Comments on: Play your own Xbox game

Microsoft plans free tools for enthusiasts to make own games, but at first only other hard-core gamers will be able to share the creations.

[rippleAdder]

open source....microsoft?

sounds like an open source development community but of course it's microsoft. We'll just have to see. There are many homebrew developers for the playstation 2 and the xbox but no support from the actual respected companies this will be a change definatly but will it be nice.

[UntoldDreams]

Not even close to open source.

This will be highly restricted license-wise and library wise.

[Blito]

Playstation 3 sheme better

With the Playstation 3 you can develop on the PS3 in any format you choose on IBM's open source Cell proccessor.

With XNA as the engine, the game remains MS' property.

[umbrae]

Ah... you're kidding right...

The Cell Process "IS" propeitary. If you make a game that runs on the Cell processor there is NO WAY this game will run on any other system. You would have to port it. With XNA, when you develop it for the 360 then it is suppose to require little effort to port to windows. However, when you develop for the Cell the whole process is more complex and requires coding for special hardware. Hardware that is not even close to any existing console or PC OS. PS3 = Ballon Development costs. That has already been documented by several development firms that actually develop for the PS3.

[Captain-Atari]

Huh?

You do realize that the XBOX 360, Nientendo WII and PS3 all have IBM Risc Processors. The cell essentialy is modification of the same CPU Family. As far as development goes on the PS3 you cannot write any games and publish them without a Dev Kit from Sony and you will have to purchase that. There are no true "Open Source" game development projects on any of these consoles.

[Gronar Snaggletooth]

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That is the single most retarded comment of the day. With multi-million dollar developers pulling there support for the PS3, you think you're going to design a game for the Cell architecture???!!!

[maverick_nick]

Keep it American!!!

Keep it American -- Buy XBOX only!!!

[jgoewert]

Sony should use this as a lesson

There are many people and groups hacking around on the PSP to make homebrew games and apps. Yet each patch release, Sony closes off the holes that are used to allow users to run those homebrew apps.

Homebrew is here to stay. Companies like Gamepark have based their entire business model. MS realized this when XBox Live Arcade started pulling in more cash for tiny games made by small developers than the $60 disappointments by large developers.

Knowing Sony, if they did make a hobbiest devkit, it will be $999 and only other people who paid that $999 will be able to play your games and you won't be able to burn them to a disc to distribute.

[Datalus]

Sony is a couple steps further than you think

Sony will have a "development kit" (although not the offical devkit) that will come with the Playstation 3. It will include a version of Linux pre-installed on it's hard drive. This means it isn't necessary to hack or reverse engineer anything. Now, any software developer can use any tool he wishes. They only thing they must include with that is a C compiler for the Cell arcitecture; which does (or at least will) exist considering that there is going to be a Linux kernel on Cell.

[Philips]

Return of simple amateur games?

Could it be return of simple interesting computer games we all loved when PCs were only born? Honestly - can't wait. I'm tired of cashing out $50 for remake of game I was cashing out $50 many times already.

If all goes well, M$ would need an iTMS analog for computer games, where indies would be able to sell their games.

Of course if M$ wouldn't screw up as it did with digital music.

[mxrss]

Agreed

At least at the core of XBOX it is windows (while slimed down) it still is windows so it could be converted to run on the PC with a little hacking plus it will probably support a more featured and easy to use language then just hacking away with x86 Assembler, C or C++. At least then some indie studios with Java or the .NET methodology could come and create some awsome titles for the community. Besides in actuality wouldnt the MS XBOX be more protable because they already have ways of running linux on them so couldnt you just install OpenGL and just create your games on that framework. I dont know sony has a lot of ways of being non-open but at its core its all just a glorified PC, i look for the WII to be the technology to program for, as it has a more intresting input scheme then the standard analog controller that only interfaces with simple to complex button permutations.

- Mike

[ddesy]

Not x86

They are talking about Xbox 360, not Xbox. The Xbox is Pentium III based, which is x86. The Xbox 360 is PowerPC based, not x86.

[imguessing]

XNA Game Studio Express

Microsoft has recently released XNA Game Studio Express ($99), which is a more basic version of it?s XNA Framework, which will allow anyone with a Windows (gee, no Apple support?) PC to design Xbox 360 (gee, no PS3 support?) video games. Actually, on the surface I think this is pretty cool. Good idea. Here?s where it becomes a bad idea.

According to Microsoft vice president Peter Moore, the XNA Game Studio Express, will let anyone with the desire, create their own video games and then share them on Microsoft's Xbox Live online game service.

Let?s recap, shall we?

Pay $99 for a cool video game programming toolkit. Good idea if you?re so inclined.

Develop your great ideas for video games and possibly launch a lucrative career as a video game programmer. Good idea if you?re so inclined.

Share said designs & hard work with other Xbox live gamers. Maybe a dumb idea, as someone may steal your idea & pawn it off as their own.

Share said designs & hard work on a Microsoft sponsored web site, which they no doubt will be perusing so they can ?innovate?. A company known for stealing ideas & crushing competitors with anti-competitive tactics. An EXTREMELY dumb idea.

Makes sense if you?re Microsoft though. Why pay programmers for the next great idea in gaming, when you might be able to get it for free. Hopefully the people who use this product won?t be blinded by the Microsoft PR machine. If their smart enough & talented enough to design video games, they should be able to blow away the smoke screen.

Just say NO, to Microsoft.


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[mxrss]

FUD

and open source is orginal? News flash buddy microsoft is not the only company to steal ideas, Apple Anyone or have we forgoten that no Apple Did not invent the UI but copied it from Xerox while they were not looking. Isnt that what OS is about inovating for another company to use. Come on, ms does not say anywhere you have to make your source, assets or even design docs avail? Your baseless argument just stymes from the fact that you hate any company that uses the idea of another to create a competing product. And if a programmer knows how to port they will not just use the XNA toolkit besides is it really MS's responsiblity to make a totatal toolkit that is free re-read because you think that you have to pay to use the toolkit you have to pay if you want to release your games. How many ideas have MS stole vs. How many ideas has IBM stole you tell me that. And sony is the epitimy of propritary, they own the DVD's they own the Hardware they own the components for making every part. Open? Yea you can use the Linux Packages to run PS games but only certain ones with a certain op-code and certain hardware.



- Mike Roth

[pch4101]

MS dropped the ball on this one.

I initially disagreed with you until I read about the FAQ for this. In order to play another person's game you must download their source and art resources, build the game on your PC and then download it to your XBox 360. This is both inconvenient and others get to see your source code.

[Tomcat Adam]

What if I just want to make a game?

Well?
What if I just want to design a simple game for the xbox, for anyone to play, emulate, steal and/or improve upon. Just for fun.

How is this a bad thing now?

[maverick_nick]

Gimme a break!!!

First you talk of no support of rival brands, like Apple and Sony. Then you talk about the protection of intellectual property. Just as you wouldn't want anyone to have a free-for-all with you hardwork, Microsoft feels the same way. Why should they enable support for their rivals? -- that would be idiotic!

Besides, if you have a problem with Microsoft taking the basic idea of your game to build a luctrative version of it, then keep your idea to yourself -- nobody will have privy to your intellectual property, and it will have no value anyway.

What happened to the patriots of this country, huh? KEEP IT AMERICAN!!! XBOX ONLY!!!
Forget about Sony -- that *** crap :>

[maverick_nick]

Gimme a break!!!

First you talk of no support of rival brands, like Apple and Sony. Then you talk about the protection of intellectual property. Just as you wouldn't want anyone to have a free-for-all with you hardwork, Microsoft feels the same way. Why should they enable support for their rivals? -- that would be idiotic!

Besides, if you have a problem with Microsoft taking the basic idea of your game to build a luctrative version of it, then keep your idea to yourself -- nobody will have privy to your intellectual property, and it will have no value anyway.

What happened to the patriots of this country, huh? KEEP IT AMERICAN!!! XBOX ONLY!!!
Forget about Sony -- that *** crap :>

[ChrisSpence]

BomberMan clone coming soon?

I look forward to some decent clones of the Japanese Bomberman games from the 90s!

[baswwe]

MasterTronic will live again!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastertronic

[pcpimpster]

It was only a matter of time...

It was only a matter of time!

before MS took their best skill and flipped it on the gaming industry with a solid console to back it up.

Developer Tools (in case you were wondering)!

I'm a db/business/web/bunch of other sh*t developer (.NET, check it out sometime), all because M$ gave me the tools to do it on a decent (if setup properly, secure) platform and with a great bang to bullets set of developer tools.

Tiny game developers will now ?hopefully? gain access to all the guns the big boys use when developing good games. This will in fact create some good games.

I see some comments regarding open source.. m$?
This isn?t open source, so shutup!!!

But dev tools and getting programmers to back those tools, and r*tard_ing them down so the idiot who wants to, can use them?

You get my point.

Open Source vs. Billion Dollar Dev Tools.

That?s really where the fight is going on.