Comments on: FBI wants widespread monitoring of 'illegal' Internet activity

Director says he wants laws to give FBI power to monitor private-sector networks, going beyond existing system that conducts surveillance of .gov networks.

[spothannah]

"Wants Monitoring"

My guess is that we are already being monitored. Someone, who is interested in appearances, just realized it might look better if they had "legal" authorization to do so. Do you think you're not being monitored now? I read somewhere that only about 10% of the known murders in the U.S. are solved to the point of going to prison. Most murderers are very unstable people who are emotionally bankrupt and a bit impulsive. A few illegal monitorings of internet traffic have been discovered. Do you think that these internet perpetrators don't have big money, lots of technology, plenty of time to consider and plan, etc. etc.? My guess is the crime is going on all the time right under our feet but how would you know about it? Making it "legal" is an afterthought.

[Renegade Knight]

Do it the old fashioned way

Get a warrent and Honor the bill of rights. If they want to monitor everone they should monitor their own ranks and arrest everone who's not a saint. Then decide if they really want to arrest 90% of us for being real.

[telestarnext]

Stop Crying - It's ok

Let em monitor, who cares. I can be easily traced over the net. Don't like being monitored, go dark. Heck even Fidonet had alternate nets that where compatible. Oh, and if you Really want to be anon. Change your Alias often (or use MANY)

[Andy kaufman]

If you really want to be anonymous

#1 use Tor or *** to hide your IP and use a network of proxy servers.

#2 Use Freenet instead of the Internet.

#3 Take a laptop to free Wifi networks and let all of the Internet traffic go to a cyber cafe IP not your house.

#4 Only download open source and free software via P2P file sharing networks and then sue if they claim you are doing something illegal.

#5 Use Bittorrent software like Frostwire that has encryption and compression to fool most Anti-P2P monitoring services.

#6 Go dark, go off of the Internet. They cannot monitor you if you go off the grid.

#7 Some old Legacy BBSes still offer free Internet access for users via dial-up modems.

#8 Use a Free Internet provider and enter an alias instead of your real name to get dial-up access. Then dial in via public telephone lines that have public access, like for reporters.

#9 Get a shortwave radio that has Internet access via shortwave, hard to trace you if you live on a boat that keeps moving around and only connects via shortwave radio.

#10 Only get on the Internet via libraries and other public access. Take short courses at community colleges that are cheap, as long as they allow you to use their computer lab Internet access for free.

[chash360]

In detail its a complete farce.

The Einstein system they are talking about is not much more than a packet sniffer, tracking packet addresses and ports. Not much more than turning on the logging capabilities in most high end routers.

Not to say this action is not cause for concern, but this time it appears to be someone in Homeland Security wanting huge amounts of money for something that they already have and did not have to pay for.

Someone is just lining their pockets, the spying has been occuring for quite sometime.

Still it should not be allowed nor should the money for it be granted, because we know not one bit of it will actually prevent any other terrorist activities or events.

Don't get me wrong, they are looking for more terrorists, but not stop them, to scare you out of more freedoms and rights.

[Andy kaufman]

Old News

Bill Clinton already implemented this during his eight years in office.

It was called Carnivore and Magic Lantern. Carnivore was the server attached to each ISP to monitor traffic, and Magic Lantern was the virus spyware that infected Windows systems and captured keystrokes and passwords and other information.

The DOJ let Microsoft off of the hook in exchange for leaving a back door open in NT 4.0 and future versions of Windows so the NSA can break into any Windows based system and inspect it. Someone leaked the NSA key to the Internet back in 2000, 2001, and hackers and crackers use it to infect systems with because it bypasses security and allows administrator access.

Bill Clinton even did warentless wiretapping as well.

Nothing George W. Bush is doing or the current federal government is doing is new anyway, most of it Clinton did in secret during the 1990's up until he left office. Just that Bush made it more transparent and didn't try to cover it up like Clinton did.

[sandkicker]

Minor Rants

probably 95% of the American public has no knowledge of what is happening to their rights,
nor the future ramifications, as governtment puts a blind fold on Miss Liberty, the Bill of Rights and
the Constitution, all in the name of having Americas best interests at heart.

The average American is more concerned about gas prices, and food shortages, caused by speculators in
the market place driving the costs in futures buying. We should be worried about who is doing all the
speculation, is it being driven up for a purpose. People to worry about what hits them close to home
and they are just likely to overlook and miss the real threats to our security and freedom. We have
become a society that believes every bit of drivel that is fed to us by so called neocons.

We sell weapons to third world countries and in a few years they turn on us, politicians do not learn lessons
very well, they continue to make the same dumb mistakes over and over.

We provide intelligence and monitary support to various countries, and some of those same countries provide
that same info to our enemies or make pacts with them (and the money we give them is money we have
borrowed from other countries).

It seems government entities are more concerned with spying on America in general and ensuring we dont
look at porn, than they are about stopping crime (but I guess fighting porn or helping the RIAA is easier).

We say Dems are to to liberal, they support gay rights, abortion, gun ownership etc and unfortunately maybe
a little to much eco-friendly venues.

But
Republican conservatives would like to see prayer in school (what happened to freedom from and of religion)
they would like nothing better than to burn or outlaw books that do not cater to their way of thinking. (Guess
they are Gods judge and jury). They tend to forget that their freedom ends where mine begins. What
consenting adults do is no ones bussiness but thiers.

guess I'll stop ranting before I really say something I shouldnt.

PS, yes I am a republican, but its the republican party that is no longer republican.
so I guess I am really a Democraticly Independent Republican.

==
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes
are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded
rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but
without understanding."
Justice Louis Brandeis, 1928

[suyts]

Not minor.....

A little off though....I'm sure you meant to say most Dems oppose gun ownership. You know there is nothing in the Constitution that comes close to stating that you have a freedom FROM religion. You have a freedom of religion. Not from. There's a huge difference today. I don't know any Rep. that actually wishes to burn books. (True, there are some that engage in burning periodicals such as OUI and the NY and LA Times, but they are devoid of any intellectual merit, so who cares. :-) I agree "their freedom ends where mine begins". Now if we could just get our liberal friends to abide by that thought we'd all be just fine. Or at the very least have cheaper coal fueled electricity.
Seriously though, here's the problem. We know there are several people engaged in plans to do us harm. You, me and the rest of our countrymen. We also know one of the vehicles they are using is the internet. Myself and many others, Dem and Rep alike, value our people, our land, our nation so much as to wish to stop these people wishing us harm, by almost any means necessary. This a quandary. I would prefer another way but no alternatives have presented itself. I posted this earlier in the discussion but it bears repeating.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly
inadequate to the government of any other.
Adams, John

Seems he was prophetic. God help us all.

[pearlnpeter]

You are no Republican

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly
inadequate to the government of any other.
Adams, John

You have some opinions all good Americans would get behind, but some that no good American can tolerate. You lose all credibility when you say you're Republican after your very revealing rant.

[johnkrog]

FBI Monitoring

I don t really care what kind of information FBI wants about me. Anyway, why don t they send me a questionary ?

I ll be happy to give them all the info they want. I ll even tell them how deep my a..hole is to.

CC FBI to

JK

[fred dunn]

What's illegal to the FBI?

And how do they determine whether an illegal activity is occurring? By monitoring all traffic at the Major ISP's and using filters.

So all traffic gets monitored, so what's new? They have been monitoring all telephone calls in a similar manner with Echelon for years.

But what will happen is that if an individual gets on the FBI's wrong side they will create "illegal activity" on your IP.

[fred dunn]

Maybe they need more monitoring?

Put the shoe on the other foot at a personal level (ie; family communications) and I'll bet they won't like that.

[911truthdotorg]

9/11 TRUTH Will Stop ALL of This!

Question: When did all this fascist, anti-American, Gestapo-like insanity begin?
Answer: Sept 11, 2001

OK. Now suppose, just suppose, that the governments "official" story of 9/11 is an absolute, total LIE. That the only truth about that day is that 3,000 people were brutally murdered.

What happens, then, to the governments "rationale" for all of their activities since then to keep us "safe"? What if their "global war on terror" is also a fabrication based on these same lies?

It collapses like a house of cards.

And this is why the government is fighting the 9/11 Truth Movement tooth and nail because the truth is their greatest enemy!

Please research 9/11 Truth and watch these Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition and Final Cut, Terror Storm

www.911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org

[Truth be told]

FBI wants monitoring of all Internet activity

FBI wants widespread monitoring of 'illegal' Internet activity...Hitler would be very proud of
Robert Mueller and the rest of US secret government owned by israel.
A discusded American that once searved proudly overseas when drafted many years ago and is now ashamed of the once United (now divided) States of America. People divided from israeli controlled US government. Maybe WW2 was not worth fighting after all. All it got us is from one (NAZI) barbaric government to another (israeli)barbaric controlled US government.

[D3vildog699]

What happens with Bank pages and such? A lot of people do their banking online... i dont want the Feds looking at any of my bank pages, as its none of the business.

I don't care if the know what porn sites im going to. Pfftt....

Just stay away form my Bank pages.

[Keith_Richard_Radford_Jr]

Look the Supreme Court just ruled on sex offender laws where some factions of our government think by some inert reasoning that sex offender should be quarantined like some virus steaming from draconian/Islamic law sex offenders should be executed. I have seen for myself, video taken in another country where a sex offender is placed on a pole much like the Catholics use to use a pyramid shaped object and have them sit on it and spin, the pole travels through the body looking for the throat but if not found its ok cause the sharpened end of the pole will come out somewhere. The heritage of the act is in its self a throwback to troglodyte?s who are so obsessed with sex they can find that the way to deal with the issue is as revolutionary, as war, and two wrongs don?t make a right but has in fact called up deep rooted issues of people who have had to put up with this kind of "hierarchy" of historic hysteria far to long. A word taken from hysterectomy, hysteria is tied to castration used to make animals less threatening right? Good old Monty Hall. Well no wonder it?s wrong, right?

Anyway we are supposed to be the most advanced nation and we still have a death penalty when the rest of the world except for nations we are still warring with, {think!} While other nations went home our weapons dealers and torture lovers support death simply because they don?t know how to get money with out taking it from someone by force that includes mutilations

The truth about the sex offender registry will come out soon enough. When it does, People will see how the use of the registry was created, and by exactly who and why and the devastation it has created and the worthlessness of the use it. It?s origin in the Crow laws that brought disgrace to our nation allowing thieves and murderous societal bigots who have trashed any shot at making good of a program in its design to make money destroying our nation and its people. You can not play god and you can not survive using this behavior model because you are compounding the problem.

It's a ruse designed by people who are getting rich off the castration/hysterectomy/health care/physic care of people thrusex laws that have gone bonkers. What about the people who are being used by the Medicare programs that requires these mutilations for both men and woman after they take their means of support? Can't you see? You have created the model and it is worthless! Why don't you just indiscriminately kill people you don't know that?s statically the next sex offender because over 90% of all new offences are people not on the sex offender registry and the numbers are increasing not decreasing so as a behavior model the chumps put together is really screwed up and they were told before they tried it.

The California Lifetime Sex Offender Registry is unsound, unconstitutional, harmful and will end soon. ????

[Keith_Richard_Radford_Jr]

Sex laws have been built on misconceptions and myth.
The Supreme Court just ruled on sex offender laws where some factions of our government think by some inert reasoning that sex offender should be quarantined like some virus steaming from Draconian/Islamic radical view that sex offenders should be executed. I have seen for myself, video taken in another country where a sex offender was placed on a pole much like the Catholics use to use a pyramid shaped object and have them sit on it and spin, the pole travels through the body looking for the throat but if not found its ok because the sharpened end of the pole will come out somewhere to the delight of these very strange people who think such sad thoughts. The heritage of the act is in its self a brutal throwback to violent uneducated people who are so obsessed with any sex they can find & the only way to deal with this kind of "hierarchy" of historic hysteria. A word taken from hysterectomy, hysteria is tied to castration used to make animals less threatening which clearly explains the atmosphere we have made for our selves.
Anyway we are supposed to be the most advanced nation and we still have a death penalty when the rest of the world except for some nations we are still warring with, selling weapons too, {think!} while other nations went home our weapons dealers and torture lovers delighting in support for the death of people they don?t know or want to simply because they don?t know how to get money with out taking it from someone by force. Is that supposed to include mutilations? In my humble opinion that alone are terrorist activities as much as severed hands, ears, heads, or making a case with nothing more than an obsession justified by lies.
The truth about the sex offender registry will come out soon enough. When it does, People will see how the use of the registry was created, and by exactly who and why and the devastation it has created and the worthlessness of the use of it. It?s origin in the Jim Crow hanging laws that brought disgrace to our nation allowing thieves and murderous societal bigots who have trashed any shot at making good of a program in its design to make money destroying our nation and its people. We can not play god and we can not survive using this behavior model because we are compounding the problem since the numbers increasing to include the children they purport to protect.
It's a ruse designed by people who are getting rich off the doctoring, castration/hysterectomy/health care/physic care of people through sex laws that have gone wild. What about the people who are being used by the Medicare programs that requires these mutilations for both men and woman after they take their means of support? Digging around in someone?s genitalia because you want what a weaker nation? Can't you see? You have created the model and it is worthless! Why don't we just indiscriminately kill people we don't know? That is statically the next sex offender, because over 90% of all new offences are committed by someone ?not? on the sex offender registry and the numbers are increasing not decreasing so as a behavior model this is really worthless.
So what is the use of such laws as the sex offender registry other than to terrorize people? With the murder of so many sex offenders and the continued disregard for life by the use of the registry it will be no time at all before the federal government will be held liable for their deaths through federal court.
In a nation where a statement may have a double or triple meaning and our entire linage can be traced through mud, guts, and beer it?s nice once in a while to get the picture of what is meant instead of what some thinks someone may have implied being translated by greed. So it is from the trenches to the hill. Remember the game where someone says something in someone?s ear then passes it the same way to the next; the person advocating such destructive laws are the ones who need to be section 8 by simple brake down of the issue not the sex offenders. Best regards