Comments on: FISA or bust: What's Bush's real angle

In his latest press conference, the president again warns Congress any delay increases the U.S. vulnerability to terror strikes. But the subtext makes you wonder what's really on the agenda.

[talk2farley]

What the hell is this? What are you talking about? I believe you've been misled into thinknig this is a REAL media job. You are here to deliver male tech porn, not scathing political commentary. That kind of stuff is done in Los Angeles and New York.

Thanks for trying, though.

[charlie cooper]

Au contraire, Beaudelaire. Dunno where you got the "scathing political commentary" dig. We've been covering the FISA issue since it broke. And the President's press conference this morning is the latest turn in the screw. Sorry the post flips you out but tech political coverage is part of what we do.

[Russellcole]

If you think that technology fails to have ramifications beyond the immediate gratification you get from reading write ups describing mundane gadgets, then you are an idiot. Technology intersects with all dimensions of society; whether economic, domestic, or political. CNet has always been a source of journalism and commentary that has included analyzes of the larger social relevancies to types of technologies. This was an excellent source of journalism covering the incident of the technician who blew the whistle on AT&T; a case that is still pending; yet to get thrown out under the ridiculous latitude that is typical granted to government under pretenses of National Security.

[alflanagan]

Was going to reply but russellcole beat me to it. What he said.

[georgiarat]

I agree. This is a technology forum and this crosses the line into political commentary. Go to Moveon, Democratic Underground or Free Republic (if your conservative) and vent there!

[charlie cooper]

nope. sorry to disagree - without being disagreeable, naturally - but you're wrong on that count. see my above response to "talk2farley."

[Restraint]

I think the posters are a bit harsh on Mr. Cooper. Unless you feel you are completely isolated from the issues involved with this Federal action it is something we should all try to learn about. Mr. Cooper sounds less politically aligned and more of a concerned citizen.

[Amgooda]

Irrespective of whether this is political commentary or not. You chose to read the article, and the article provides analysis into ties between technology and United States policy. Wiretapping is clearly a technological advancement and wireless surveillance is as well, and the fact that CNET is intelligent enough to cover the intermingling between technology and government deserves positive acknowledgment. Even though CNET is a technology information site, it is still a journalistic site nonetheless and enjoys the ability to discuss whatever matters it wants. By the way, this is a News Blog, so stop being ignorant to the fact that Cooper has the right to discuss whatever he would like to discuss. I for one am glad that CNET takes the initiative to report on such information.

[ortzinator]

FYI Bush isn't running for any public office.

[ewsachse]

Yes Mr. Bush, there is a "true threat to the country". That threat is an idiot like you and those who support you and this endeavor.

People complain about the lack of democracy and humans rights violations in Cuba, yet they are trying to pus the same conditions here. They want to spy on everyone and enforce a perpetual one party rule. At least Cuba is better at educating all their citizens, and Cuba provides free health care to all their citizens.

[williamQ]

Once again, Charles Cooper abuses his tech pulpit to inflict his predictable politcal bias on his readers.

And Cooper doesn't even have the respect to get the issue right before opining. He claims that "the Senate says yes, while the House says no." In fact, the House says "yes" -- the votes are there to pass the measure, but the Democratic leadership refuses to let it come to a vote. The House is ready to "say yes," just like the Senate did by more than a 2-1 margin.

Spare us your politics, Charles. Or at least get your facts straight.

[charlie cooper]

sorry but you're wrong. majority rules - and for the time being, at least, the prospective yays & nays in the house still reject the incarnation of the law okayed by the senate.

[Rick Mc Callister]

Cooper tells it like it is. I don't see him extolling Obama or Clinton. He's just pointing out that this law is not what Bush says it is. He hasn't called him a liar or a buffoon. It's an honest non-partisan exposition of the facts. I appreciate his candor.

[umbrae]

If might be wise to remind everyone that this is America and, unless Bush has done something to that too, we all have a right to express opinions. The writer of this article did not say anything untrue.

Many, MANY, American aren't as dismissive about the effects these laws have on our privacy. I don't care how many people get killed by terrorists: I do not want the government listening to my conversation without court oversight. That is a check and balance to keep America free. Its amazing how in such a short amount of time we have seen such horrible violation of civil liberties. In the end, Corporations can sue you for sharing music with your friends, but you cannot sue Telecoms for illegally allowing wiretaps. Before you argue: that is why this law is needed... To make this practice legal. Until it is passed, these companies broke the law, and there is no reason people cannot sue for it.

[Ampex]

I too, value my privacy but I would like to see the proof individuals have that would indicate their phone calls have been monitored. Then I would like to know the damages they suffered as a result. Chances are that no one participating in this blog can site one instance where a US citizen has suffered damages or can proove that they have been monitored.

[bstender]

"So why is Bush making a big megilla out of this? "

it's all about the immunity. Bush and Co doesnt want the facts to come out in court...apparently it wasnt just terrorists they were listening in on or they would welcome the discovery process. (unless you classify Democrats as Terrorists)

interesting that it started before 911 too, there is so much to learn about this secret administration.

[Dalkorian]

Wow, the truth is in there! Directly from the article:

"Asked later if Americans are essentially being told that when it comes to their privacy, the answer was "to suck it up," Bush responded:

"I wouldn't put it that way, if I were you, in public. Well, you've been long been long enough to--anyway, yes, I-- look, there's--people who analyze the program fully understand that America's civil liberties are well protected. There is a constant check to make sure that our civil liberties of our citizens aren't--you know, are treated with respect"

Do you see it? Let's filter out the confusing ramblings from an idiot who can't even complete a sentence and see what he's really saying here:

"Bush responded:

"I wouldn't put it that way <snip> in public. <snip> yes. <snip> There is a constant check to make sure that our civil liberties of our citizens aren't <snip> treated with respect"

I think this is the first time in 8 years I've heard the truth from fuhrer bushit. Most of the time you have to take the exact opposite of what he says to get the truth, but here it is in all it's glory!

Sieg heil, fuhrer bushit! Your luck of not being impeached for being a traitorous criminal has to only hold out for roughly 10 more months!

[williamQ]

QUOTE: "Sieg heil, fuhrer bushit! Your luck of not being impeached for being a traitorous criminal..."

Ah yes- nothing like a carefully-reasoned argument...

[vaporland]

If some folks here are frustrated, it is because of the nature of the coverup perpetrated by the Bush Administration.

Fact #1 - Under existing FISA law, if the government presents a subpoena issued by a FISA judge to a communications company, the Telco MUST comply or they are in violation of federal law.

Fact #2 - Under existing FISA law, if the government is concerned that time is of the essence, they may instruct the telco to provide the ability to listen and then apply for the subpoena AFTER THE FACT. Nothing in current law impedes in ANY WAY the ability of the government to conduct legitimate surveillance.

Fact #3 - FISA was passed in the 70's in response to the Nixon Administration's abuse of government power, when they used the FBI, CIA and IRS to watch and harass their political enemies without review by any third party.

Fact #4 - Under existing FISA law, it is ILLEGAL to listen in on conversations between US citizens located in the United States without a warrant.

Fact #5 - BEFORE September 11, 2001, the Bush Administration was asking communications companies to provide access to the communications of US citizens WITHOUT A WARRANT from the FISA court. This continued up until 2004, when John Ashcroft REFUSED to sign off on letting it continue, even as he lay sick in the hospital.

Fact #6, The telcos and the Bush Administration broke the law, and this legislation is their attempt to cover their tracks after the fact. If they did not, why is there not even any provision for REVIEW and DISCLOSURE of the wiretapping and other electronic eavesdropping (email, etc) that AMNESTY is being given for? Do we, the citizens, ever get to know what the telcos did, just because the president said "I'm the president - if I say it's legal, it ok to do it"?