even changed Firefox homepage to Bing.com.
It was awkward initially, but can't complain about it after having used it for more than a week.
I has don't see any urge of going back to google for my day to day searches.
Earlier I was skeptical, if Bing can provide me result on technical stuff etc. well Bing isn't bad. Though still I might go back to Google.
So in a nutshell, I am loving my new experience.
cheers
Who cares? Apple, Orange or grapefruit. The story is about MS Bing vs Google search; not about Apple or anything "i"
Some of us forget that the Internet is just 20 years old and we take the rapid development for granted. In the next five years we'll be talking about the same subjects, except that technology will multiple a thousand folds by then. Think IPV6 and have a nice day configuring it; while you are at it, give me a few pointers.
Your statements are entirely inaccurate. Any authoritative tone just makes you look like a fool.
Please allow other to discuss here and @ != Alex, just don't respond.
Thank you.
Leave the search engine to Google. They do a much better job!
I have a few web sites that get a lot of traffic. 75% of the traffic comes from Google and second it is direct traffic. Bing, Yahoo, and others make up the remainder. I have seen a rapid decline in Bing referrals after the first week, even though I still rank highly in Bing as I did the first week.
So this says to me that the first week of Bing was mainly traffic from people who were curious. They have now returned to their old ways, i.e., Google.
I think it's a question of choice vs necessity.
Statistically most end users originally making use of the internet were at most times when google first entered the scene only really making use of search engines to solve problems. In 1998 social networking was not really that big and bloging was far less main stream than it is today. So basically your average user was mostly using a few basic internet services.
At the times both server bandwidth and user bandwidth was more limited too with most people connecting in via phone lines. This meant that the types of groups who were at that time really making full use of search engines were data mining groups in industry and Internet enthusiasts not most people. This meant that for those early Search engine users it was ok to trawl through large data intensive for the day websites like Lycos, Altavista, and webcrawler. However for your averaged user usually then with a phone line was simply looking for help about a technical issues with Microsoft windows a lot of the time using these Search services was more of a chore and Google was there up and running with good reasonable results to sift through far quicker than the competitors.
Bing on the Other hand has a harder task. People are familiar and on the whole satisfied with the Google engine so they have to entice and keep the users by making them want Bing as their Choice whereas when Google entered the scene it was a choice of googling something or using a less instant and sometimes more long winded sets of results.
So Google was the first good quick fire search Result system and everyone else to get a piece has to now out google Google.
Microsoft does have things to offer that google doesn't.
The majority of the user base although mostly wanting their system to work do tend to buy good powerful PC's and not simply more dummy like internet terminals.
Microsoft has alongside others been building for years with these type of power to the individual system software types in mind. Google on the other hand has not with It's most personal system intensive google app being google earth.
Think about it Chrome doesn't need powerful individual units to run well IE 8 does and works that way round. Inevitably this is where Microsoft and others are strong Although many users have commented on how Microsoft does seem to bloat their apps and make them slow on older machines , Windows has made improvements in it's code based but still is not the most efficient but has moved some aspects in the kernel engine ahead of the pack but not other aspects.
In other words Bing will not lightly directly out google google but if they play their cards right Bing could eat into a reasonable chunk and use that user base to promote web services and computer apps more in tradition with the Microsoft model .
GNU and other ventures however have in some areas more room to do things with like for example in their ability to offer free internet services that can be profited on in different ways to direct product sales.
For example In a few years at current broadband rates GNU could move into gear a TVU live player like P2P Broadcast service that is not dependent on Microsoft for it's video codec offering good picture quality for low data rates like 380 to 480Kb/s via Theora or Dirac codecs making money by helping Broadcast groups use the technology well. Microsoft on the other hand being less connected to the creative commons and more the propitiatory would find such services harder to make use of and would be limited more to server broadcast streaming and more basic windows to windows video conferencing.
Also Unix is more exostensable than windows but windows has the lead in inter-threading potentials no OS type to date has much potential for intra-threading though although using Streaming or small network cores in the future could allow both Windows and Unix to work up to it with R&D into Multi Microkernel environments (IBM are the closest) and even if State of the Art Quantum Processing units were then integrated it would still be some time before good Environmentally driven Processes Instance Exploitation would be a reality.
Why would you want Intra threading for AI perceptive reasoning or remodeling maths extension types to standard FFT type analysis techniques (code like that would know what you want before you did).
Oh and why would you want Environmentally driven Processes Instance Exploitation. If you were working with Building technology in gas or particles in space or wanted to fly or transport along Degrees of Quantum connectivity and flux then pre-emptive or reduced linearised modeling methods would leave you very limited.
Microsoft would love you to think so.
It is Google vs everyone else.
Bing is one player among many and Yahoo is still bigger than them.
Musil writes:
"However, that initial increase didn't impress Google CEO Eric Schmidt, who was pretty tight-lipped earlier this week when queried about Bing's arrival."
But Musil has no idea whether Eric Schmidt was impressed, he only knows his public reaction. The public responses of public figures, including business leaders and politicians, are often at odds with what they actually believe. Furthermore, that Schmidt was "pretty tight-lipped" is no indication at all of how impressed he was.
The search results are almost as good as Google.
Googlers, you're looking at the wrong place. It's not the algorithms, it's the DESIGN.
A page can look as good as you want it to but with out a good engine it's doomed, A good algorithm using a poor layout has more chance if someone sorts the design faults out and can be licensed and sold far more so than simply a design. Mind you with out decent Hardware and engineers you won't get anywhere in trying to odder a popular service. So what's most important as with most things in industry is having the right workforce and backing and secondly but still very very important good managment.
- by tdoyle9700 June 14, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
- Totally agree with jeffgtr60. I tried both for the same searches as I needed to over the last week. Google provided the most relevant information on the first page. I was not searching for shoes, hats, hotes, or vacation locations it was work related obscure stuff. I know I am probably not the target market of MS based on that however, java related searches reference coffee or .NET thats not good.
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- by t8 June 14, 2009 7:04 PM PDT
- .net showing up for Java shows bias. I have also noticed biased results in other keywords.
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- by camel2009 June 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
- Have you counted how many ads per page from your google search when you are not searching for shoes, hats, hotels, or vacation locations? Most of my searches with google on technical issues brought zero ads.
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Showing 2 of 5 pages (183 Comments)Not good as you say, and I think if Microft dominated search, they would point results to themselves whenever possible.
For this reason among others, I hope Google stay on top.