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Comments on: OfficeMax bids farewell to mail-in rebates

Customer gripes lead office supply chain to dump the lengthy rebate process in favor of in-store discounts.

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Discounts will be less generous, now that everyone gets them
by rpms July 3, 2006 10:24 AM PDT
I didn't say that the discounts would be eliminated, only that they would necessarily be made less generous.

For example, certain items were regularly offered as "free after rebate". You might have paid $10 + tax for a pack of blank CDs, and then been eligible to file for a $10 rebate. It is unlikely that OfficeMax will now begin handing out packs of blank CDs for free, i.e. with no exchange of money at the cash register. The economics of "free after rebate" worked only because some shoppers never bothered to claim their rebates.

Cranks who want the deals but don't want to do the work (filling out the form legibly, attaching the right proof of purchase, keeping copies, and respecting the postmark date) have spoiled it for everyone.
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Sorry, this was a reply to ChazzMatt's "can you read?" posting
by rpms July 3, 2006 10:27 AM PDT
Posted in the wrong spot.
Maybe smaller but definitely more fair
by aabcdefghij987654321 July 5, 2006 6:48 AM PDT
Rebate programs stink, if it were polititions receiving them they'd be called "kickbacks".

Yes you may see fewer and smaller discounts than you did in the past but this way everyone will get them instead of just the obsessive.
Discounts will be less generous, now that everyone gets them
by rpms July 3, 2006 10:24 AM PDT
I didn't say that the discounts would be eliminated, only that they would necessarily be made less generous.

For example, certain items were regularly offered as "free after rebate". You might have paid $10 + tax for a pack of blank CDs, and then been eligible to file for a $10 rebate. It is unlikely that OfficeMax will now begin handing out packs of blank CDs for free, i.e. with no exchange of money at the cash register. The economics of "free after rebate" worked only because some shoppers never bothered to claim their rebates.

Cranks who want the deals but don't want to do the work (filling out the form legibly, attaching the right proof of purchase, keeping copies, and respecting the postmark date) have spoiled it for everyone.
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Sorry, this was a reply to ChazzMatt's "can you read?" posting
by rpms July 3, 2006 10:27 AM PDT
Posted in the wrong spot.
Maybe smaller but definitely more fair
by aabcdefghij987654321 July 5, 2006 6:48 AM PDT
Rebate programs stink, if it were polititions receiving them they'd be called "kickbacks".

Yes you may see fewer and smaller discounts than you did in the past but this way everyone will get them instead of just the obsessive.
Excellent move, OfficeMax!
by July 3, 2006 10:47 AM PDT
I really *hate* the mail-in rebate process. Just discount the price! Lets hope the other big box stores follow suit and get rid of these things.
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Excellent move, OfficeMax!
by July 3, 2006 10:47 AM PDT
I really *hate* the mail-in rebate process. Just discount the price! Lets hope the other big box stores follow suit and get rid of these things.
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Rebate take too long
by xader July 3, 2006 11:45 PM PDT
Rebates take forever and half of them you never get back. Rebates take from 4-6 wks, then to 6-8 and now 8-10 weeks. Months of waiting and something they find someway to say its incomplete.

Personally, I dont like it and trouble with it.
It about time some Retailer get rid of some rebate.
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Rebate take too long
by xader July 3, 2006 11:45 PM PDT
Rebates take forever and half of them you never get back. Rebates take from 4-6 wks, then to 6-8 and now 8-10 weeks. Months of waiting and something they find someway to say its incomplete.

Personally, I dont like it and trouble with it.
It about time some Retailer get rid of some rebate.
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Rebate take too long
by xader July 3, 2006 11:45 PM PDT
Rebates take forever and half of them you never get back. Rebates take from 4-6 wks, then to 6-8 and now 8-10 weeks. Months of waiting and something they find someway to say its incomplete.

Personally, I dont like it and trouble with it.
It about time some Retailer get rid of some rebate.
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Rebate take too long
by xader July 3, 2006 11:45 PM PDT
Rebates take forever and half of them you never get back. Rebates take from 4-6 wks, then to 6-8 and now 8-10 weeks. Months of waiting and something they find someway to say its incomplete.

Personally, I dont like it and trouble with it.
It about time some Retailer get rid of some rebate.
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Rebates are nothing but a scam anyway...
by chuck_whealton July 4, 2006 2:27 PM PDT
All these guys are doing is BETTING that you WON'T mail in your
rebate forms, or they'll look for something you missed. It's
ridiculous and should invite more legal scrutiny.

Just as an example, I ordered a laptop for a sister-in-law from
one of the "big" home computer direct-to-consumer companies.

I immediately downloaded the rebate form.

When it arrived, my sister-in-law filled it out and sent it back,
only to receive a postcard saying they couldn't send her the
rebate because the form was missing a piece of information (the
order number) that wasn't even on the form to begin with. I
mean these people have her name - they know who she is
because she's right there in their system.

I called them on her behalf and was given the runaround. They
told me they couldn't dig up her information without the order
number. Then when I realized it was on the shipping label (the
only place I saw it), they miraculously told me they'de send it to
her, which they did.

What a blasted scam. How many people would have just given
up and said "it's not worth it"?

Rebates need more legal scrutiny. It's just one of the many ways
that consumers get ripped off every single day.

Charles Whealton
Chuck Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
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Rebates are nothing but a scam anyway...
by chuck_whealton July 4, 2006 2:27 PM PDT
All these guys are doing is BETTING that you WON'T mail in your
rebate forms, or they'll look for something you missed. It's
ridiculous and should invite more legal scrutiny.

Just as an example, I ordered a laptop for a sister-in-law from
one of the "big" home computer direct-to-consumer companies.

I immediately downloaded the rebate form.

When it arrived, my sister-in-law filled it out and sent it back,
only to receive a postcard saying they couldn't send her the
rebate because the form was missing a piece of information (the
order number) that wasn't even on the form to begin with. I
mean these people have her name - they know who she is
because she's right there in their system.

I called them on her behalf and was given the runaround. They
told me they couldn't dig up her information without the order
number. Then when I realized it was on the shipping label (the
only place I saw it), they miraculously told me they'de send it to
her, which they did.

What a blasted scam. How many people would have just given
up and said "it's not worth it"?

Rebates need more legal scrutiny. It's just one of the many ways
that consumers get ripped off every single day.

Charles Whealton
Chuck Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
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From someone in the business
by jay.clay July 5, 2006 9:58 AM PDT
1) Rebate companies do not make more money off of invalidating consumers. Typically, the fee charged to the client is larger for a valid submission than an invalid one. Also, much of the time, customer service calls are not charged, so it is in our best interests to make sure the consumer is as happy as possible.

2) While it used to be a more common thing of manufacturers putting together hoops to fill out rebates, it isn't anymore. As the article states, rebates are a huge customer service resource drain if they're not done with the consumer's ease in mind. At this point, the extra things that need to be done for a rebate (sending in original paperwork, UPCs, etc), is to minimize fraud. Fraud still happens (I've seen the same rebate in the same handwriting to different addresses to which we fulfill), but without this rudimentary checking, it would mean the overall promotion being more expensive, and in turn, less money to the consumer in future promotions.

3) One of the posters was right in that flat discounts at the register = less of a discount than if it was ran with a rebate. Not only will a considerable amount of people not turn in their rebate (thereby passing the savings to the ones that do), there are demographic reports and possible advertising opportunities given to the manufacturer that they'd otherwise have to pay for (which can be very expensive). Even though many opt out of getting future promotions, it's still a big payoff for the manufacturer in the long run, which gives them more of a budget to again pass those savings to the consumer.

4) Then there's the fact that with a rebate, there are flat-out more sales. A manufacturer will get more sales advertising "$80 with a mail-in rebate" than they will a flat $90 (which is a pretty accurate ratio of what they could do with a $100 item). More sales = making more money = a larger rebate given. There are a few retailers and manufacturers that have broken away from rebates, only to come back later because of their appeal.
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From someone in the business
by jay.clay July 5, 2006 9:58 AM PDT
1) Rebate companies do not make more money off of invalidating consumers. Typically, the fee charged to the client is larger for a valid submission than an invalid one. Also, much of the time, customer service calls are not charged, so it is in our best interests to make sure the consumer is as happy as possible.

2) While it used to be a more common thing of manufacturers putting together hoops to fill out rebates, it isn't anymore. As the article states, rebates are a huge customer service resource drain if they're not done with the consumer's ease in mind. At this point, the extra things that need to be done for a rebate (sending in original paperwork, UPCs, etc), is to minimize fraud. Fraud still happens (I've seen the same rebate in the same handwriting to different addresses to which we fulfill), but without this rudimentary checking, it would mean the overall promotion being more expensive, and in turn, less money to the consumer in future promotions.

3) One of the posters was right in that flat discounts at the register = less of a discount than if it was ran with a rebate. Not only will a considerable amount of people not turn in their rebate (thereby passing the savings to the ones that do), there are demographic reports and possible advertising opportunities given to the manufacturer that they'd otherwise have to pay for (which can be very expensive). Even though many opt out of getting future promotions, it's still a big payoff for the manufacturer in the long run, which gives them more of a budget to again pass those savings to the consumer.

4) Then there's the fact that with a rebate, there are flat-out more sales. A manufacturer will get more sales advertising "$80 with a mail-in rebate" than they will a flat $90 (which is a pretty accurate ratio of what they could do with a $100 item). More sales = making more money = a larger rebate given. There are a few retailers and manufacturers that have broken away from rebates, only to come back later because of their appeal.
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It's About Time!
by gumbawakka July 6, 2006 1:08 PM PDT
I just submitted a so-called "Easy Rebate" online to Staples.com. I had the receipt, the offer number, etc etc. They then declared my $50 rebate "invalid" for reasons I cannot fathom. I am within the time limit, I bought the product at their store, I submitted the rebate correctly, etc. I simply am switching my company's business to Office Max as of this date. To Hell with Staples and Hooray for Office Max!
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It's About Time!
by gumbawakka July 6, 2006 1:08 PM PDT
I just submitted a so-called "Easy Rebate" online to Staples.com. I had the receipt, the offer number, etc etc. They then declared my $50 rebate "invalid" for reasons I cannot fathom. I am within the time limit, I bought the product at their store, I submitted the rebate correctly, etc. I simply am switching my company's business to Office Max as of this date. To Hell with Staples and Hooray for Office Max!
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Rebate Ripoff
by ntytuld1 November 28, 2006 11:50 AM PST
Rebates =

A company agrees to sell a product at a specific price, but when purchased, requires you to give them more money than that specific sale price in ordere for you to take delivery of their product.

They in turn keep your money, earn more on the daily account balance which YOUR money is earning for them.

Then your lucky if they send it back to you.

Rebates should be discontinued by law!

Great Job OfficeMax.
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Rebate Ripoff
by ntytuld1 November 28, 2006 11:50 AM PST
Rebates =

A company agrees to sell a product at a specific price, but when purchased, requires you to give them more money than that specific sale price in ordere for you to take delivery of their product.

They in turn keep your money, earn more on the daily account balance which YOUR money is earning for them.

Then your lucky if they send it back to you.

Rebates should be discontinued by law!

Great Job OfficeMax.
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Rebate Ripoff
by ntytuld1 November 28, 2006 11:53 AM PST
Rebates =

A company agrees to sell a product at a specific price, but when purchased, requires you to give them more money than that specific sale price in ordere for you to take delivery of their product.

They in turn keep your money, earn more money on their account balance at their bank, WITH YOUR money! What a great deal that is!

AND your lucky if they send it back to you.

ALL Rebates offers should be discontinued by law!

Great Job OfficeMax!
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Rebate Ripoff
by ntytuld1 November 28, 2006 11:53 AM PST
Rebates =

A company agrees to sell a product at a specific price, but when purchased, requires you to give them more money than that specific sale price in ordere for you to take delivery of their product.

They in turn keep your money, earn more money on their account balance at their bank, WITH YOUR money! What a great deal that is!

AND your lucky if they send it back to you.

ALL Rebates offers should be discontinued by law!

Great Job OfficeMax!
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