Comments on: Windows 7 beta 1 makes early debut

Apparently leaked copies of Microsoft's forthcoming operating system pop up on torrent trackers.

[JCCox]

Hmmm. Is this microsoft playing catch up again? Everyone knows that Mac OS has the best interface and MS did a pretty poor job trying to clone it for Vista (which is a disaster story in itself).

Microsoft has to realise that fancy graphics and trademarks (Aero?) are all good and well, but what users want is a fast, stable operating system, not a clunky animated one.

[iertry]

JCCox is right. Vista had some cool UI things going on but overall the OS was terrible and the UI isn't going to fix a bad OS.

It drove me to mac and I don't think Microsoft will ever get me back. lol

[D3vildog699]

Ur an idiot JCCox... MAC OS has the best interface.. sure if your five...

/nuff' said

[Penguinisto]

Actually, the UI looks a whole lot like a highly modified KDE.

Weird...

[rnaoncfixd]

D3vildog699
"sure if your five..."

Your five what? You're keeping me in suspense; I must know what it is.

[Someone-else]

Right, people should give more importance to performance and usability than to appearance. Hey, wait... isn't it exactly to opposite Apple has been doing?
Windows is not bad, it's just stereotyped by people who believe "Hi I'm a Mac... and I'm a PC" ads.

[Brian]

While Microhoo did create a fancy UI that is (dare I say) more appealing than the Mac OS X, the core operating system itself is severely flawed.

I switched to the Mac as an alternative to Vista -- in other words, I avoided Vista like a virus.

While I do have some gripes about the Mac, the overall experience is positive and that is what matters to me as a consumer.

[thelemurking]

@iertry

Please explain why Vista is a terrible OS? I've had absolutely no problems with it. In fact the only issue I had was with Nvidia drivers which bluescreened on me, but I can't fault Microsoft or Vista for an Nvidia failure. I rarely shutdown or reboot my Vista machines.

Granted you get better performance if you stop a lot of junk and services from running at startup... but I've been very happy with Vista.

I'm just wondering how many people took the time to really use Vista before crying about how awful it was. XP was the same way when it came out.

As for the original poster... leave it to a MacIntard to troll on the very first post.

[cheese3915]

hey JCCOX, how come all i ever see is mac people hating on pc's? Why are you reading this article? you claim that mac osx is sooooo great, so why would you even waste your time looking at ms products? r u jealous? Its always the mac people hating on the pc people, there is definately a reason...

[paulsecic]

Windows 7 won't be out until 2010 if they're lucky.

[YankeePoodle]

JCCox is another MacFanBot.

Cheers,
- a Mac Book Pro owner using OS X and windows

[this1!]

is it me, or does that taskbar vaguely resemble kde taskbars...

[sharmajunior]

The taskbar does resemble KDE taskbars. I haven't had the chance to see it in person but from the looks of it from the picture it seems to be the same. I think the only difference is that this taskbar is gonna have thumbnail images on it which the KDE doesn't (Kde instead has the option of having mutiple desktops). The multiple desktop ability is provided by Ati as a part of their software package on high end cards. I am not sure about Nvidia as I have never owned one.

I guess they'll enlarge the taskbar and place live preview images on it just like in OSX.

[jandler]

Actually, it kinda looks like the task bar in windows 1.01

[NErancher]

And to those who don't know how KDE can look.

http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=PCLinuxOS%202007

Of course it is highly customizable and can look differently.

But yes, at the moment, this screen shot does resemble KDE.

[Penguinisto]

Not just you - it looks a LOT like someone tweaked around with KDE and got that look.

[Darryl Snortberry]

ok it looks like kde. how about a linux based os looks attempt to duplicate microsoft's success in creating a platform third parties will develop applications for.

[Vegaman_Dan]

If it works, then that's not a bad thing, unless you don't like KDE's taskbar approach.

[Penguinisto]

I'm a GNOME fan, myself, though I find myself using Fluxbox when I'm in a minimalist mood.

That said, dude - this thing reeks of KDE. All it would need to complete the look would be the virtual desktop switching widget in the lower right-hand corner next to the taskbar clock.

[cnelson08]

if its just sitting still it may look like KDE but i am using it now and what looks like the enlarged quick launch is actually all you see of the running apps. no more labels just icons of them. much cleaner and MUCH better than KDE from what i've seen so far.

[DrtyDogg]

A virtual taskbar switching applet like the one from XP?

[bonesbautista]

Being a Mac/XP user, I can't comment on Vista but for I'm skipping it. Note to MS: make a low-BS version - all of the engineering and architectural firms skipped Vista and want something that just frickin works, without the glitz.

My 2 cents.

[The1egend]

I'm a Mac/Vista user. Vista is a little bit of an upgrade over XP (I have Home Premium, went up from XP Pro). The 64-bit capabilities are nice, but other than my large amounts of RAM, I don't use much other 64-bit capability. The Media Center is awesome. I use it just like a TiVo, only with far more storage and capabilities. All told though, although I enjoy Vista, OSX is easier and more intuitive to use. I like them both though.

[ncalishome]

I think 64 bit is the key... I run Mac/Vista 64 and Vista is far more stable than OS X running on the same hardware. Mostly seems like 3rd party applications: Firefox, Eclipse (programming IDE), and a few other tools I use for my work crash practically daily on OS X and very rarely on Vista. OS X tends to completely lock up (Dock icons sometimes mid-bounce) at least once a week and I have yet to reboot Vista except for the occasional update that requires it. I tend to switch back and forth from project to project a lot and have high hopes for the next Mac OS (as I much prefer the Unix environment), mainly that applications won't crash so much...and more good tools that are free like their Windows counterparts. I know lots of Mac users and know I'm not alone with application stability, and people I know with XP or 32 bit Vista don't seem to have the same great experience I do.

[mattumanu]

@ncalishome

I use XP all the time. I run tons of 3rd party apps that never crash. In fact, the only 3rd party app I've ever had crash on me was Audacity 1.3, which is still in beta itself and is not considered to be stable in some circumstances.

I don't understand what I'm hearing about Vista and OSX. Why should there be any crashing at all? When someone says "stable" and "crash" in the same sentence I can't help but wonder.

[BigGuns149]

All the engineering and architectural firms hated Vista because it broke compatibility with their VERY expensive software. With the high price on SolidWorks and other high end design application who can blame them for wanting to squeeze as many years out of their current version before upgrading to a newer version?

Vista could looked like Windows 2000 and had similarly low overhead, but if it broke compatibility with their applications they wouldn't care what improvements Vista made. Compatibility issues made Vista a non-starter for these firms.

[Wei_Zhu]

@The1egend,

I think your comments were objective. I am however curious about your comments on 64 bit capabilities. When you said that "The 64-bit capabilities are nice, but other than my large amounts of RAM, I don't use much other 64-bit capability", what do you expect of 64 bit capabilities other than handing large amount of RAM?

[bonesbautista]

Chiming in again....

@The1legend - Vista isn't an upgrade to me, it's a workflow disruption. I'm not the IT guy, I'm the owner of the engineering firm. The OS update offers a dearth of compatible drivers, a paucity of IT pros that will work with it, and a bunch of uncertified applications. The time you took for your upgrade - now, multiply that by 100 for my workstations, and I'm just talking about the time to perform the upgrade - then there's dealing with Autodesk's license support for every single workstation, training and troubleshooting for every employee, hosting either a virtual workspace or workstation for one or more XP workstations that will not run on Vista - and the "Home" version isn't an option in the workplace. My post was about A/E workplace, not entertainment room in my house...

If Autodesk ported Autocad, Buzzsaw, Revit, and a couple of their 3D apps to the Mac OS (which will never happen) - I'd still make the same argument for XP, use it until it's no longer functional or supported, then port. It's business, not happy-fun time.

[Kalam1ty]

Actually, being a Computer Science Engineering student, I can tell you that most engineers greatly prefer vista. A good example of when vista would be easier to use than XP would be this afternoon as I helped my cousin move some un-protected .m4a files into her iTunes library (horrible program, avoid it at all costs). There were so many problems, I had to do it manually through her ipod's harddrive, but it always names the songs with an unrelated 4-letter filename. However, some of the tagging information shows up in iTunes, as well as the name, and as I was shifting through the folders trying to match songs through files (and eventually searching through them with the clunky XP search solution), I found myself surprisingly angry that I couldn't just click up in the corner of the explorer window and type in whatever the hell I want and have it come up meer milliseconds later, complete with pathname. It's got great debugging integration with VisualStudio too. I'm sure there are better examples of why we like Vista better, but it's really just because almost everything is easier. Can't blame you for skipping it though. I would be holding out for Win7. Hell, I'd be running the beta if I didn't only have one laptop to rely on. It's already rock-stable!

[aka_tripleB]

I didn't know stores sold Betas. I know that's not what it's meant to say, but that's totally how it reads.

[Dalmatian28]

Come on people....most of this junk will be customizable later, right now all that it matters is what the OS offers (options) and the its performance. I can care less what the stupid OS looks like. Give me open, stable platform and I will customize it and make it my own. That is all that it matters to me! When you combine this OS with i7 CPU, SSD and DDR5...hell yeahh. I would bet you that most of the negative comments regarding the new OS will come from Apple's "Zombies" and uneducated writers that know nothing about technical side of any OS and the only think that they can talk about is how it looks!

[D3vildog699]

I like you...

Personally i like use Vista, and customize it a little. Meh, i use it as a media comp so i'm more worried about that, although a new UI might be cool :p

If i want customization, i got to my Linux laptop, just switched back to 8.10 had a spare laptop... and its alot easier to do...

as for apple... if you want customization, im sure there are stickers for your computer case? am i right?? course, they will have to be apple approved first...

[AlexTheCProgrammer]

Man, i know what ur talking about. I use Linux and thats where you get a stable platform and true control of operating system.
According to what i read about windows 7 the platform is gonna be lighter and more stable so i'm looking forward to see whether its true or not. (I'm not gonna give up linux for windows 7 anyways)

[logictrap]

Apple get's kudos for successfully convincing the masses that Vista sucks even though it's not true. The media in it's usual 'tell them what they want hear' mode has done little to be objective and just simply keeps running stories of people whining which are mostly due to trying to run Vista on an old pc with 512k of ram.. The reality is that Vista is much better than XP and most users agree XP is good OS.

The media gives Apple a free pass when they state 'Intel is an inferior platform with limited life' then switch to the intel platform. Which by the way means every Mac user that wants to stay current must:

1. Buy a brand new Apple computer which by coincidence is only available from Apple. And just by chance Apple PC's are usually twice the price of an equivalent Windows system.

2. Repurchase all applications.

This is not to say that Apple makes bad products but their level of greed, monopolistic strategies and vicious marketing practices are a perfect example everything wrong with corporate America. Mac enthusiasts hate MS so much they ignore Apples horrifying business practices.

It mirrors our politics of aligning with Saddam to control Iran - look where that got us. Yes, I did just just compare Apple to Saddam ;-)

[Inconnux]

Lol I tried vista on a system with 4gb of ram and a high end video card... it still SUCKED. I hate the interface with a passion. Very few of the programs I use can run on it and lets not talk about the absolutely horrible backwards compatibility. XP is FAR better OS and you couldn't pay me for the frustration of working with Vista. Damn I would use WinME before vista... Ive been using Windows since version 3.1 and I have never hated an OS more than Vista.

I have always hated apple with a passion but with the direction Microsoft is going my next system will be a mac... Congratulations microsoft you have driven away another customer to the competition

[ncalishome]

@Inconnux What's an application you can't run on Vista? I have not found a single one that I used on XP that doesn't work on Vista-- although I've heard they exist. I run Vista x64 on a Mac tower (2x2.8ghz Xeon) with 4gb of ram and 3 20" screens and it runs really great, as snappy as OS X on this same box anyways. Using XP now feels like going back to 3.1

[D3vildog699]

Sure it wasn't bad Hardware? Maybe a virus? I run Vista on 2GB of ram with no issues... ever...

I do agree that XP is more stable, but it has more field time, like 6 plus years out, and three Service packs, of course its more stable. Its been tested in the field.

Are you aware of just how many thousands of applications are made for windows? and If one of those apps isn't coded right it can cause the whole system to collapse? But of course if that happens its instantly MS fault? Cause no program in the history of computers have ever crashed on a Mac?

Are you aware of just how many drivers a windows computer would need to run EVERY piece of hardware out there? Compare to apple and its "See spot Run" compared to "War and Peace" ... well not REALLY i just like both of those books... :D

Stop blaming MS when 90% of the time it isn't their fault. Course that whole IE exploit thing.. whew makes me glad to use my Firefox... :S

[blobbles32]

I agree with Inconnux, vista sucks big time still.

I use vista on 2 laptops, both high end dual core with 2GB of RAM, 1 for work, 1 for home.

On my home laptop I can't be logged on to two users at once. If I do, the UAC can't seem to comprehend what is going on and as soon as I get a "Do you really want to do this??" window, instead, vista goes belly up and freezes. Vista also doesn't like that I installed some codecs on my machine and grumbles particularly about Direct3D which often it crashes spontaneously (this happens on both laptops).

On my work laptop (I am a programmer), doing office VBA programming used to be a complete nightmare (with crashes 3-5 times a day resulting in a fair bit of lost work) but has got better now to about 3 crashes a week (after SP1 and numerous updates). While an improvement, it still sucks arse. Thank the lord visual studio works well under vista but this seems to be Microsofts strategy - just go for the majority and forget all the little bits around the side that make life easier for non standard users. BAD strategy. I am seriously looking at Linuxing my home machine now, having never thought about it before...

[inverse137]

No, I work in IT...Vista does indeed suck. And that is my professional opinion. It is slower, bloated (damn thing needs 4GB of memory to run!

It is, however, more secure than XP. I have yet to see one get infected.

But, I will take XP with strong IT policies in place over Vista any day. And, as director, I have done just that!

[Jonathan]

Dear inverse137,

You aren't in IT. If you were you would know that, that comment is so full of crap that I can smell it over the net. Vista does NOT need 4 GB of RAM. Hell 32-bit Vista can't even use 4GB of RAM. So please stop it. I'm running Vista on a 1.2Ghz, integrated graphics, 2GB RAM tablet and it is fine.

[Renegade Knight]

The reality is XP is better than Vista for stability and "Just working".
Vista has a better interface. It's superoirity stops there until they get it to "just work" as well as XP does.

Even if XP took time to get there, MS needs to stand behind Vista until Vista is 'there' as well. Not just jump to 7 and hope we like buying "Vista that works" in the form of 7 when we already paid for it with Vista.

[putworescamming]

Windows 7 IS JUST ANOTHER WINDOWS. I WILL NEVER EVER USE MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS SOFTWARE. FROM WINDOWS TO VISTA, THEY ONLY ENVELOPE THE BUGS WITH ANOTHER AND HIDE IT INSIDE WHICH MAKES THE OS AS BIG AS THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WHICH TAKES 24 HOURS TO BOOT UP. NEVER AGAIN AND NEVER FOR VIRUSES AGAIN.

THE ONLY WAY, MICROSOFT WILL SUCCESS OR DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE IS TO COMPLETELY ABANDON WINDOWS AND REWRITE FROM SCRATCH USING LINUX NOT ANY STUPID BILL GATES PROPRIETARY... SORRY, BILL, BUT YOU ARE PASSE..... YOU ARE DONE ALREADY....

WELCOME OSX THE BEST OS AND SO BEAUTIFUL. I CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT MAC. THANK YOU OSX AND THE VERY VERY BEST STEVE JOBS..

[goodspeed8701]

Hey ***... The its apple that is a failure. If you have common sense you will know what i am saying. Apple has been vista has more installation than OSX and come to think of it. Windows 7 will suprise you and apple cos there will be nothing to say about it but WoW.

[Marchioly_Torma]

Is this sarcasm or a troll? I can't tell.

[roleeb]

I think someone didn't take his medication today! I'm happy you like Mac, I personally like Windows, I am PC!

[rapier1]

Caps off pally. As for building a new OS on top of Linux... There are some advantages to that but if you are going to write from the ground up why not actually build a new OS instead of repackaging someone's leftovers. Unix is a fine and solid family of operating systems but really there are more advanced kernels coming out of the various labs which would provide a better foundation.

[D3vildog699]

Screw Drinking the kool aid.. this guy is snorting the stuff...

[AlexTheCProgrammer]

Dude, this remind me of lamers' talks, which is most likely true. My advice is: sometimes people have to go deeper in their analysis and NOT WrITe IN SUcH a WEiRD WAY IN CAPITALS! If you're such a fan of mac then say: "First of all, mac has this and that which is better than this and that in vista and so forth". If you cant do it, dont shout out that its better cuz a professional can list the features that are way better in vista than in mac and you'll have nothing to reply, even if mac is better.
And i hope that content of ur next post will not match your username...

[rkinne01]

"I CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT MAC."

Try living without caps lock.

[krushyou]

Its an operating system for god sakes, not a long lost love, you need help quick....

[drummer51689]

This person sure is annoying.... just try to ignore this post people. I've seen it before on other comments...

drummer

[mattumanu]

>>THE ONLY WAY, MICROSOFT WILL SUCCESS OR DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE <<

I IS BEING SUCCESS AND MICROSOFT WILL SUCCESS OR DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE WHEN YOU UNCAP YOU KEYBOARD OK!

[Prince2k3]

I say who cares as long as it works... and vista didn't work. whoever says it had no problem wasn't one of the first people to buy it. Yeah now it works but why fall for something that microsoft constantly does and that is release a subpar product and patch it later.

[rapier1]

Actually I had very few problems with VIsta and I'd been using it since the first betas. Of course, I didn't expect a 4 year old video card that was no longer supported by the manufacturer to give me Aero. I did have some issues with a replacement Nvidia card but that was entirely due to Nvidia not bothering to write drivers that didn't suck. I had much bigger problem with OS X 10.1 and didn't really feel like OS X was a good and stable OS until late in the 10.3 cycle.

[Prince2k3]

well I was using a laptop as opposed to desktop. Microsoft touted vista as laptop friendly when it wasn't. My laptop was by no means slow and was pretty new with the vista compatible mark on it.

[Jonathan]

Ummm Prince2k3. You do realize that if you take Vista out of your post and replace it with XP that was EXACTLY what went on in fall of '01 when XP came out. XP was JUST as bad as Vista. But everyone loves to forget that part. Of course a 7 year old OS is going to rock. They have had 7 years to put out patches and SP's.

[Renegade Knight]

Bingo. I wish they would fix Vista instead of trying to sell me 7 as "What Vista should have been!".

[Marchioly_Torma]

I look forward to Windows 7. The pre-betas are solid. The taskbar is actually useful, and I don't find anything counter-intuitive about it.

Go enjoy your Mac OS X. I'll enjoy my Windows. Can't we all get along? It's just a damn operating system, after all. It's not going to cure cancer, nor will it peel your potatoes for you.

[SteveMcQwark]

Didn't you know? Linux can peel potatoes for you, and it's almost got the curing cancer thing down... jk but at least it (usually) doesn't eat your children... unless you want it too, that is. Neither does OS X, for that matter. Vista isn't all that bad either really, though, for some reason, Vista becomes non-productive during updates, something that doesn't happen on Linux (not sure about OS X, I've never noticed it) and Virus/spyware/malware scans are time consuming wastes of resources that are completely unnecessary on other platforms. Oh well, here's to hopes that Win7 will bring a brighter future to Windows users everywhere.

[inverse137]

I have serious concerns about the number of people commenting on the new "layout." Vista's flaws are not in its appearance but the actual kernel.

You have requested that you wish to make this post? Continue?

You have indicated that you wish to continure. Are you sure?

Are you really sure you are sure?

[MDodd73]

Well stated. I also look forward to Windows 7, but indeed, to each his own. I had Vista (briefly on a loaner laptop for a month while mine was getting a new HD) and it was fine with 3GB of RAM and all up-to-date drivers, etc. I grunmbled only about the new UI, as I did the Office 2007 ribbon) but who cares about that. A small learning curve is fine.

I've been reading the last 2 article on Win7 and I've been wildly entertained by the comments (which is not something I do often, so this is a compliment to all parties involved). You'd think this was the battle between good and evil.

[Sausagebiscuit]

inverse137: What does the kernel have to do with UAC asking for permission to continue? Sounds like to me you don't know what the kernel does. Perhaps you can list some of the things that are flaws in the Vista kernel? When you get back from reading Wikipedia, it is easier to just copy and paste a reply instead of trying to spell big words like "continure".

[gabeheim]

SteveMcQwark: Actually, of the three OS's referenced here, Linux as it stands now will probably play a larger part in curing many types of cancer (if we get there) than any of the others. While I am not too familiar with the biomed fields, Linux is huge in clustering/distributed computing (well, besides windows botnets, they are pretty huge as well), so it's more likely to see an active role in gene sequencing and all the other biomed research.

Also, if you want the potato peeler, nothing is stopping you from developing the hardware and drivers/management software in Linux :). Of course, if you want a potato peeler for a large factory environment, such as Ore-ida's plant, you might want to look into an RTOS, such as vxworks or integrity, or at least apply the realtime linux patch.

[Kalam1ty]

@ inverse137

I think you should know that the nag screen is not only for your safety, but also as a kick in the pants aimed right at bad developers. It only comes up when your application hasn't been signed correctly or if the program is trying to access system files with permissions that could screw up your computer, ala the Eve incident (if your not familiar, this popular gaming title decided to wreak havoc with the boot.ini file in an update and kept everyone's computer from booting). Your time is better spent yelling at developers that are excessively accessing protected resources.

[Mark_Anderson]

Amazing the number of comments from Mac users who probably will never even use Windows 7.

I'm glad you like your product but, seriously, no-one really cares.

[D3vildog699]

Amen

[CanadianKat]

Well, I don't know about you, but I get stuck using Windows products at work... so... Until I convince my employers to go with Linux (haha, fat chance), I think we Apple users can still comment on Windows.

[Mark_Anderson]

So, CanadianKat, when did you last use Windows 7?

Hmm?

[CanadianKat]

Mark_Anderson: The point is not whether or not I personally have used Windows 7. I think most people here, including Windows users, haven't used Windows 7, unless they're feelthy pirates, in which case, Macs can install Windows too. The point isn't that my opinion is particularly educated, it's that Mac people can have opinions just as much as MS people, since most of us will have to use Windows 7 at some point... unless what you're really saying is that Windows 7 will not make it to corporate computers, and no one will bother installing it to their Mac because it'll never be relevant enough. In which case, break out the champagne, I'm celebrating! (Well, okay, I'm not, because I don't really want MS to die, I just want MS to have real competition, whether that comes in the form of OSX, Linux, or something even better. I guess I would like it to have a lower market share than the others combined, but that's still different than wanting it dead.)

tldr: There are very few Mac users out there who "will never even use Windows 7" unless Widows 7 fails.

[Kalam1ty]

@ CanadianKat

To be perfectly honest, OSX can't provide honest competition for windows because it's locked down tighter than a vault in a swiss bank. It's just not flexible enough. Should Apple wish to provide some real competition, they need to be more inclusive. I don't think many of us really have anything against Apple (except for that god-awful iTunes program, practically unusable if you want to do anything remotely technical), in fact I really like using OSX for math homework because the calculator is more accessable and the university computers have maple 12 installed, it's the over-blown, nonsensical fanaticism that has been exemplified in above posts from Jobs Fanbois that gets on our nerves.

[Spanwite]

Hoo Hoo Hoo, Christmas is over. Everyone still has a job, and a roof over your head?
And the same Circus all over again, did you reserve your spot in the line at your Computer Store for next Christmas!
To be the first again!?! to buy a new Computer with the newest and best Windows ever.

Microsoft biggest years are over! No matter what they do, the market share is going down.

[D3vildog699]

"To be the first again!?! to buy a new Computer with the newest and best Windows ever."


Funny coming from a guy who prolly has an apple computer...

[kamaboko!]

Yeah, I'm sure MS is worried about their 90+% market share. Get a life.

[contentcreator--2008]

I use Windows and OS X all the time and have always thought the OS X taskbar was one of it's weakest and least convenient features --- hard to find running apps and switch among different windows of the same app. Unfortunately it seems that Vista is moving more towards OS X --- can't say I'm happy about that. (Now if OS X would just lose that appallingly outdated single menu bar ....)

[francovillanueva_27]

r u joking?... that is the most convinient feature there!!!

[anonymous500r]

Totally agree. Why is there the Command+Tab thing for switching applications but the Command + ` thing doesn't work for all applications? Makes no sense.

[TechnoMan475392]

I used to think that, but after messing around with my brother's latest-gen macbook the multi-touch trackpad makes it easier. I also use Windows and OS X all the time, but personally I just like windows. I think that macs have iLife, which is nice, but I have been a vista advocate from the beginning and have only had a couple issues, which were of my doing and not MS's fault. Needless to say, I will be one of the first in line to get 7, and am downloading it right now!

[Spanwite]

D3vildog699,
No I never had anything else as Windows, and no plans to change that.

But, I'm sarcastic and like to ******** on windows wonder ;-)
Windows is just not anymore the only game in town, that's all, 95% market share is over for ever.
In Europa Explorer is under 60% now.
People like to have to use different hardware and software, what's wrong with that?
I skip Vista, maybe, properly, next one, but I will sure wait until at least 1/2year after it came out.
Your world is ok again :-)

[D3vildog699]

Haha ok, i was like Sheesh....

Im not a fanboi of MS by any means. Lol

Just saying

[HlLLARY CLITON]

why do people keep comparing Mac OS and Windows....apples and oranges

[SpiritWater]

No Apples and PCs.



There's just too many people that are still bitter about Microsoft borrowing the look-and-feel of MacOS back with Windows 95. This is the case even though Apple and Microsoft had buried the hatchet in the late 90's with cross-licensing of their proprietary wares.



Forget the Windows and Mac OS comparison. That's old news. Look at what Google is doing with their awesome Chrome browser. If that's any indication of what an OS from Google (Android - yeah I know) will be like then I may dump OSX and Windows for the Goggle OS (GOS).


[Edited to remove prohibited spam.]

[putworescamming]

And what plaform will you use to run chrome ? You still need a platform to run it and its currently windows or osx. Cloud app still its infancy. I would love Google to develop something not dependent upon on any OS on the local platform to run Chrome. Like a chrome bootstrap.

[HeavyJim]

Good, need a new computer about the time 7 is due.

[putworescamming]

VERY GLAD GOT RID OF WINDOWS 10 YEARS AGO. NEVER USED IT EVER SINCE... REPOSITORY OF VIRUSES AND BUGS... JUST GIVE GIVE IT UP !!!! A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY CANT EVEN GET IT RIGHT !!! F****ER ! RIP OFF....

[krushyou]

When your OS has 90% of the marketshare let me know how stable it is then...

FYI, OSX was the first operating system hacked in the black hat competition
Took getting into Vista a bit longer and Linux could not be cracked.

[Seaspray0]

BUT U DIDNT GET RID OF CAP LOCK... REPOSITORY OF ANNOYANCE. TURN OFF THE F***ER YOU RIP OFF 10 YEARS AGO. RIGHT!!!

[realneil]

Windows 7 may be a good thing. I hope they test it until the cows come home though. Vista was a pain in the rear until the service pack came out,...then all of a sudden it's working flawlessly for me on two systems. I have an UBUNTU box that works flawlessly too. And the system that I use for my most important data is an iMac. I believe that the Vista boxes are now stable enough to trust my data to, finally. I game with the Vista boxes mostly, and I'm very happy with the way that they work lately,....both are Quad-Core and Vista 64 bit, one with 16GB of ram, and the other has 8 GB. Both have HD4870 Radeon cards and they're tons of fun. I think that everyone's product is coming around these days,....and each OS has it's benefits too. My iMac can burn a DVD so fast it would make your head spin,........the PC's do Crysis just as smooth as a baby's butt!
I Like them all, for varying reasons,....................

[allanmejia]

Ok, i think i had enough!, I have yet to hear someone to say all of the benefits of Mac OS X over XP/Vista/Windows 7, and I'm not talking about stability, I will get to that, all i hear is Vista sucks and MS is evil, Lets be clear here.

First of lets talk about facts;

Virus Attacks

Windows : Microsoft controls roughly 90% of the market

Mac OS X : Apple has 10% (not including the rest Linux etc...)

If I'm a virus writer or a hacker, who would I go for?, of course apple is not worrying, they are the minority! so they are not being attacked, hence the need for antivirus on windows, we need to protect ourselfs, not to mention that Microsoft is now planning on delivering virus and spyware protection free of charge comes mid 2009.

Stability

Windows : Microsoft is a Software Developer, and it depends on its partners to create drivers for their hardware and other devices, therefore, there are thousands of different types of PC configurations, specially PCs build by the owners (Clones) such as myself! (I like to have control of my hardware, something apple does not allow), so if Vista/Windows 7 crashes due to a poor written driver or code, who is to blame? Microsoft? NOT!!!

Mac OS X : Apple is a hardware manufacturer company, they have full control on what is in their hardware, of course OS X is going to be more stable! there is no doubt about that (even known i have seen OS X crash several times on a Mac i used to own)

About XP being more stable than Vista, well, remember when XP was first release back in 2001?, apparantly not, XP had so many security holes and was very unstable, gez, Microsoft had to stop development on Vista to create the Service Pack 2!!!, XP is more stable NOW because of the time that has been out in the wild, however, Vista is far more secure than when XP was release, yes it had compatibility problems (I did have those issues) but that was because of the developers not having drivers ready for it, now that is history, Vista works without a problem on my PC.

Software

Can anyone explain why Microsoft develops software for OS X?, lets mention the big one; OFFICE, out of all the people I know that owns a Mac has MS Office running on them, yes, Apple has some cool software, but are we going to see iLife on Windows?, not even in our dreams (and please do not mention Safary and iTunes for windows, they run horrible and not because of windows!), however there are thousands of software solutions available and being develop by hundreds of companies out there!!!, and they are far more accessible than Mac.

Microsoft is doing the right thing with Windows 7, it is a complete overhaul tweaked for performance and stability, compatibility should not be an issue as it used the same WDM (Windows Driver Model) as Vista, hence, if it works on Vista it works on Windows 7.

Peace,

Allan

[realneil]

Let's get real here,....windows (XP or Vista) right out of the box is not even close to secure. You have to add a gazillion updates, service packs, and supporting software programs to achieve a normal level of protection.
AdAware, Spybot Search and Destroy, ThreatFire, AVAST!, Kaspersky, the list of programs designed to protect windows installations is miles long! Yeah, they have market share that they jealously protect, so that when the virus writing weenies out there do their thing, it's being done to Windows Vista and XP. It's relentless too. It never ends. Other companies and their security software exist because MS products are released and a few days later, everyone's in their 'knickers'.
I said earlier that my two Vista boxes are secure and that I trust my data on them now. But I have multiple third party programs installed to achieve this level of security and protection. MS software alone doesn't do this. It never has, and that makes one wonder if it ever will.
In 7 years there has never been a security program installed on my iMac. It's never crashed or been hacked or had a virus. Go figure.

[allanmejia]

To realneil on my comment,

If you read my post correctly in reference to security, i was talking about the time vista was released, it offered several layers of protection, one very important one was on IE7 "Protected Mode" and UAC (yes it was very anoying but they are making it better and it is a necessity), so therefore it was more secure when it was released compared to XP on launch date.

One of the main goals for Microsoft was to make Windows Vista more secure, and now on Windows 7 they are going as far as offering free antivirus and spyware on mid 2009(see link "http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10101582-83.html", no one in the right mind will ever say that everything is bullet proof!!!, of course there are updates, you cannot tell me Mac OS X have not have their share of updates themselves!!!.

So yes, I'm being very realistic, I use windows because of the extremely expanded support that it has from a lot of companies and people out there, its no brainer why Microsoft enjoys 90% market share, we cannot all be wrong!!!

If anyone likes to use Mac OS X, then power to them, they have their own reasons, but to support them simply because we HATE the other company and its products for whatever reason, it just does not makes any sense, i do not have anything against Mac OS X or Apple, its just not what i need.

Have a happy new years Realneil :)

Allan

[realneil]

Allen,

Yes, Vista had "user account control" added for security's sake and people felt like it was shoved down their throats. The number one question at the time was, "How do I disable this annoying and intrusive feature of Vista?" Nobody can live with it for long because it's always second guessing your every decision/click of the mouse. My secure systems have UAC turned off,....thank you very much.
Any feature of IE I wouldn't know about because most of us went long ago to FireFox and it's wonderful 'Extensions' to make web surfing easier and far safer. Using IE has been, for years and years, "Like being slowly pecked to death by Chickens". Lot's of us don't use it.
My Windows Vista is secure and it's working wonderfully too. I like it and it's a good operating system,.....with all of my additional security second party software applications onboard.

Take care and have a wonderful New Year yourself!

Neil

[sharmajunior]

On top of all this...I would like to add that Mircosoft is gonna integrate Onecare (Its antivirus all in one) to Windows 7 therefore making it secure to the most basic viruses. I have seen online realtime threat tracking stats for Onecare and they are not that good.

After you have Windows 7, you can add an anitvirus or any other security app (if needed) on top of it to make it more secure.

the reason why MS is adding the Onecare into Windows 7 is because many people around the world can't afford basic antivirus for their computers. (Such as in Brazil where the price of an antivirus software is crazy).

AND for all those people who think that OSX is safe, think again. OSX is a part of Linux. Most of the Internet servers in the world run on LInux. The reason as stated before that OSX seems safe is because of its minority, but don't worry....Viruses are being made or OSX and they are nasty ones I can assure you. SOOOOO...THink Again!

No wonder Apple put a statement telling customers to put antivirus on their computers coz they want to be didn't want to shatter their dreams of living in a virus free world on OSX.

AND NO!! I am not a Apple lover/hater/basher or windows lover/basher/hater. I use whatever works and gets my work done. SUre both OSes have their ups and downs.

[AppleSuxLeo]

Dude , this Jobs guy sold me iLife and then I got like totally big air , I`m so stoked , dude ! NOT !

[rkinne01]

The whole customaztion thing, to me at least, is not a factor. Windows has features that allow you to change the look of the toolbar, desktop, fonts, and other stuff. If the Windows features aren't enough there are plenty of third party programs out there that will alter the interface. The same holds true for OX10 and Linux, you just have to take the time to figure it all out.

[lkmd]

What they need is a doc for applications and folders. Its needs to be really quick and reliable. It needs to prevent shareware , addware, and be virus proof. Oh, I must be copying ApplesOS X. Thats a patent infringement. Never mind...lk

[Sausagebiscuit]

Prevent shareware? What? That's not a form of malware....

Addware? Software that does addition? Sheesh, please think before you post.

ApplesOS X ... you just made some fanboy cry saying it like that.