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reader articles such as these over professional tech reviews any
day. I don't care what the analysts think; what the MS, Sony and
Nintendo execs think; I care about what the gamer is going to
think.
So I say to you, CNET, brava! This was a welcome, down-to-
earth reprieve from all the analysis reports we've been getting
lately.
And to you, egbas, it sounds like you're just a PS3 hater, which
of course is a choice you're allowed to make, but still - do you
honestly have a problem with real gamers writing about their
real experiences? If so, maybe you shouldn't frequent sites such
as CNET.
This would have been approprate as a blog, but not a news article.
Then the reviewer says that the high-def graphics of the PS3 are cool but creepy.
After saying that the reviewer concludes that the PS3 will do great. Why would anybody spend twice as much for a machine that's difficult to learn, that has more expensive games, and the creeps out users? I'm not a PS3 hater or a Wii lover -- I don't even play games much -- but it sounds like Nintendo has produced a much better platform for all but the "high-end" gaming crowd.
I think the Wii will win out: just because I think everyone (non-gamers, 360 owners, PS3 owners) will have one based upon its price and innovation.
article you were reading. First, at no point did the author state
the the Wii was easier to learn. Nor did he claim it was more fun
to play. He also did not write that the Sony rep had to teach him
how to use the controller. Even cursory reading shows that what
was said was that a rep showed him how to use advanced
features of the motion controller. With no obvious motion
analogy, this will be true of ANY controller for any game more
complicated than simple point and shoot or golf simulations.
Neither is the motion controller necessary on all Wii games, so
this contention is irrelevant, as well as erroneous.
Also, the review never claims that the PS3 graphics are "creepy."
What he writes is that a small facet of a single game was creepy.
this is hardly the same thing, and would apply equally to all
current platforms.
Lastly, to coryshulz, where do you get a $600 price tag?
Prediction: Blu-Ray will be the next BetaMax, and go down as Sony's biggest blunder of all time.
Forcing Blu-Ray on PS3 customers will keep an otherwise nice machine from getting full traction.
And what's with the comments on the mountain?
I think, "Now this is truly an uncanny valley." And I mean it in the best-possible way. What planet is this guy coming from?
So of course, it is no surprise that the ps3 is overpriced as well.
I was a bit anxiously awaiting the new playstation, but since the long wait, I've been checking out nintendo and I must say I am leaning that way... back to my original. I do miss it.
Just as they helped to move DVDs with the PS2 (at launch time a relatively inexpensive DVD player that "also plays games"), they will do the same by building a user base for BluRay. Within a year or two, regular BluRay player prices will drop to where the PS3's retail price will be, and many consumers will buy a PS3 instead of a standalone player.
Infact, I was left wondering what the writer was left with. Well, the controller is wireless, eyes creeped him out, Hockey looked neat, he crashed a car, some guy was hacking monsters, the PS3 will stay on top.
huh?
I'm not sure what this article does for the PS3 or CNet or worse yet, its readers.
The word is "Ghoulish" - Spellcheck before posting.
The truth is they are both great systems, even though I'm in favor of the PS3, I'm eventually going to get both.
HDDVD and Blu Ray are unnecessary, but PS3 owners are force to buy it. It is very unlikely that games will ever use Blu Ray in a fashion that would "require" it. In fact, most PS3 games will also be on the 360, and will look the same while running off DVD.
The PS3 is over-priced because Sony is stuffing things down your throat that are completely unnecessary and will only be used by 10% of the consumer base that buy the product.
It seems to me that you're saying that they are targeting playstation fans. Those who have been waiting for the next generation and who will buy it regardless.
Totally disagree with you on that one. Totally.
Where is the fact that they didn't meet delivery projections.
The great Gran Turismo HD he mentions doesn have a ship date and will be severly limited when it does 2 tracks / 30 cars currently.
He must have been awed by the Marketing muscle that Sony presents.
As a consumer, it is in your best interest to encourage competition between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. Only if you're a shareholder in one of these companies is it in your best interest to promote one system over another. To defend one console over another because of blind loyalty is foolish, at best.
By the way, because of my family's gaming tastes, I am leaning towards buying a Wii. But it wouldn't take much to persuade me into buying a $600 Blu-Ray player (er, console).
The problem is that nobody has shown yet that making a console system a home entertainment center in a box will really increase value to consumers. My guess is that it won't. Users will ultimately opt for cheaper, higher quality standalone equipment. In the past, the DVD players that were stuffed in units were of exceedingly low quality. Given the prices they're selling for in the current systems, I'd wager the same holds true for this generation. In the short term, this might still yield sales since for about the same price as a standalone player, you get a console to boot. At the same time, I don't think enough people care about HD DVD formats at present for that to be a huge advantage. In the long term standalone player prices will drop and the quality will far surpass what is available in the consoles. In 2 years when standalone prices have reached sub-$200, few people will care that there is a crappy Blu-Ray player built into the PS3.
contrast all three games, I finished the article wondering where
that comparison was.
From what I've read elsewhere, I'm likely to go with Wii. I'm not a
hardcore gamer, I like that the price is reasonable has a cool
controller, is targeted for us non-hardcore folks and that can
play Game Cube games. It's the first time I've even been
seriously interested in picking up a console for myself.
The uncanny valley that the author spoke of can be found in all technology, as the author stated, from prosthetics, to robotics, to (Xbox360 commercial with shaq sweating) to his review of the basketball game on PS3. At no point does he say it is the fault of the ps3 specifically, but of the technology behind all videogames and all modern electronics.
Also he was not shown how to use the controller but was shown how to use a complicated technique, which can be applied similarly to dribbling skills in any basketball game or soccer game.
Now for the article title "PS3 shines..."
He went he saw and it shown.. simple as that, he said it looked cool and was interesting, sounds like it shown to me.
Now if someone had made an "xbox360 shines.."
and said the boxing was really fun, but it was hard to keep from accidentally pressing the start button, and the boxers looked like dolls when healing them..."
Half of you would have said "hardly seems like it shines from that article" and the other half of you, (whom are now saying that very line for the ps3) would say stop hating the 360, fanboys! It's fact. He saw a showing, and it looked good. Done..
They are not appealing to the hardcore gamer, They are simply trying to be the best, and who doesn't want that.
I can name several games that are not targeted towards the hardcore aspect that were only ps2, or only xbox, or gamecube. Don't say that because they are trying to be the best, only people who are really into video games will buy it. For the most part people will buy what they think is the best, naturally. If you think Apple is the best, you will spend extra for it. I think PC's are the best, but Apple is still a very well put together computer and it better in many aspects than a PC.
Finally to end my shpiel, the PS3 is a steal at it's price. It has already SOLD OUT worldwide, and it will remain sold out for the next few months. Sony will make a crapload of money on this. Think about it. Xbox 1 came out a year after PS2 and sold maybe 25 million compared to ps2's 100 million units, ps2 which, are still be manufactured, and xbox which has been abandoned. Needless to say, where you spent 900 dollars on Playstation systems on release over 6 years, you spent 800 on xbox systems on release over the course of four years, so stop claiming that sony is stealing your money. And a lot of people have been saying sony's 1080p will not be on most games, which is true. But the best games will. gamecube also only shared about 20 percent of the market as well. The DS sold maybe a million units less than the xbox... now im just spitting out facts. So face them. REgardless of what everyone thinks with market strategy or their own personal beliefs, Sony will control the market. And with Kutaragi saying the ps3 will have a close to seven year lifetime, it makes you wonder how soon it will be that microsoft releases a new console, and releasing it's only profitable game franchise Halo.
"The PS3 has soldout worldwide".
Um no. No, no, and no. The US and Japan is not worldwide. I don?t live in either place and I do live in this world. This again must be due to your differing reality that this little fact exists. In mine the PS3 is going to be released in TWO countries out of 193! I say GOING because in my reality the fact is it hasn?t been sold yet it has just been ordered and in my reality many stores don?t do preorders so their stock will go on sale the day of the actual release. Thus on my Earth it isn?t even remotely close to sold out, but your drugs are obviously working far too well, so lets look at some more of your facts.
"Sony will make a crapload of money on this."
Based on the many reports by various financial analysts such as Merrill Lynch and others Sony will be losing as much as $100 for every PS3 sold, and will have to sell between 2 and 4 games with every console to just break even. I think in the short to medium term Professor the correct statement would be Sony will make crap all money on this, but of course again you are just spitting facts.
It was years before the Playstations made money, and DVD had been adopted as THE standard long before. The fact that Bluray is not THE standard and may not ever be is a critical downside to Sony?s decision put it in the console. Making buying it compulsory is another critical downside to the console. Having to make the price so high just to stop insane rupture in losses as a result is near commercial suicide. This really could and may well be the best console ever made but the way Sony have gone about it make profit and Ps3 two phrases that wont go together in Sony boardrooms for quite some time if ever.
"And a lot of people have been saying Sony?s 1080p will not be on most games, which is true. But the best games will."
And most of the first year?s buyers of Ps3's will be conned again. Far too people seem too Sony struck to see that the real cost of a PS3 is the console plus whatever it costs to get a tv that runs native 1080p. People seem rather slow to appreciate that running a PS3 on any tv that doesn?t run that resolution isn?t using the "greatness" of the product they are paying for, and that if you aren?t then the graphics resolution wise are simply are no better than any other console. So paying extra for 1080p is a cool rave point until someone points out your tv is running at 720p at best and the PS3 is downscaling the signal! Most people simply don?t have 1080p yet, it hasn?t been available long anyway, and it?s far from the cheap end of the tv market.
"the PS3 is a steal at it's price."
No not at all. As a game console it is way more expensive than anything else. If I want to (GOD FORBID) - PLAY GAMES, I have to shell out far too much compared to what is solid competition.
As a movie player it is overpriced too, an HD-DVD player is cheaper at 500 (though you could say the same for the mini-me PS3) but again unless you already have a very good high def tv, you need to shell out lots more to use it, otherwise you are getting just as good results from 10 dollar dvds and 40 dollar players on older tv sets.
Oh as a high def player that plays games too - yes but in reality very few people really want both things as much as the other - one is usually the real reason the other is a bonus. For those that do really want both, cool. And remember while you use that blue laser for two hours straight watching Braveheart, the blue paint being leaked all over the place represents the laser life of your gaming drive being wiped out.
"REgardless of what everyone thinks with market strategy or their own personal beliefs, Sony will control the market."
This is another objective, substantive, unquestionable fact then right - because the Professor says so? Sony is having a hard time controlling the speed they are making mistakes in the last few years - never mind what?s going on in the marketplace. Cd blunders, saying MP3 would never catch on, PS2 power cord worries, oh and a couple of hundred zillion battery packs that nobody noticed at all, oh yeah wed better recall ours too, those Vaio things use them don?t they - oh are we last of everyone to recall? Oh well that?s because we control the market.
I?m not an anything fan boy, I don?t care who wins what console war, I don?t play games - period. But I do read about tech news every day, so Professor you cant go around spieling off your "facts" in this reality - keep them in your own world they are much less likely o draw comment there. There is nothing worse than the person who says ?I just want to tell you the facts? ? and fills the page with conjecture, opinion and misinformation as you did.
"The PS3 has soldout worldwide".
Um no. No, no, and no. The US and Japan is not worldwide. I don?t live in either place and I do live in this world. This again must be due to your differing reality that this little fact exists. In mine the PS3 is going to be released in TWO countries out of 193! I say GOING because in my reality the fact is it hasn?t been sold yet it has just been ordered and in my reality many stores don?t do preorders so their stock will go on sale the day of the actual release. Thus on my Earth it isn?t even remotely close to sold out, but your drugs are obviously working far too well, so lets look at some more of your facts.
"Sony will make a crapload of money on this."
Based on the many reports by various financial analysts such as Merrill Lynch and others Sony will be losing as much as $100 for every PS3 sold, and will have to sell between 2 and 4 games with every console to just break even. I think in the short to medium term Professor the correct statement would be Sony will make crap all money on this, but of course again you are just spitting facts.
It was years before the Playstations made money, and DVD had been adopted as THE standard long before. The fact that Bluray is not THE standard and may not ever be is a critical downside to Sony?s decision put it in the console. Making buying it compulsory is another critical downside to the console. Having to make the price so high just to stop insane rupture in losses as a result is near commercial suicide. This really could and may well be the best console ever made but the way Sony have gone about it make profit and Ps3 two phrases that wont go together in Sony boardrooms for quite some time if ever.
"And a lot of people have been saying Sony?s 1080p will not be on most games, which is true. But the best games will."
And most of the first year?s buyers of Ps3's will be conned again. Far too people seem too Sony struck to see that the real cost of a PS3 is the console plus whatever it costs to get a tv that runs native 1080p. People seem rather slow to appreciate that running a PS3 on any tv that doesn?t run that resolution isn?t using the "greatness" of the product they are paying for, and that if you aren?t then the graphics resolution wise are simply are no better than any other console. So paying extra for 1080p is a cool rave point until someone points out your tv is running at 720p at best and the PS3 is downscaling the signal! Most people simply don?t have 1080p yet, it hasn?t been available long anyway, and it?s far from the cheap end of the tv market.
"the PS3 is a steal at it's price."
No not at all. As a game console it is way more expensive than anything else. If I want to (GOD FORBID) - PLAY GAMES, I have to shell out far too much compared to what is solid competition.
As a movie player it is overpriced too, an HD-DVD player is cheaper at 500 (though you could say the same for the mini-me PS3) but again unless you already have a very good high def tv, you need to shell out lots more to use it, otherwise you are getting just as good results from 10 dollar dvds and 40 dollar players on older tv sets.
Oh as a high def player that plays games too - yes but in reality very few people really want both things as much as the other - one is usually the real reason the other is a bonus. For those that do really want both, cool. And remember while you use that blue laser for two hours straight watching Braveheart, the blue paint being leaked all over the place represents the laser life of your gaming drive being wiped out.
"REgardless of what everyone thinks with market strategy or their own personal beliefs, Sony will control the market."
This is another objective, substantive, unquestionable fact then right - because the Professor says so? Sony is having a hard time controlling the speed they are making mistakes in the last few years - never mind what?s going on in the marketplace. Cd blunders, saying MP3 would never catch on, PS2 power cord worries, oh and a couple of hundred zillion battery packs that nobody noticed at all, oh yeah wed better recall ours too, those Vaio things use them don?t they - oh are we last of everyone to recall? Oh well that?s because we control the market.
I?m not an anything fan boy, I don?t care who wins what console war, I don?t play games - period. But I do read about tech news every day, so Professor you cant go around spieling off your "facts" in this reality - keep them in your own world they are much less likely o draw comment there. There is nothing worse than the person who says ?I just want to tell you the facts? ? and fills the page with conjecture, opinion and misinformation as you did.
Look at the pretty colors! Vroom vroom! Hey that guy has no wire on his controller! I hate hockey. I suck at basketball. SONY paid me to write this.
Also, you might be able to buy a 120GB desktop hard drive for $55, but the PS3 uses 2.5" laptop drives, which are far more expensive. A 60GB laptop drive off of one of the computer parts sites I'm looking at now is between $55 and $85, depending on the quality.
I think it's also worth mentioning that Microsoft charges $100 for their 20GB hard drive and $100 for their wi-fi.
So it's not about "graphics have come into play and as a result, gameplay has gone down". It's more about, "gameplay has always been down, but since it's easier to make graphics, let's focus on that".
You'll be seeing a lot of pretty games but the same amount of bad ones, because the bad developers will still be there even though technology is improving. The developmeant teams who are skilled and experienced in what they do will provide an excellent gameplay experience coupled with superb graphics.
This is simply an example of how important the human element is in game design.
Please ignore.
console to watch on a $100 TV? I don't think the PS3 is meant
for that. It is like buying a NAD amp to connect to some cheap
speakers from Walmart. PS3 is a high end gaming system meant
for high end customers. For lower end customers, go with PS2.
Sony is continuing to sell PS2 for a long time. That is actually
their goal.
People that have a HDTV and want a BD player and a high end
gaming machine will buy a PS3. Some of those people will buy
the XBox360. Some of them will buy both.
for their own TV.
Yes, the games will even look better on a 19" SD TV. I'm sure you
can tell the difference between MGS1&2 and MS3. Yes you will need
an HDTV to get the full graphical benefit. But there will still be a
noticeable difference, even on standard "old" TVs.
difference in HD and regular TV anyway, so will this even be a
problem? I have friends who own HDTVs and they swear they can't
tell a difference (and yes they were watching the TV stations that
are supposed to be broadcast in HD) and wonder why they spent
the extra money on it. So as I said will this even be a problem if
most people can't tell the difference between HD and normal TV?
- interesting article
- by theprof00 October 24, 2006 6:14 AM PDT
- http://news.com.com/Sony+Staying+in+battery+business+despite+recalls/2100-1041_3-6128837.html?tag=nefd.top
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(82 Comments)says batteries account for 1.5billion a year,
makes you wonder how much s ps3 failure would really hurt the company, my thoughts say it would hurt, but only like a monkey bite.