Comments on: Homeland Security proposes delayed Real ID rollout

Under final rules for the controversial program, states would have until 2017 to issue requisite driver's licenses to their residents. Privacy and civil liberties advocates still aren't happy.

[scdecade]

What does the rule of law say?

How is it the state governors get to decide whether or not they want to comply with this? This is total bunk. Politics is about the politicians and not about the people. Power to the people!

[ethical_h]

The terrorists have won

say good bye to your freedom.

yours,

george w bush

[AmericanMade]

Are you kidding?

Just what freedom are you giving up here? NOT A THING!

Today, you have the freedom to allow all of your taxes to be spent on illegal immigrants. We have the freedom to have our identities stolen from us. Just what freedom are you giving up by having a verifiable means of identification? You must not want people to know you are who you say you are!

The only problem with this system is that it won't be available any sooner that it is.

[Pete Bardo]

It's too late...

to say goodbye to your freedom. It left the building many years ago.

The line, "You only need to worry if you're a criminal," has been around for hundreds of years. If we didn't need to worry, we wouldn't have had a Bill of Rights to begin with.

I'm afraid we've all been bamboozled by this freedom thing. It was a great idea, but we're no longer the leaders in this field either!

Oh, btw, GW isn't the first, nor will he be the last President to allow and encourage erosion of our rights and freedoms. And it's not only Republicans doing it!

[Moslabber]

Learn to adapt

We need to learn to implement change faster than we currently do. Remember the cold war days where we did things fast to protect our country?

[umbrae]

You mean...

to protect our country from irrational fear. There is fast and there is reckless...

[ktmotox]

Politics As Usual

Only three categories of people need be "disappointed" by the forthcoming identification cards ... terrorists, illegal immigrants, and con-men.

We currently have a major problem with identification of US citizens. Citizens of other countries that are not US citizens are successfully registering to vote in our elections. This means that people from other countries are choosing our president, representatives, and senators. This has to be prevented. How do we stop non-US-citizens from registering to vote? I can't travel to France and vote for the French president. I can't travel to Mexico and vote for the Mexican president. Why do we let other people travel to the US and vote for our national leaders?

If you're against RealID, then tell me how would you cure this problem?

[The_Decider]

Red herring

The issue of stopping non-citizens from voting is not why this id method has been proposed.

If you think it will stop this problem, think again.

People are against it because it is unconstitutional and un-American.

[daisy hill]

tell me how REAL ID will prevent ....

We have laws and all types of ID now. We use to use our SS# for ID but we can no longer use it because it may be stolen. Passports are not secure. How is any other type of ID going to prevent stolen identification? IT WONT! They - the 3 types of people it will not stop - will figure a way around the REAL ID! We have gun laws, voting laws, all types of laws...unfortunately ONLY the honest people abide the law. More laws for honest citizens? NO, just more inconvenience for honest citizens and more creative work for the criminals. It all makes sense to me.....GEEZE! What are we doing? WE should be Making Congress do something about the criminals - not inconveniencing all of us taxpaying honest citizens.

[GCI81]

Read ID - adverse effect on legal immigrants.

I recently renewed the driving license and the new card shows the text 'TEMPORARY' at the bottom. When I try to open a credit union checking account, they declined to give the membership because of the word ?TEMPORARY?. This is disappointing. I spoke to my state driving department office, that issued the license and waiting to hear from the office. DHS is suppose to send communication to national wide pertaining to this act and seems none of credit unions are aware of it.

[walleyandthebeev]

Put that GPS chip where???

Another panacea for identification & accountability with no measure for the consequences of those presently here without proper citizenship. With so many "sanctuary cities" and the govs. inability to deal with it's own lack of backbone to enforce present laws, to what end will this new form of ID serve? Who will guarantee that it can't be subject to ID theft? What about the two security stripes? What information will be stored there, GPS? Put that computer chip up someone elses butt!

[mdlap]

How is a National ID card going to prevent terrorism again?

Why do we, Americans, have to carry these cards?
Are WE the imminent threat to our homeland security?

So.. I guess that our goverment has to place it's people under complete surveillance in order to provide 'safety'?

Last time I checked, terrorism threats were coming from abroad... right?

Well then again, Billy Bob from Arkansas is a big man... with a shot gun and some connections.
Ohh yeah, he's danger alright.

Once again. Putting the American people under terror. Man, these poloticians have it down, don't they?

[vnsa]

Papers, Papers. Show me you papers.

Where are your papers?

What next the North American Union? England's citizens struck down a supreme EU power grab in 2005 only to have it return in a measure their leaders refuse to put to a vote. There goes their sovereignty, and so will our sovereignty be lost and our Constitution with it.

[Dalkorian]

thank you

Reading some of the posts from the nazi wanna-be's above was
making me sick.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD PEOPLE - THE TERRORISTS YOU
SHOULD BE FEARING RESIDE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!

If this illegal and immoral regime really cared about 9-11, then
why is Saddam Hussien dead while OBL is running around free as
a freakin bird in Pakistan??? Hello??? How can anyone be this
stupid and still remember to breathe???????

[sfsailor]

what's the problem, don't you have a passport?

If you can get a passport, you wont need another id. Unless you never travel out of the home country. Nowadays , even if you're going to Mexico or Canada, you will need a passport to come back. I guess this will be really unconveneint for folks never leave their homeland. then you can always take Greyhound or Amtrack.

[oconnmic]

Driver's License

Last time I checked the police won't accept my passport if they stop me while I'm driving.

[inachu]

Will need metalic lined wallets.

Will need metalic lined wallets to keep scanners from reading our info while walking in public.

Or something like leather imbued with metalic dust or something.

Remote scanners used by theives is a bad thing.
This will be an article in wired magazine.

[krosavcheg]

What's the problem with current docs?

This argument about new documents preventing terrorists is complete bs. We have secure the documents now. The problem is the issuance. Folks working for DMV, etc that are being paid $12 a hour, when they can get $50 for a issuing a fake name to a real ID.

The documents are REAL folks, the process is flawed. It doesn't take Law School or to be a Politician to understand that. The sooner you people "get it" and see what is coming, the sooner "we" can stop this. Revolt from Americans? Entirely possible the way we are heading...

[oconnmic]

And you thought DMV was bad now!

By July 1, 2009 North Carolina is implementing new rules. Here's just one of them. In the future the name on the driver?s license will have to match the motorist?s name with the Social Security Administration. Since middle initials are not used on NC licenses this is a problem for a motorist whose name on his or her Social Security account includes an initial. The same holds true for women who have their maiden name on file with the Social Security Administration but want their married name on their driver?s license.

Guess what the NC DMV advises? Have your name changed at Social Security. Hope you don't need your license renewed anytime this decade!

[bloggedup]

Ditto oconnmic's comment for New Mexico. Question is: how do we get the word out to the millions of women who kept their maiden name with social security but use their married name on their DLs? They need to be enraged and let their elected officials feel the brunt. And now.

[n3td3v]

The grand master plan!

1. Get real ID (BASIC version) passed.

2. Once everyone finds it socially acceptable its time to move on to get everyone with a chip embedded into their skin.

3. The robotic age begins!!! Arnie watch out!!!

If we accept Real ID thats it!!! The human race is on the footing for being electronically controlled. We must reject we must reject!!! Terminate!!! Eventually we'll have a whole bunch of electroinc chip boards under our skin. This is the first move by our governments in the grand master plan to turn humans into super robots where the mind can be controlled to manipulate a world police agenda spear headed by the united states. If you don't want chipped its time to move to the east who don't support this advancement in man kind. The world has a lot to fear from this its not just Americans who need to worry its everyone in the world.

[Leria]

We should just drop Real ID

and realize that the threat of 'foreign terrorists' is being used in order to get us to give up our rights: our right to not have to tell government where we are going and what for, our right to privacy, etc.

These things that the government is pushing for would make us NO more safe in the long run, and much less safe (from government interference in places they shouldn't be interfering in) in the short and long run.

[oconnmic]

Terrorists, Con-men and Illegal Immigrants

To terrorists, illegal immigrants, and con-men let's add "anyone who values their privacy and freedom"

[budlab]

BREAKING NEWS for news.com

The real reason for the delay is that current ID technology has been made obsolete by a better "worldwide cloud computing" system that is non-racial, non-political, and noon-sexist.
Nobody will need to carry ID cards or Passports.

Inspired by my ex-wife's alienation of our child, the "Laureen Detector" is what I call my proposed technology. Teh solution came to me when I was trying to analyze her "targeting parent" behaviours. My solution is:

LD = iris scanning + BRACE Analysis + rapidly predictive software.

I have suggested a new way to use biometric iris scanning when joined to predictive technology like Russell Smith's BRACE Analysis? Then, make it rapidly predictive with correlation software.

This idea is to apply "rapidly predictive personality tendencies profiling" software based on BRACE Analysis and a paper out of Sweden entitled: "Associations between iris characteristics and personality in adulthood."

"Variable and person-oriented analyses were used to explore the associations between personality and three previously untested general iris
characteristics: crypts, pigment dots and contraction furrows. Personality data, as measured by the NEO PI-R and ratings of iris characteristics from 428 undergraduate students were collected. Crypts were significantly
associated with five approach-related behaviors, i.e., feelings, tendermindedness, warmth, trust and positive emotions, whereas furrows were
associated with impulsiveness.

These findings suggest that because Pax6 enzyme induces tissue deficiencies in both the iris and the left anterior cingulate cortex, Pax6 may influence the extent people engage in approach-related behaviors. The results from using a person-oriented analysis suggested that people with different iris configurations tend to develop along different personality trajectories.
Future longitudinal studies, twin-studies and genetic association studies, may benefit from collecting iris data and testing candidate genes for crypts and furrows. Mats Larssona,, Nancy L. Pedersenb and Håkan Stattina. Department of Behavioral, Social and Legal Sciences, Center for Developmental Research, Örebro University, 701 82 Örebro, Sweden Department of Medical Epidemiology and Biostatistics Karolinska Institutet, Box 281, 171 77 Stockholm, Sweden. February 2007."

RPPTP will be a non-racial, non-religious, non-political "tendency profiling" tool. Simply being able to predict who was likely to do harm
would be a useful tool for agents in the field.

I would also like to see it used in preventing child abuse such as psychological alienation. Perhaps the DHS and NAO need useful applications that also augment utility with all 50 states. One idea combines the BRACE Analysis tool with rapid iris screening to predict terrorist tendencies. An article called "Associations between iris characteristics and personality in adulthood" is available on the web. ( iris characteristics + screening
BRACEAnalysis => more effective agent tools and effective family courts in all 50 states ? ) www.braceanalysis.com

In my life, I view parental alienators as domestic terrorists. The BRACE Character Profile revealed to me the fact that my ex-wife has some mild traits of positive correlation to paranoid, antisocial, and psychopathic tendencies. Prior to this, I thought that she was just antisocial and angry at me for divorcing her in 1992. So, I started thinking about the future of "early detection" of potential abusers. It would also be most useful, as a smart screening tool in the Family Courts of all 50 States. I also need help
in deprogramming my alienated daughter. I hope that the FBI/DHS can assign a behavioral specialist from Quantico to this problem.

Bud Labitan
(Loving Non-Custodial Father.)

[The_Decider]

Why spying on your citizens is wrong

Other then the obvious that the government has no business prying into the lives of its people without probable cause.

And since some of the idiots posting think that if you have nothing to hide, then you should accept it.

What this does is lead to self-censorship. In other words, the right to retain your sense of self.

[Ron Jon 08]

Are they nuts?

If there's no encryption on these cards, they become a
HUGE potential source of identity theft. They could
become a far larger security threat than the problems -
both criminal and terrorist - that these cards are
intended to solve.

[parabola101]

Attention US Citizens

Your rights to liberty & freedom are being violated and you can no longer remain lazy. You must stand up for your rights while you still have them. The current administration is corrupt.

[lookingwoman]

New ID

I absolutely agree with you! The American people are oblivious to what is going on around them! One by one our rights to liberty & freedom are being taken away... covered up by a the terriost scam excuse supported by the media through fear. There are many elders within the US that cannot obtain a birth certificate (ages 70+) because of poor record keeping adverse weather, fires that destroyed thousands of records.. What will happen to these older citizens? Will they be incarcerated as terriost threats?? The writing is on the wall, the people better wake up and take action NOW! Time is of the essence before all is lost!

[armmat]

You Americans deserve it.

You idiots deserve nothing less. How many years has it been that you complete, utter fools have taken it up the wazoo after 9/11.....from believing the government on this whole 9/11 thing to supporting Bush on the massacre of over HALF MILLION Iraqis, to NOT being able to capture Bin Laden (maybe because he works for you jerkoffs?)....and now this...RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSES IN BROAD DAYLIGHT...

You fools deserve nothing less. Next time when you idiots laugh at the French for having so many strikes, rallies, etc...and bring their cities and government to a standstill, maybe you'll stop laughing and start paying attention more. Then again maybe you won't because you've all got ear-muffs and blind folds on...

Yeah...go ahead...keep enjoying your SUV's and 24 hour supermarkets....because that's all your lives are going to boil down to...you pathetic cretins.

[tusks]

Do you realize?

Do you realize that what ever policies of preventing terrorism America utilizes, the rest of the world will adopt? First they will ?Blackmail? their own citizens into getting this ID (EX. If you don?t except this ID, you will not be able to drive, fly, open bank accounts, ship out from sea ports, and eventually buy food from the Supermarkets) and then they will ?Blackmail? the rest of the world or threaten them with war for the excuse of potentially harboring terrorists. This ID card affects more then just the USA. It affects the very foundation of this world and all the nations in it. Eventually everyone will be tracked in a vast universal database controlled by the very people you may call friends. You may try to fight this, but it will still happen, because it is the only way to stop terrorism. To give up our rights will be the only way to stay safe.

[xsilentdooganx]

Out of Control

Wow. First, of all u could probably calm down a little. why don't you propose a solution instead ofacting childish and immature. To say someone deserves misfortune is not the way you should be living your life. I believe we should help the Americans because sooner or later their arrogance will end up on everyones front door!!

[armmat]

Maybe you should look at your own foreign policies

Look at the way you idiots treat people around the world. Look at the way your corporations use other people's lands and lifes as dumping grounds so patriotic fanatics like yourself can justify driving around in living rooms on 4 wheels.

Are you so arrogant to think your actions and policies don't affect the way people think and react to you? Do you honestly think you live in a bubble?

[tusks]

Every man is his own man.

Every man is his own man, and only his actions are to blame. I am sorry for the way my government treats others. I am sorry for the way the corporations of America indulge themselves in their riches with the sweat of the less fortunate people in their own county and in others.