Comments on: Are people more polite in virtual worlds?

Virtual reality pioneer Jaron Lanier theorizes that people behave better in the alternate digital realm than in blogs or chat rooms.

[furrier]

Second Life is useless

Nobody cares about Second Life except for a small handful of people. Why does Cnet insist on writing stories about it? There isn't even anything remotely interesting about it. Is Cnet being paid or given kickbacks for repeated press?

[play7]

Your have a point

Because the have Lindens working from cnet. Nice way to draw attention right? Not many real users in the game of Second Life anymore. Only people looking to make money. Don`t let the number of users fool you. There are not even clost to 8 million users. Only 1 million ( HAHA maybe ) reset are just alts or 3rd 4th 5th etc etc etc.
"SL" doesnt mean Second Life. Its mean "Stupid Life" with "Stupid People"

[Chiatzu]

More to lose

If someone is taking months to develop a character, buying it
clothes, gaining experience or property, etc., than yes. Being polite
will benefit you, and help to prevent you from getting the boot due
to other people complaining about you. In chat rooms and blogs,
it's not a big deal to drop one persona and reappear as another. I
think the degree of polite and good behavior is directly related to
what people have to gain or lose with that persona. That said, an
amount of your real personality will inevitably leak through from
the real world to the virtual world.

[GGGlen]

Only more polite

They're only more polite because there's no "One Key B**ch Slap
Button" option.
Mark my words... if the repeated tapping of the "B" key let you
"reach out and touch someone", this story would never have been
written.

;-)

[ip_fresh]

Avatar on messengers?

Time was that the word "avatar" meant the earthly manifestation of a god. You might have also used it to describe an archetype. But in the earliest days of the Internet ? back in the 1980s, when no one was looking ? an avatar became one's digital self.

Regards,
Mihai
http://www.GigaOnline.ro
(200 Gb file hosting)

[koster_jay]

Virtual Manners

I challenge the advocacy group to come study some of the other virtual worlds on the market today. I'm talking about the MMOs.

WoW, Lineage 2, Everquest (1&2), etc.

I cannot speak for the others, but the community in Lineage 2 is excessively filled with vitriol and aggression. Perhaps it comes from the fact that the game itself is a player versus player environment, with very few restrictions, but that attitude carries over into the community.

It's almost disheartening for someone who actually tries to have manners.

[songtexte32]

no no no

Luckily for us, we happened to have followed tip #1 enough to pick up on this little subtlety before we behaved like buffoons: Indian people are very polite.

Westerners want to get to the point immediately. That can be very dehumanizing of us, and ignoring the pleasantries can be downright insulting even if we don't mean it that way. Conversations open with discussions about health and family. If time is a factor, plan for it. An insulted tech rarely gives the job their best effort. Kindness could save your business!

Markito - http://www.songtexte32.com/interpreten/peter-gabriel/index.php
http://www.songtexte32.com/interpreten/picture-house/index.php

[J-Man71]

I don't agree

While I have met many nice, polite people in Second Life, a lot of people seem to use the anonymity in Second Life to assault and harass people. Phillip Rosedale need just stay in any one of Second Life's 4 sandbox simulators to see this.

[Len Bullard]

Measure the Stimulus Response Strength

The theory is the onset cues in the simulation stimulate the behaviors in the human brain (any mammal brain really).

1. The cues of 3D systems are stronger than in flatter communications media such as chat or text only. How strong is what one would study and measure.

2. List behaviors tend to coalesce around the behaviors of the dominant personalities on the lists. It is feedback mediated behavior. Monkey see Monkey Do. Monkey outdo.

There is a lot of wishful thinking in that conference conversation. Lanier is pleased that some are finding a use for VR and he may not have to pay out the prize money. Rosedale wants to continue the hype stimulation of his business and I wish him well. Wladavsky-Berger as a retired IBMer wants to see Palimpsano's money well spent and WB bet it on Second Life. All in all, it is a local consensus of personalities that VR is good business in search of a motivation for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But Rosedale is right that these are early days, the second emergence of 3D on the web. We know quite a bit based on the first emergence in VRML worlds such as Cybertown where the real pioneering work was done. People ARE polite if the majority and the dominant personalities are polite. If a flame war breaks out and any of the dominant players join, their posts will make or break the wave (remember: feedback mediated). The style or purpose of the world (JOI is adult; behaviors tend to reinforce adult conversations about adult topics) drives the topics and the topics act as the stimuli (think S/R paradigm) so the reinforced responses are quite predictable.

IOW, yes, 3D does add to the stimulus repetoire and if modulated correctly, there is an increase in civil behavior. How strong a reinforcer it is is unknown and unmeasured critically. Someone at IBM will get around to that soon I suspect.

And we wait to see those results.

[smilin:)]

ORLY? What is this then...

That opinion is utter crap. People in email frequently say things they would never say over the phone or in person. People behave in online worlds in ways that would likely get them physically injured in the real world.

Seriously if someone was writing this article I would be saying something like, "mm, I'm not really sure it works that way." Instead here I opening by saying it's "utter crap". Who's going to do anything about it. I suppose if I went of the deep end cnet would censor this post but the way it's written now I doubt they will. Rudeness is expected on the internet, as is poor sportsmanship in online games.

[HeightOfland]

I guess they have never actually played an MMO

As a former Gamemaster I know that people use the anonymity of MMOs to act like total *****. Then try to use the 'Free Speech' crap to hide behind. Have you actually read what the 1st Amendment says? Give me a break. American MMO players are almost as bad at international PR for the US as GW is. There are almost as many nasty international players out there too. But at least they don't threaten to sue you whenever you try to enforce the Code of Conduct.

[Dean_Ansari]

Virtual meetings yes - Virtual worlds no

What is the value of being in a so called Virtual world to have a meeting? Why be represented as a heky jerky Avatar to have a meeting!
What is the value in that? The value in a Virtual meeting (aka Web Conferencing) is to enable people to meet from around the world and be able to talk with via Voice, share applications (i.e., Web browser, Powerpoint, etc.) and to be able
to instantly attend such meetings, that means not having to download a software but being able to do so via ones Web browser only. Things that 2nd life cannot do AT ALL, but a software product such as eAuditorium can, FYI here:
www.eAuditorium.com
So why Hype 2nd life when it offers so little real tools for Web meetings when a product such as eAuditorium has been around for more than 5 years, it offers Web meeting capabilities such as Voice conferencing & Application Sharing that 2nd life does not and it is free too, all you pay is for support!!! Why?
Except as others have noted here Cnet has a stake to hype 2nd life because it is silicon valley VC funded and to ignore other products such as the much more superior eAuditorium because it is not silicon valley VC funded.

And about crowd control & being polite, eAuditorium also provides the meeting conductor (Moderator) with total control over the meeting, which is the ONLY way to ensure real business class (productive) meetings. And if you want to attend Virtual worlds to play games and not have a business meeting, then you would want to go to a place such as World of Warcraft which
offers real 3D worlds with shootem up games.

[roomancer]

are you joking?

Just because language filters and such are used... it does nothing to stop jerks bent on making everyone else miserable... in the Real World or in virtual life sims like SecondLife or Moove. The only distinct difference is that you can block / ignore / report trouble makers alot easier without too much fear of retaliation. Of course that only goes so far when a jerk can simply create a new account and continue the attack.

[zzarkov]

yes, they are

But both users and developers still have to learn how to make and use 3D technology for the web. Virtual Worlds are not games, those are playgrounds. It is up to users to create and obey the rules.

zarkov

[play7]

Just alot of load mouth Real Life morons!

I just love it!!!!!!!!! If anyone body been in Second Life? They tell you BOMBS, GUNS, BOOOBIES, ***** etc........Now tell me this? If people are not attacking you with weapons, or sexually insulting you with their sexual parts. I say Second Life is a wonderful place! Rude? well I say 80% of the users are. Don`t ever pay for this play on Second Life..... Just don`t take anything serious.

[MSCEngland]

Here's the Proof

Well, some of the comments here in this talkback just prove the point! Yes people in SL are in general pretty polite compared to forums and chat rooms. But that only applies to text or voice communication. Because it's a 3D virtual world there are plenty of other things you can do that others might find offensive. Hey if you don't like seeing boobies, stay off the nude beach.