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Measure calls for the most sweeping changes to U.S. patent system in decades, but its path forward could be jeopardized by lingering reservations from other sectors, including venture capitalists and biotech.

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Very bad.
by ralfthedog July 18, 2007 4:20 PM PDT
"...including replacing a system that awards patents to the 'first to invent' with one based on the 'first to file,'..."

If someone else has done it first, you should not get a patent. Prior art is very important. It keeps big companies from coming in and stealing the work of others.

If prior art exists, but the creator has not filed for a patent, no patent should be granted.
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Not entirely right
by sanenazok July 18, 2007 8:49 PM PDT
The "first to file" paradigm works differently than what you describe. The only time it matters is when two people file a patent for the same invention at the same time. Right now, the one who can prove that they invented it first will get the patent. With this reform, the one who filed first would get the patent instead.

Using "first to file" will not allow companies to bypass prior art. Instead, it will help streamline the rare instances where two inventors want to patent the same invention at the same time.

BTW, I thought the US system was the bogeyman of the patent world anyways. Practically ALL of the world uses first to file, so it can't be that bad.

Under first to file, if someone else invented "it" first, then their invention will be used as prior art against the later filing, unless the earlier inventor failed to disclose their work and also failed to get a patent application in. So you see, the first to file system rewards those that try to either publish their inventions asap or patent them (which also results in publication). This is one of the reasons why the world uses this system...
The only patent reform that will protect true innovators
by The_Decider July 18, 2007 5:31 PM PDT
The only way the damage that patents have done to the IT industry to ban software patents and invalidate all current ones.

That will fix this mess once and for all.
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Agree. If software patents remain this law is crap.
by tundraboy July 19, 2007 6:04 AM PDT
Then we can get rid of such foolishness as Amazon's one-click patent.
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"First to File"... Is the part that really scares me...
by Gayle Edwards July 18, 2007 9:52 PM PDT
The sad fact is that, the very companies that are the biggest supporters of "First to File", also happen to be the very companies which, both, have the resources to file, and HAVE the worst record of filing, enormous numbers of patents that are both painfully-obvious (to anyone in the field), and also, are quite often, previously very-widely-used (if previously unpatented) techniques.

Honestly, THIS, is one of the REAL problems with the current "Patent System".

And, frankly the, alleged, "anti-obviousness" and "prior art" restrictions have NOT stopped the filing of huge numbers of such patents... Nor, has it helped invalidate this obscene pilferage of the "public domain". And, in my opinion, "First to File", is just another barrier to invalidating such, clearly, bogus attempts to unfairly abscond with such ideas.

But, then... after observing the Governments priorities for the last few years... I really didnt think that the Federal Government actually would stand-in-the-way of, such, -Big Money Interests- getting exactly what they wanted... no matter how damaging it will be to the tech-industry, the vast majority of true-innovators, or consumers and citizens.

Still... as this marches-on... I cant help but feel, overwhelmingly, disappointed.
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How about rewarding actual discovery, not ideas?
by Dr. StrangeOne July 19, 2007 1:43 AM PDT
It's to easy for con-artists who do nothing but study advances in a particular field to aid in anticipating ideas for a bogus patent idea.

Only those who really invent something revolutionary new that has not been thought of before should be awarded patents. Simply packaging existing known objects or methods into a new patent should never receive protection.

In other words, reward the man who invented the wire, not the man who twisted it into a paper clip because anyone is capable of doing that on their own once shown a wire.
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That's how the system operated
by sanenazok July 19, 2007 5:57 AM PDT
I guess everything old is new again.

At the turn of the century, in order to get a patent you had to show that the inventor had a "eureka moment." The inventor had to show that they greatly differentiated from prior work by an instant stroke of genius.

This proved unworkable very quickly. Especially nowadays it also wouldn't work since most inventions are "boring" and involve improvements over what else is out there as opposed a flash of genius. While there may be too many patents today, under that standard there would be too few. Getting a patent would be too difficult and only big companies would have the resources to prove to the patent office that their employees' work is the product of true discovery and innovation.

This is why the law changed somewhere around the 1920's.
Not feasible
by rapier1 July 19, 2007 8:38 AM PDT
In your example the idea of a 'paperclip' must seem intensely
obvious to you - however you have the benefit of knowing that
something like the paperclip is possible. Think about it - wire
and spring wire have been known for hundreds of years. People
have had the need to bind paper paper together for hundreds of
years but the paper clip was only invented in 1899. Why?
Because it *wasn't* obvious to people for the hundreds of years
preceeding that moment of invention.

The moment of insight - and the resultant work to bring that
insight to the point of feasibility - is what patents protect. They
give people the motivation and financial incentive to invest their
time, resources, and money into the process of innovation.
Why protect them?
by michaelo1966 July 19, 2007 7:20 AM PDT
GE is worried that they'll suffer if US patent protections are eroded??!! Get real. GE especially -- and the rest of them too -- outsource everything they can to the India and China. They vigorously lobby against any law or regulation that gives any type of protection to US interests or US workers but they're asking US lawmakers to protect THEIR interests at the expense (higher-priced goods) of our pocketbooks.

Lawmakers: ask any company that lobbies for increased patent protections what percentage of their workforce is in India, China, or any other country that doesn't respect patent rights and that actively tries to depress US wages and working conditions. If they lie, jail them. If they answer truthfully, tell them to ask China and India for protection.

They should be demanding the Indian and Chinese governments change patent laws: they have no moral right asking for any type of US protection.
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patent reform for infringers
by frankly0 July 19, 2007 7:28 AM PDT
It's impossible to read these "reforms" without immediately concluding that they were effectively written by the infringer lobby.

Yeah, Microsoft and Oracle and all kinds of megacorporations are all in favor of making sure that they can rip off any and all ideas they want with miminal penalties. And, of course, the Open Source crowd is down with that, because stealing someone else's innovation is what makes their nerves jangle.

But how about the actual, well, innovators? You know, the guys and gals who come up with the ideas that these other people get off on thieving? What's in the "reform" for them?

How about squat, and lots of it?
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Exactly! Open Sourcers are Behind this Bogus Change.
by WJeansonne July 19, 2007 10:01 AM PDT
They know they didn't perform a patent audit to see if they are violating it, so they want to change some of the core rules so they can't be sued out of existence. Nice try, but I don't think it will fly.
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A good start--but deeper reforms are needed
by MichaelTiemann July 19, 2007 11:38 AM PDT
With the notable exception of pharmaceuticals, there is no economic evidence that patents have done anything to encourage innovation, although there is a widespread assumption that that is true. Sure, there are great anecdotal stories of inventor X getting rich from the invention Y, but those stories are no more economically compelling than stories about lottery winners. In fact, if you look at the AUTM data from the technology licensing offices of the top 250 US universities, you will find they they spend approx $40 to create licensable technologies for every $1 they receive in revenues. These odds are even worse that my own state's lottery!

So why do Americans insist on believing that the patent system is so wonderful when, across all industries, and particularly across software, it's so bad? Perhaps the same reason we turned to Margerine as a substitute for butter, corn syrup as a substitute for cane sugar, and SUVs as a substitute for a much safer and more practical family car.

I hope that House takes this as a starting point, and continues reforming until we are all free to innovate again!
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Yesss...innovation is good
by bcroner July 22, 2007 6:53 PM PDT
"A group called the Innovation Alliance--which includes representatives from universities, venture capital, biotechnology, nanotechnology and emerging-tech companies--said the committee made no "real progress" Wednesday in addressing its concerns. As drafted, the bill "will significantly erode the patent protections that have driven America's innovation leadership," the organization said in a statement."--

Kind of like calling "anti-rights" "pro-choice," or "slave brainwashing lobbyists" the "Christian Coalition." They are an alliance against innovation. I'd like to address this here statement:

'"will significantly erode the patent protections that have driven America's innovation leadership,"'- Well good. America's innovation leadership should be handed over to the actual inventor himself. No idiot venture capitalist owns what I make. It's my brainchild, it's my leadership. You want something innovative, invent the damn thing yourself. America's current and recent innovation leadership is a bunch of morons who muscle, bully, and blatantly steal inventions to capitalize for themselves.
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non-workers can position themselves elsewhere
by bcroner July 22, 2007 7:03 PM PDT
If a bunch of capitalist crooks insist they sit around and do nothing, but get other people's worlds placed into their outstretched hands, they can sit around and do nothing way the hell away from me. A job is a form of labor. A position isn't necessarily anything of the sort.
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