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Comments on: The hands-free way to steal a credit card

Researcher both reads and decodes an audience member's smart-chip-enabled American Express card without removing it from the wallet.

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by schmidty1985 February 21, 2008 8:37 AM PST
Another for the MAN to track you and get into your personal life.
Just think if everyone had this inserted into them. HEY close that
window, we don't want any more of our rights to fly out it
please!!!!!!
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rf-enabled credit cards are secure
by vanderhr February 21, 2008 11:11 AM PST
I am sure Mr. Laurie is a knowledgable RFID expert, but he is not a credit card expert or a passport expert, so he should be cautious in jumping to conclusions about what a thief can do with the data skimmed from an RFID chip in those two examples, as there are other security controls beyond the RFID chip that prevent bad things from happening in this type of attack. The AMEX credit card data can only be used to commit online fraud if the merchant account does not to ask for the 3 or 4 digit security code which is not stored inside the chip, only on the card itself. If that unlikely event happens, the customer is not liable, the merchant is. Second thing, regarding passports, these are protected with an additional feature called basic access control, so no personal data stored inside a passport can be skimmed in the manner demonstrated.
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intelligence data is intelligence data
by teh_chrizzle February 21, 2008 1:47 PM PST
any data that is broadcast is not secure. any data that is broadcast is intelligence data and intelligence data in the wrong hands is always a bad idea.

with passports and credit cards you don't need to be able to use the data in the manner card or passport issuer intended for the data to be dangerous. data of any kind can be used to identify or target an individual.

just because i can't easily use a credit card number to buy stuff doesn't mean having a person's credit card information is a good thing. you can still cause all manner of havoc with the information, using the card name or type in a scam, or just figuring out who has an american express card in their possession.

the trouble with RFID passports is that broadcasting your identity and nation of origin is not a good idea in any country, including the united states. being able to scan a crowd for american passports (or brits, or israelis) makes targeted kidnapping and bombing much more effective.

anyone with an ounce of security training will tell you that you should do your best to blend in when you are in a foreign country so you will not become a target for terrorism, crime, or espionage. having your credit card and passport broadcasting personally identifiable information via RFID is the opposite of blending in.
Amex should provide a shielded card sleeve.
by WaltAugustinowicz February 26, 2008 12:28 PM PST
as should all the credit card companies and the transportation card companies. They are very inexpensive in bulk. Identity Stronghold sells them on their website. www.idstronghold.com

In the UK you can buy them at www.smartcardfocus.com/skimstopper

This seems a simple solution to a big problem.
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Oh come on!
by tienkou February 27, 2008 4:53 AM PST
It sounds to me like Laurie is contributing to the problem not the solution. Everyone wants to find the flaw and become "infamous". No one takes the time to think "What's the cost of cyber-fame?" Ooh If I come up with this really complex algorythm to prove my point and tell everyone they will have to fix it. How about you find the flaw tell only the company that needs to know and keep you trap shut. No the entire public can buy you stuff and steal from each other.

I know they work hard and think they are doing the right thing by exposing potential dangers, but guess what most people don't know how to make a bomb until someone tells them step by step.

Expose the threat not the do it yourself!
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by dansodouglas July 11, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
how do i really get my credit card with safe
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by Goldking78 August 27, 2008 6:56 AM PDT
you have to keep your credit card password safe for others not to see because if they see they may go in to your credit account so you have to get password protection so that people can not use you credit card for any business
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by julietroland90 August 30, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
i want to have marster card number free with his code an card number
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by julietroland90 August 30, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
and i want u to mail me the number of the card
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by julietroland90 August 30, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
and i want u to mail me the number of the card
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