Comments on: Adobe bites its tongue after iPhone Flash jab

Steve Jobs didn't mince words about what he thought of Adobe's Flash technology on the iPhone. Such is life among business "partners."

[Kontracnet]

I explained why WebKit is Apple's answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX here:

Runtime wars (1): Does Apple have an answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX?
http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/runtime-wars/

Runtime wars (2): Apple?s answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX
http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/apple-runtime-answer-2/

[abelian]

@ Asdf Sdfa

Please spare us all the ad hominem commentary. Your bias is self evident. Thanks.

[stevemccallister]

So, Flash is too slow for the iPhone -- but the pokey AT&T non-3G internet service is just what Dr. Jobs ordered?

[st430]

quick time competes with flash and
steve job losses.
no one uses quick time...
so now he is trying to trash flash.
good luck.

[Olu070]

Funny that You Tube is now offering higher res videos encoded in h.264. Maybe, just maybe that might be a better codec then that used in flash.

[vettiguy]

steve jobs need money out of everything, he creates..may be adobe didnt pay commision out of every hit of flash material in an website..

[BryanG1]

There are two reasons Flash is not on the iPhone:

1.) AT&T's network would never be able to handle the load of streaming through Flash players. If you can't stream content, what's the point in having Flash.

2.) Flash would quickly become the standard for iPhone app development. Like it or not, Flash has a huge developer base, and there's no way Apple is going to let another company own the technology that powers the majority of apps on iPhone.

[Eludium-Q36]

Hey Steve, how 'bout Silverlight ?!

[arosenbl0]

Flash *is* slow and bloated. Practically the only thing that can get the fans running on my Macbook Pro besides a 3D game or something is a web page heavy with flash. Safari jumps to using almost a whole core. I'd love to have flash on the iPhone, but they need to seriously slim it down...

[mattflaschen]

Apple tells everyone that the iPhone has the power of a desktop computer. It has a full browser, it runs OS X, etc. But then, somehow, everyone has to give it special treatment. Adobe has to come up with a special Flash version for iPhone. Developers have to code gadgets specifically for iPhone. The list goes on.

So, which is it, Apple? Is it a robust computer or a vulnerable phone?

[radmoose]

SilverLight Anyone?

[Thomas, David]

The FACT IS Flash, as it stands, requires the use of a decent personal computer (with more power AS a computer than an iPhone), and Flash-Lite has too many limitations.

Telling the truth is refreshing? Coop, i think you've become jaded (but I don't blame you).

Can Adobe create a slimmer Flash binary, that isn't a resource hog, AND has most, if not all of it's initially INTENDED functionality? Of course they can. Will it require some serious code review. YUP!

Oh, by the way, some you the comments on here still amaze me. People pull beliefs out of their butts like they just ate a pot of beans.

[ewelch]

Apple wants QuickTime to become the standard for web video streaming. ?TV is one example of their direction. Though Apple is not hostile to Adobe, they don't feel obligated to help them establish a competing technology as the defacto standard for the Internet. That YouTube is happy to help Apple convert flash to h.264 is clearly an indication Apple is not alone.

[wilson350z]

YouTube is happy to convert flash to h.264 because the latest version of the flash player supports h.264.

[devo21]

Blah blah blah blah.

Listen to yourselves. Correcting each other and saying its business negotiations, and others saying, and jobs, its too slow and lite is not capable for iPhone.

Can we agree thats its obviously both technical and negotiations.
Regardless the two companies' relations and past dealing. Apple's major concerns are the secutity risks and the ability to abuse flash and run certain things apple doesn't want its users running. Thats why lite is really just not ready for the iPhone platform. That and some updating for the iphones touch ui.

Apple can and probably already has a version of QuickTime mobile ready and waiting if adobe doesn't take care of what they need to take care of to get a reliable and apple controlled version so that everybody is happy. This is a big business deal for adobe too don't forget and they want it. And apple wants them to have it. Plain and simple. I can only imagine the technicality part of this all probably is troubling because everything needs to work with other parties and as the softwares do there jobs nobody wants it too use large portions of the memory.

As I've read a lot of peoples comments on many blogs its all become symantecs too me. I will wait patiently untill after its released and see how it goes first.

I love myiphone. It is a great revelutuonary device and has enormous potentail.

Devo28