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Comments on: WordPerfect co-founder: $1 million for gay marriage ban

Alan Ashton kept a low profile during his days as part of the triumvirate running WordPerfect. But he dug into his deep pockets to help decide a highly charged vote in California on November 4.

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by sanenazok November 15, 2008 7:26 PM PST
Okay Coupe, we'll forbid people from supporting political causes with money. Especially the "super rich" because they're evil! Class warfare all the way! We'll just have the politburo put out comrade information broadcasts. They might even use youtube.
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by TxTom21 November 15, 2008 7:37 PM PST
This is not a news article, it's an editorial. And IMO, a one-sided (as in biased) editorial.

However, as both co-founders spent THEIR OWN MONEY on their own cause's sides, I see little news value of this on a tech site. Now, seeing how Apple as a company spent money on one side, that's news. That is a company making a statement, taking a position, possibly alienating some of their user-base.

Since WordPerfect is now (and has been for several years) outside the control of either co-founder, it's not at all fair to Corel, the current owner of the program, to drag the WP name into this. Unless Corel, maker of CorelDraw, WordPerfect, Painter and other applications makes a contribution as a company or takes a stand as a company, WordPerfect has little to do with either Bruce Bastian or Dr. Ashton any more. WordPerfect is part of Corel. Dr. Ashton and Mr. Bastian are not.
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by Tim.b November 15, 2008 7:56 PM PST
I?m tired and disgusted with the bigotry and ignorance of the RIGHT, and the shrill me-me-me entitlement drum beat of the LEFT who have the gall to compare their position to the righteous struggle of black Americans out of slavery!

But, I?ll speak out on BLACKLISTS. That was American fascism in the 50?s, full of intimidation and hate. It was wrong then and wrong NOW!

So, without taking sides, I?ll just stand up and say, ?I?M Spartacus!? -- Join me if you have any civility and honor.
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by Cruton502 November 15, 2008 8:05 PM PST
How is this on the CNET news front page that is titled "Top technology news headlines" when this obviously doesn't fall anywhere near under that category. This is a person's view not a headline...

Well, I guess when that person is an "executive editor" who can argue that his views aren't headlines?
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by amigosito November 15, 2008 8:31 PM PST
I have to agree with you, it's a pretty poor excuse for a blog post, let alone a news article.
by me_not_you November 15, 2008 8:49 PM PST
It should be noted, that with very little effort I was able to find online that CNET is a CBS affiliate. It is therefore not surprising at all that the writer of this article was able to slam someone who donated FOR PROP 8 to pass under the guise of REPORTING THE NEWS, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well. It is also not surprising that there was no mention at all about the money spent by people or TECH companies against PROP 8, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well.
CNET SHOULD report on technology, there are plenty of other venues for people to discuss PROP 8but since you brought it up in this article:
CNET's affiliation with CBS will keep them form doing this which will basically mean that CNET is just another liberal news source.
Liberal news sources will not slam black or hispanic people who voted overwhelmingly for PROP 8.
Liberal news sources will not show homosexuals manhandling and destroying the property of a little old lady leaving her church who homosexuals see as a symbol of hatred and oppression against them, thank God for Bill O'riley.
Had I known that there was such a heated battle going on in California I would have sent money to support PROP 8 also, although I don't have a million.
Should you feel the need to support or oppose PROP 8 send your money to the appropriate side. We still live in a democratic society.
HOMOsexuality IS your choice, you were not BORN THAT WAY. GOD does not make mistakes!
Marriage is a word used to describe a union between a man and a woman. It belonged to the church before it belonged to the state. Since I'm on the soap box here talking to liberals, quit, stop talking out both sides of your liberal mouths. YOUR judges INVENTED separation of church and state, since I find no where that this is stated in the Constitution of the United States. You can't argue both ways and have any of the rest of us have any respect for you at all. If marriage is an institution of CHURCHES then CHURCHES (who are separated from the state) should be the ones to decide what marriage is or is not. The majority of people voted against Prop 8, you lost, get over it. If you had won and conservative traditional Americans had started acting the way you have been acting since the election then you would have it plastered all over the news media about the violet people who don't understand that you won don't understand the democratic process, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well. But now that you lost you act as if it was your God given right search out and destroy peoples churches, lives, and reputations not only verbally but physically and the news media shows that people were just holding peaceful loud protests against being on the losing end of the Prop 8 vote, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well.
If you want the same tax breaks and rights as the rest of us then STOP making BAD DECISIONS.
MURDERERS made BAD DECISIONS and we put them in jail, they don't get to vote and don't make enough money to care about whether or not they get better tax breaks or their SIGNIFICANT OTHER (God help me for having used that term) gets their children or inherits their property!
God loves all homosexuals (PEOPLE) BUT HE DOES NOT LOVE THE SIN (ACT) of HOMOSEXUALITY!
Will the author of this column PLEASE STEP OUT OF THE CLOSET!?!?
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by amigosito November 15, 2008 8:53 PM PST
Sounds like you're the one living in the closet....
by Charlieisignorant November 15, 2008 8:50 PM PST
Are you going to write an article about all the people that gave money against the prop? What the heck does this have to do with a technology site anyhow? No one needs your ignorant diatribes against an individual just because you obviously don't agree. Hey, 52% of the voters in California were for the prop, so respect "their rights" just like you obviously do for the homosexual community.
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by me_not_you November 15, 2008 8:52 PM PST
It should be noted, that with very little effort I was able to find online that CNET is a CBS affiliate. It is therefore not surprising at all that the writer of this article was able to slam someone who donated FOR PROP 8 to pass under the guise of REPORTING THE NEWS, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well. It is also not surprising that there was no mention at all about the money spent by people or TECH companies against PROP 8, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well.
CNET SHOULD report on technology, there are plenty of other venues for people to discuss PROP 8but since you brought it up in this article:
CNET's affiliation with CBS will keep them form doing this which will basically mean that CNET is just another liberal news source.
Liberal news sources will not slam black or hispanic people who voted overwhelmingly for PROP 8.
Liberal news sources will not show homosexuals manhandling and destroying the property of a little old lady leaving her church who homosexuals see as a symbol of hatred and oppression against them, thank God for Bill O'riley.
Had I known that there was such a heated battle going on in California I would have sent money to support PROP 8 also, although I don't have a million.
Should you feel the need to support or oppose PROP 8 send your money to the appropriate side. We still live in a democratic society.
HOMOsexuality IS your choice, you were not BORN THAT WAY. GOD does not make mistakes!
Marriage is a word used to describe a union between a man and a woman. It belonged to the church before it belonged to the state. Since I'm on the soap box here talking to liberals, quit, stop talking out both sides of your liberal mouths. YOUR judges INVENTED separation of church and state, since I find no where that this is stated in the Constitution of the United States. You can't argue both ways and have any of the rest of us have any respect for you at all. If marriage is an institution of CHURCHES then CHURCHES (who are separated from the state) should be the ones to decide what marriage is or is not. The majority of people voted against Prop 8, you lost, get over it. If you had won and conservative traditional Americans had started acting the way you have been acting since the election then you would have it plastered all over the news media about the violet people who don't understand that you won don't understand the democratic process, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well. But now that you lost you act as if it was your God given right search out and destroy peoples churches, lives, and reputations not only verbally but physically and the news media shows that people were just holding peaceful loud protests against being on the losing end of the Prop 8 vote, LIBERAL news media bias is alive and well.
If you want the same tax breaks and rights as the rest of us then STOP making BAD DECISIONS.
MURDERERS made BAD DECISIONS and we put them in jail, they don't get to vote and don't make enough money to care about whether or not they get better tax breaks or their SIGNIFICANT OTHER (God help me for having used that term) gets their children or inherits their property!
God loves all homosexuals (PEOPLE) BUT HE DOES NOT LOVE THE SIN (ACT) of HOMOSEXUALITY!
Will the author of this column PLEASE STEP OUT OF THE CLOSET!?!?
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by toosday November 15, 2008 9:02 PM PST
I say we should give gays the rights that every other human being has: To marry another human being.

In most states (including California) a person who is incarcerated for murder can still get married - even to someone who is NOT incarcerated! Yet, two gays and/or lesbians who have done nothing to harm mankind doesn't have the same civil right as a criminal. How does that make sense, really?

Also, I find it interesting that heterosexual family advocates choose to boycott tech companies for their support of gay rights. Microsoft was boycotted last year for giving equal benefits to their gay employees as straight ones. Apple came under fire this year for donating to the fight to keep gay marriage legal in California. Good luck boycotting BOTH of those huge companies, guys. I can't imagine you'll be too successful.
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by miflemin November 15, 2008 10:26 PM PST
I pray to God that the gay movement stops soon. Homosexuality is a virus that if left unchecked will deteriorate the moral fiber of society. I fear for the children. Please protect our children
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by amigosito November 16, 2008 12:51 AM PST
You should worry more about protecting your children from sexual predators who work as priests in the catholic church. Intolerance is the only virus that is deteriorating our society and you are the one spreading it.
by sgreenfi November 15, 2008 10:32 PM PST
I remember that software. It's been awhile though since I graduated to much better apps. I'm really surprised he even had the money to throw behind that side of the issue. Nonetheless, it's very disappointing but gives me the inspiration to develop some decent apps, make my millions and counter... *******.
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by zcline November 15, 2008 11:20 PM PST
This is not why I subscribed to the CNET RSS feed. Stay focused or others like me will choose to read something else.
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by Art Dir November 19, 2008 12:38 PM PST
Way wait? Why threaten? Just leave now and go read something else.
by imacpwr November 16, 2008 12:02 AM PST
A homophobic Mormon whose church practiced polygamy trying to dictate the moral grounds of a homosexual marriage...?!?!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....!!!!!
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by eadeguzman November 16, 2008 12:15 AM PST
It's really amazing how so many people dare to compare gays' claim to marriage rights to human rights violations committed against blacks in the not so distant history.

Gay the new Black? Good sound bite, but in my opinion, insulting to the black human rights movement.
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by amigosito November 16, 2008 12:48 AM PST
I don't see what's so "amazing" about wanting equal rights for all, regardless of race, creed or sexual orientation. I do agree it's not appropriate to compare gay marriage to slavery, but it is certainly valid to compare the current gay rights movement to the race- and gender-based civil rights movements of the 60s, and to apply the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to gay rights. African-Americans are not the only minority groups that have suffered in this country. If you think that only people of color are beaten and killed by bigots, you should read the tragic story of Matthew Wayne Shepard.
by man290663 November 16, 2008 3:41 AM PST
People have the innate right under the constitution to live their lives as they choose free from interference from the state or church. that is irrespective of their age,sex,race AND sexuality.

this proposition is against people own rights to chose what they wish to do and is not about forcing everyone to be gay - gays are born that way (and that is medical fact!)and have the same rights as everyone.

this proposition would not be accepted if it covered another group born that way such as if banned blondes from marrying. Anyone who voted for this or donated money should realise they are being bigoted and discriminatory against a group of people born that way who only wish to be allowed to love each other and be free from legal persecution just as the rest of the world.
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by vurbano November 16, 2008 4:25 AM PST
sorry but mariage is between a man and a woman. Marriage was not created by government and government has no right to change its defintion for some group of that wants to practice some sick behavior. They already have the same rights that I do.
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by rapier1 November 16, 2008 8:57 AM PST
The religious concept of marraige is, in some religions, limited to a union between a man and a woman. Why should this have an impact on the state defined concept of marraige as a legal and economic union between two individuals? It seems to me that all people are asking for is to enjoy the same rights and privlidges afforded by the *state*.
by joshsc November 16, 2008 6:06 AM PST
Just as this guy had every right to donate money to a cause he believes in, this writer has every right to report that.

These amendments WILL be defeated as soon as a court decides whether marriage is a religious union or a state sponsored benefit package for two people who live together. If it is a religious union, through separation of church and state, it must be excised from all government documents. If it is a state sponsor benefit package, it must get granted to ALL.

Oh, for all those talking about how much of a sin homosexuality is, I think I remember it said best in the Bible "cast not the first stone..." When you can prove you don't sin first, only then do you have a right to call someone else a sinner.
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by getacluepeople November 16, 2008 7:05 AM PST
Ok, everyone who said that Ashton's money could have been better spent on new automotive technology, the same could be said about the 200+ million spent by the Obama campaign to get the man elected into office. I could propose that if he has just used the public finance that was made available, then he might have lost that election. But who knows, now is not the time to cry about that.

I think Ashton used his money on a personal item. Doesn't say he used company funds. Last time I checked, a person has the right to spend their money on anything they want, without fear of being labeled a cook or a nut or subversive or....the list goes on. I for one would never point out that you just spent that extra $5 this week on junk food to add more pounds to your already obese frame. That's your choice - who am I to say anything about your choice. So why you gotta go attack someone for their personal interests. If you don't believe in a thing, voice your opinion and let it be heard. But don't attack someone because they dont' believe like you do. State your case and let the facts speak for themselves. People will make up their minds, don't do it for them and don't judge them for their decisions.

[The campaign issued an urgent appeal, and in a matter of days, it raised more than $5 million, ******including a $1 million donation from Alan C. Ashton, the grandson of a former president of the Mormon Church.***** The money allowed the drive to intensify a sharp-elbowed advertising campaign, and support for the measure was catapulted ahead; it ultimately won with 52 percent of the vote.]

Leave the man alone for crying out loud.
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by nvlawyer November 16, 2008 8:20 AM PST
Why did you write this article?

What does Mr. Ashton's being Mormon have to do with computing and technology?

Why is it important that you identify Ashton as being a Mormon?

6,100,000+ voted for Proposition 8, but you feel compelled to identify one contributor? On a technology website? Why, so wackos can send him anthrax in the mail?

Is this a call to action against Mr. Ashton? Against the Mormon church? What about all the Catholics and Evangelicals who donated? Any one you care to "out" or are you just preserving your venom for Mormons in the technology field? Do you expect that your comments will help Mormons obtain equal treatment under the law when applying for jobs?

Discrimination in any form is repugnant and religious discrimination is about as bad as it gets. You, my friend, have made it clear that Mormons are not welcome in California because of their beliefs. In this case, you disagree with Mormons on their stand in protecting the traditional definition of marriage. You have your right to say what you want to say, but put it on your blog as a personal opinion. Trying to make this a "technology" issue is as transparent as glass.

Your real motivation is to bring harm to Mr. Ashton and the Mormon Church for exercising their rights to support a moral cause. Do you also want to "out" your parents who probably feel the same way? Or your preacher, or your neighbors who voted in support of traditional marriage? Or are you simply saving your venom for the obvious targets?

Proposition 8 carried the day and it is now the law of the land. It got to that point because of voters who were more concerned with tinkering with a 25,000 year social institution than appeasing 2% of the population. Like it or not, traditional marriage is the foundation of society. A man and a woman who raise children is where society starts and where it may fail. Should we tinker with that base, we are playing with the fundamental structure of society -- something most people are unwilling to do.

Now go apologize to Mr. Ashton for your bigotry.
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by charlie cooper November 16, 2008 10:07 AM PST
i think you need to go back and reread the post. where, exactly, did i slur ashton or his religion?
by farker1 November 16, 2008 8:31 AM PST
One man one vote - and so 70% of African Americans in California voted for Prop 8. Do you have a problem with 70% of voting black Americans?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html
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by doobz94 November 16, 2008 9:33 AM PST
You people are idiots. Gay marriage isn't about just being able to get married. It's not about "forcing homosexuality on to children". It's about love. We're not forcing homosexuality onto anyone. We just want to be treated as equals. We want to start a family. We want to show our love. And if you ignorant a$$ holes say that some magical man in the sky says we are possessed by Satan or God hates us or it's a choice or we're faking it or whatever you believe, you're un-American if this influences your political views. In our government there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State. Religion can not influence our government. And if you say that in makes marriage less valuable for heterosexual couples, well that's bull sh*t. And man marrying a man does not affect you. And if you say gays raising a child is unhealthy, then single couples should not be able to raise a child or adopt a child under law. Gays can be just as good, loving parents as any heterosexual. H8TE is un-American.
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