Comments on: Senators OK $1 billion for online child porn fight

Bill, which awaits floor vote, would encourage investigators to comb peer-to-peer networks for illegal images and would rewrite laws to ban Webcasts depicting child abuse.

[RipR35]

$1 billion for Child Porn and $80 billion for the Drug War. Misplaced priorities? I think so.

[MisterBIGMOUTH]

Hey Lerianis and RipR35, let children be children and stop trying to force them into adulthood. Childhood is short enough as it is, and when it's gone, most people would like to relive it somehow. Our society forces kids to grow up too soon as it is, we toss them into school at 4-5years of age, a time when all anyone t=can think about id "playtime"
and on the side, we have adults like YOU trying to show them how much fun a ***** is. Listen, most kids, when they find pornography, think to themselves "Why would anyone want to kiss or lick that? We PEE out of those things"
You find children attractive? Ok. Just don't do anything sexual with them. Let them find their own sexuality with someone their own age range, as it should be.

[MisterBIGMOUTH]

Sorry about that last comment RipR35. I misread what you typed. I see now you are on the same side as I am. But Lerianis needs to seek professional help.

[MisterBIGMOUTH]

My only problem with the war against childpron is that there is no real war against it. They arrest the people who collect it, but they leave the actual makes of childporn alone for the most part, because childpornographers are the bait. Most of the time when someone gets arrested for owning childporn, their friends and family say the same thing: "He/she never harmed any child. I can't believe they owned such material." And maybe it's true, maybe those people never dreamed of harming a child, but they enjoyed the photos and videos of children. Look what hapenned to Gary Glitter. Meanwhile, the childpornographers are left alone and continue to rape children on camera! They are left alone because if all childpornographers were arrested, there will be no one left to arrest in this way, and no way thay can keep getting paid for this so called "war on childpornography" see what I mean? No childporn, no childporn collectors, no more $1 billion. But... keep the pornographers, and keep arresting the people who collect it, and keep getting that $1 billion dollar check to fight the war on childporn.

[MisterBIGMOUTH]

Here is a message to Lerianis, all pedophiles, and all pedo-sexuals. You will NEVER fit in in this Christian-run society. I was rasied as a Roman-Catholic myself, and their strict rules has me questioning my faith, and the existence of monsters like YOU make me wonder if God even exists. In any case, you can forget about the outside world accepting your so-called sexual preference, because CHRISTIANS CAN'T ACCEPT THEIR OWN SEXUALITY. They have all kinds of rules on how proper heterosexual men and women should behave.

I want you to understand that I DO NOT TAKE THE BIBLE 100% LITTERALY like most people do. I think most of the stories are metaphors to reach a point & explain what once was unexplainable. But Hard-core Christians do believe every word, and this is what they believe: That, there was no death in the world until Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit of Knowledge. Once They ate it, death plagued all God's creatures. To counter this, God said "Thou shale be fruitful and multiply."

THIS IS WHY CHRISTIANS HATE THEIR OWN HETEROSEXUALITY, AND THE NAKED HUMAN BODY. To them, it is a constant reminder of paradise lost when Adam and Eve ate The Forbidden Fruit. For a Christian to believe that THIS is how the world was when it was created, you would have to believe that THE FIRST MAN AND WOMAN HAD NO GENITAILIA. Since they were designed to live forever, they had no reason to reproduce, and if they ate fruit from The Tree Of Life, they would have had no need of a complicated digestive system to pump out human waste.

In short, once The Forbidden Fruit was eaten, death plagued the Earth, then God gave all creatures genitals to reproduce so that even though we die, life would always flourish. Now, most reasonable people have accepted that this is all metaphoric nonsense, and the theory of evolution is how life REALLY beggan, but as I said this country is run by hard-core Christians who think the naked human body and sexual reproduction is an evil mutation to counter death, brought on by a lie from the devil who tricked the first man and woman into disobeying God and eatiing the Forbidden Fruit. Christians will never accept hetorosexuality as normal, so they will never accept ANY form of sexuality. It even says in the bible: "For a man to lay down with another man is an abomination to God" I think it says the same thing about lesbians too.

I don't agree with everything Christians say and do, but when it comes to fighting pedophiles, and childporn, looks like I have and entire planet full of sex-hating religious kooks on MY SIDE.

[ReVeLaTeD]

I don't.

Drugs kill people. As perverse as child porn is, it doesn't kill anyone.

[pmfjoe]

I'll agree with ReVeLaTeD while I understand the problems associated with child porn and think the makers should end up in jail for a long long long time, I have personally seen many many more lives affected, damaged, or destroyed by illegal drugs.

[Sir Geek]

Why not spend $ 1 Billion to find the cause of why people LIKE child porn in the 1st place and try to fix the cause instead of the symptom ?

Or does that make too much sense in the long run ?

[PzkwVIb]

Oh great, another "It's for the CHILDREN initiative." Rather then solving real, relevant and and pervasive problems, politicians take the political cheap shot. I have the feeling that the amount of kiddy porn out there is minuscule compared to all of the other problems Congress should be solving. Bravo! The Senate once again proves itself to be full of gutless political hacks.

[jzumbie]

Interesting thought... I'd bet you've never been a foster parent and seen the effects of these kids being taken advantage of; or do you even know that 1in 3 women are raped in their lifetimes (1 in 4 before they leave their teen years)... It's a real problem!

[PzkwVIb]

Respectfull, bull****. You can prove anything with statistics, especially when the compilers of the statistics have an axe to gring. Maybe if you include lawless third world crapholes you get one in three. But in civilized countries, I do not believe that.

[yacahuma]

Again , no one here seem to care about the actual children. Drug users do it because the want to. I am pretty sure kids are force to this. I will put 80 billion fightting kid porn and let the drug users die.

[unknown unknown]

Drugs kill people, but then so do legal substances like tobacco and alcohol. Besides with regard to drugs, people usually have a choice whether to stat using them or not. As for the war on drugs, it's a sick joke. I have no doubt congress like these bills because tough on child predators is the latest rage. Unlike the drugs, children don't get a choice and results can lead to behavioral problems, depression, and suicide among others. There are cases were the child has been killed buy their abuser.

[richto]

I guess you have never heard of Lolita then.

[Pete Bardo]

Sound a lot like the RIAA program to find copyrighted material offered for free download illegally. This whole scheme could be taken down by file sharers misleadingly naming files "illegal child porn.mpg". Or name them "Illegal copy of music by the artist formerly known as Prince.mp4".

Then we'll be paying agents to watch kiddie-porn. Maybe some of the predators could get jobs there--they know what to look for!

[humanssssss]

Disclaimer:
These are my opinions. If you don't like it. Don't read. I am not responsible for any actions or damage as a result to my opinions. Don't blame me if you read what I have to say. You have every right to do something else beside reading my opinions.

Americans are obsess with restricting sex. From making prostitution illegal to revoke the rights of an individual to view child pornography to the ability of an individual to alter image to suggest child pornography. Why do we prohibit these 1st amendment right that everyone wants so much? Because we are idiots. When it comes to hurt you, then you will realize these laws are as stupid as the people who wanted it to be enacted.

My position is this. Viewing and possessing child pornography should not be criminalize. The people who make child pornography through use of non-consensual means should be prosecuted for the crime of forcing children to have sex. But if the children consent, I don't see the harm in this.

Sex to many Americans are something of a taboo. If you were to go to other part of the countries which has more people than the US, they have sex even as young as 10 years old. Do they think child pornography is illegal? Doubt it.

The age that the law consider a child is 18. Kids go through puberty at 12 now a day. Unlike 10 years ago, kids go through puberty at 14. Laws should take into consideration science more specifically evolution. Many law makers and many people never took a Biology class. That's why we have stupid laws. Laws that only cater to the mob that "think" they know best when in actuality, they are hypocrites when the laws are on them, and they go on a crusade to change the law.

[The_Decider]

I get what you are saying Humansssss, too bad perverts who think it is OK to have sex with 5 year olds drown out your arguments.

In other countries the age of consent varies, does that mean that a 17 year old American is not capable of choosing of having sex with, say a 30 year old, but a French 17 year old is?

There is a lot of meaningless lines drawn, although Leria went way past that line straight into deviant behavior.

[RipR35]

TO ReVeLaTeD & pmfjoe:

And how does the drug war prevent drug deaths? Actually it causes more deaths than it prevents. Crack & Meth are a direct result of the drug war.
Prohibition leads to stronger and more dangerous drugs. It has never proven to reduce supply or demand. Cocaine, crack, meth and herion is of higher quality and cheaper today then at any time in the history of the "War on Drugs".
Drugs are a choice, being a victim of child porn is not.
You need to get your head around this issue before you spout off. Your comments are a sad commentary on a generation who's heads are full of propaganda.

[paulej]

Boy, this one sure did get people going :-) I guess we all have our opinions. The government should not be telling me to wear a seat belt, that I can't walk down the street drunk, or that I cannot sit at home and smoke pot. The government passes laws that supposedly everybody wants. (To be clear, I do not drink, smoke pot, and I choose to wear my seatbelt.) User "humanssssss" tries to make a good point in regard to how our society is a bit strange. While I find it hard to believe that the age of puberty has changed over the past 10 years (just seems like an impossible change on the evolutionary scale), just 150 years ago our society was more accepting of people marrying at much younger ages. Heck, 2000 years ago "great men" were 20 years old. Most charges are artificial. Worse, laws often go too far. It just amazes me that people in America can be put in jail for letting their children drink wine when it is a part of society in many countries. Oddly, one cannot buy a beer until age 21, yet at 18 they can be sent to war with a powerful weapon. In some states, if an 18 year old "man" has sex with his 17 year girlfriend, he is guilty of being a child sex offender. Lawmakers had good intentions, but they created broken laws. And, while I do believe we should take steps to protect children, we need $1B to search on-line web sites? I could hire a huge number of people and put them to task every year with that much money. Or, we can just hire a few "experts" we have already jailed to find it for us! I support any effort to curb child porn, but somebody is wasting too much money. And $80B on drugs is definitely insane. Heck, make the drugs legal and then we can control them. Drug seller/dealers would no longer be a problem. Associated crime (e.g., theft to buy drugs) would plummet. Remember, when the government authorizes use of such money, that this is your money. If you appreciate that, I guess you appreciate paying higher taxes all the time as we also see our wages falling and the value of the US dollar falling. I believe we need to be a little more cautious with such spending, especially right now.

[sgornick]

Unanimous? EVERY SINGLE senator felt that this problem was severe enough to warrant worth spending $1 million dollars multiplied by 1,000 times?

That is like funding a border patrol agent every so often along the entire three thousand mile border with Canada because illegal drugs are making it through. It will have the same effect -- sure it may catch a couple violators too stupid to go where the agents aren't, but it won't hardly deter nonetheless eliminate the problem.

But I cannot get past the numbers .. ONE BILLION DOLLARS?

[loserguy3000]

I'm not supporting dissemination of child pornography here, but consider this. The courts have found repeatedly and without fail that downloading child porn for 'research purposes' does not constitute a valid or legal reason to obtain or otherwise view such material.

With the Operation Fairplay software, a government agent would then have to actively download the alleged file in order to determine its validity. Its not as though it was randomly obtained, or the result of a legal subpoena. This implies that in order to even consider a crime, a crime must be perpetrated in order to indicate a crime has taken place.

Again, if a DoJ or otherwise sanctioned officer is allowed to download and view child porn without explicit permission to do so (which is prohibited under current law), what legal ramifications would this have for others hoping to study the epidemic? Scholars? Psychologists?

[rsnic]

They gotta stop appropriating money out of thin air, this will add to the inflation of the US money supply(already out of control) and pedophiles will adapt quickly. They might as well burn the money.

[Dr. Kardasz]

Supporting the Combating Child Exploitation Act of 2007

Dr. Frank Kardasz, May 17, 2008

The Combating Child Exploitation Act of 2007 will provide funding to fight Internet sex offenders in areas where support is desperately needed. Historically, the success of the DOJ, OJP, ICAC Task Force program was due in part to the abilities of personnel at the local, state and federal levels to overcome egoism, empire-building, and jealousy in order to organize and cooperate towards the common goal of apprehending deviant offenders. Since the programs' inception, some quietly dedicated and talented people who possess steadfast resolve to protect children have done some amazing work, mostly in the shadows of cyberspace and largely unnoticed by the community. Administrators at the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention played an important role in these efforts.

My thoughts about the Combating Child Exploitation Act of 2007 are mixed. It represents bright hope towards progress in our difficult endeavors against clandestine cyber-sex enemies, foreign and domestic. If implemented, the Act will seek justice for those invisible child and teen victims who are marginalized; who have no political voice and who are unrecognized by traditional community based policing efforts. The addition of more federal agents dedicated specifically to this battle is sorely needed. Increased funding to the local ICAC Task Forces nationwide promises to permit more personnel, training and equipment to our understaffed, under trained and under equipped colleagues.

When the US Attorneys Office created Project Safe Childhood a couple years ago, I was pleased to see that added attention was being given to the problem of Internet crimes against children. The predictable result of the increased attention included some inter agency jockeying, bruised feelings, and political maneuvering - that happens at every level of government. After the fallout, the law enforcement soldiers in this battle will regroup and press forward.

The fine work of local, state and federal law enforcement over the past ten years has resulted in enough attention being drawn to the subject that serious consideration is finally being given to horrible cybercrimes involving children. Although our numbers and resources are still far fewer that those of the criminals, the present initiative, the Combating Child Exploitation Act (S.1738), offers our best hope to date of progressing from the stone-age to the horse-drawn-carriage age of cybercrime enforcement.

Assuming that the bill passes the house and is approved, I hope that whoever is chosen as special counsel will be a non-partisan supporter of local, state and federal efforts. The position requires a person of high character and determined resolve. The appointee should transcend political ladder-climbing ambitions and be someone deeply rooted in law enforcement. The appointee should remember that although the power-base will be Washington DC, some of the most effective law enforcement efforts are still being made at the state and local levels nationwide.

It is important to remember that federal law does not grant enforcement responsibility for "hands-on" contact sex offenses to federal agents unless there is some interstate nexus. Because many cyber criminals are also contact offenders the investigations must often be worked cooperatively between federal agents and local law enforcement. The important local, state and federal partnerships established through the DOJ OJJDP ICAC Task Force Program must continue.

I support the initiative and hope that it passes.

see also : http://kardasz.org/blog/2008/04/investigating_internet_crimes_2.html

Information about the Child Exploitation Act of 2007: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=main&bill=s110-1738

[johnalphonse-22167694933540745]

Children will eat candy until their teeth rot out too. An undeveloped mind needs, requires the guidance of adult, developed minds. Cultures that do not see this need are not very enlightened or advanced as evidenced by several other of their practices. And just because an entire culture agreed upon something doesn't make it right. You are in effect saying that killing Jews during WWII or ANYONE else in a similar was okay as long as the entire culture within agreed upon it.

You are definitely free to express your own, opposite opinion on this - and I applaud you for publicly displaying your own ignorance! Sincerely, thank you!

[johnalphonse-22167694933540745]

1) Senators would love us to think that the INTERNET is the place where child porn was born, for creep's sake! They would love to draw the attention away from themselves and the CATHOLIC AND OTHER RELIGIOUS PRIESTS who have been destroying lives for their own pleasure and means. You are showing your lack of understanding of this situation to actually condone child sex abuse, and it is disappointing to see this level of ignorance in the year 2008. PUT THE BILLION into other OFF-LINE programs, because this is total HORSE TURD to BLAME THE INTERNET when this activity has been gong on for centuries behind closed doors IN THE REAL WORLD, in YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD and maybe even in your own house and you have no idea. *Where was the billion to help out when priests in Portland, MAINE at Cheverus High School and in BOSTON were outed? Those who exposed the pedophiles and abusers of young high-school boys were ostracized, minimized, ignored and scorned. What a sick shame. Some people related to politics actually ran to the aid of a 30-year teacher/coach who was a perpetrator and DELIBERATELY tried to flush kids' lives down the tooilet if they didn't respond favorably to his advances. This is all FACT and I will back every single word of it. My name is not hidden, go for it, Google me if you are able stand the truth.

2) Children will eat candy until their teeth rot out too. An undeveloped mind needs, requires the guidance of adult, developed minds. Cultures that do not see this need are not very enlightened or advanced as evidenced by several other of their practices. And just because an entire culture agreed upon something doesn't make it right. You are in effect saying that killing Jews during WWII or ANYONE else in a similar was okay as long as the entire culture within agreed upon it.

You are definitely free to express your own, opposite opinion on this - and I applaud you for publicly displaying your own ignorance! Sincerely, thank you!

3) Rape is not about sex; child sex abuse is NOT about sex. People still don't seem to reailze this, so I'm asking you all to do some real-life research and start talking to those whose lives hve been damaged by the psychological and physical intimidation that accompanies these behaviors. The we as a humanity can act correctly and positively toward change.

[johnalphonse-22167694933540745]

the level of ignorance in these blog comments is also alarming and people with no experience with sexual abuse ought to opt out and start doing some reading and discussing.

[malcarada]

These Senators have no clue what worries people, and it certainly isnt some stupid pixels on the screen, about time the started to invest the money in the real crime and not the thought crime

[chuck_whealton]

I have to say that it makes me ill reading some of these comments where people are saying it's a waste of money to fight scum who take advantage of children.

Then, we have one guy who thinks it's flat out alright, as long as they (children) agree?

What a sad world. I'm glad they're going to allocate the funding and I hope they allocate more.

[humanssssss]

"I hope they allocate more", I hope you put all your money into it. There are people who are a strong supporters of this and never put in a dime. Put your money where your mouth is. I don't support this cause.

People who show revolt should donate their money to the police officers for enforcement. I wish them luck, because it's their money.

When you run out of money, I swear, you will sell your mom for food. Don't be a hypocrite when it comes down to "saving our children". The children don't need save. The people who need saving are the idiots like you who spouts things that you don't follow up with your money.

[hal Summers]

I believe steps should be taken to protect children from those sick bastards who would prey on them. My brother-in-law used to work with the FBI in apprehending these people. More often then not they would be looking to meet an underage kid for sex. It was more than just looking at sick pictures.

The drug war is a different story. This is money wasted and the government is only spending so much because the law enforcement and prison lobby pushes so hard to it. That $80 billion dollars is going into someone's pocket. I would imagine that the drug cartels and gangs would also not want to see that drug war end because that would be the end of THEIR profits. Do people die from drugs? Of course. Have you ever heard of Vioxx?

If just hemp were legal we could create ethanol from it and be off foreign oil. It uses no pesticides, fertilizer and little water. It is a weed, after all. Plus, the oxygen created by the growing plant would help counteract climate change. And if pot were legal a lot of people could get off expensive and far more dangerous drugs. But why aren't these things legal? Too many people--the oil companies, law enforcement, and big pharma--would lose too much money.

Protecting children should be the government's job. Protecting the profits of big business should not.

[humanssssss]

The reason why you advocate this because you don't understand the psychology behind people who rape, people who prey on kids, etc. The fact that we make prostitution illegal is restriction that leads to more rape. The fact that you put more restriction on people, the alternative will only be worse. People like you need to take biology and psychology to understand the very nature of human.