Comments on: Sony unveils PS3 pricing, release dates

At a top price of $599, the PS3 will cost $200 more than Microsoft's highest-priced Xbox 360.
Photos: PS3 prototypes

[blahblah269]

Skip this Next Generation

or at least hold off. Do they really expect parents to shell out this kind of money? Do they really think we will blow half a house payment on the console alone and pay insurance on a car monthly payment for each game? This has gotten out of hand. They should concentrate on making better games both graphically and gameplay wise. I may buy a 360 eventually if the games catch up to the console. Hopefully they will learn from these mistakes and blow us all away with the 4th Gen.

[fakespam]

Dead on

This guy got it down.

Since Dreamcast, the consumer can't see a difference in graphics
(don't bother pointing it out, they still say the polygons are
blocky). To them, there isn't a difference from PlayStation to
PlayStation 2. All they saw a "2" in the number.

I've been saying for two years that this new generation of
gaming is being forced unto the consumers, and from the
mediocre to poor sales of 360 and PSP as of right now, they may
not want to be forced.

The writer of this post says to hold off for a few years. And that's
exactly why PS2 and Xbox sold bundles since mid-04, because
the price point got to the area people are willing to shell out to
play games.

By the way, Dark Watcher and Wikipedia states we're like in the
10th generation of gaming, going way back to the Odyssey in
'72.

[bombzombie]

Let's engage in a bit of intellectual honesty

#1 Game playing is not a cheap hobby. I double dog dare somebody to go out and buy a 1080p TV (I don't even think they sell a plasma or LCD version yet), a nice 5.1, better yet 6.1, sound system that's fully HDMI compliant and don't forget to add in your cable model, wireless router, connection cables, extra controllers and five games....what is the cheapest cost you can come up with....I haven't engaged in the exercise, but I bet even it everything was purchased used off Ebay it would be $4-5k.

#2 Game playing systems interfaces have historically been awful in terms of use for movie watching. PS2 and Xbox both are prime examples. Further, past consumer trends show that most Americans (not the high-speed folks posting here) are barely able to use their TIVOs. Again, let's be honest, buying the PS3 just because it has blu-ray is not smart. Remember all of the problems with the first DVD players (overheating, disc format incompatibility, and don't forget Sony is in a format war with Microsoft and Toshiba!!). I know for a fact that the first units will not be anywhere nearly as good in terms of quality as even some of the cheaper units to come out a few years down the road.

#3 Because Sony released a unit tied into an unsettled format, the features of the blu-ray drive (absent then using it for their gaming function) has the potential to become obsolete just like Circuit City's DIVX...remember that?? This means it is a gamble to see what happens. Recall that like DIVX (which many industry movie types supported) Blu-ray will ultimately succeed or fail upon the adoption by the public given the realities of the market-based economy. Sony's experience with SuperAudio CD and Toshiba's with High Definition Audio thus bears some historical retrofitting to today. While I am sure that early adopters and people such as myself (lawyers, doctors, big business guys with loads of disposable cash) can afford to purchase a mistake, the regualr public at $600 a uniit cannot. I suspect that there may be a major market shift in order for Microsoft.

Disclosure: I own neither system, but plan on purchasing both after they have been on market for one year. Thus, this Christmas I anticipate picking up an Xbox 360, and next a PS3, if Blu-Ray appears to be a viable format. If not, then Xbox 360's strategy of producing an add-on is a good idea. Recall that most gamers did not use the harddrive on the Xbox for some time. I suspect the same may be true of the blu-ray drive. Further, no serious audiophile would purchase a gaming machine to utilize as their primary DVD player (especially, if they've purchased serious[read mega-dollar $5k to $8k] video display capable of producing top quality output.

That's my take.
-Bryan

[fakespam]

You sound like . . .

You sound like the Democrats saying it's okay for illegal aliens to
use our services and making us pay.

You defend Sony for being dumb.

It's a game system, and it will sit on the shelves of my GameStop.

[Henry Frohlich]

$ony's $600 P$3! Also, CNet get your facts straight

First, $600 is crazy! Most people aren't going to spend $600 for
a freakin game machine! It's still a gaming machine right? Not
some steal of a deal Blu-Ray player that works with the 3% of the
population that has HDTV, $600 set aside for gaming, and
actually wants to spend more money buying Blu-Ray discs
instead of DVD's. Two years from now...maybe...right now, No.

Second, CNet...if you did any research and checked any gaming
sites (this is a $600 gaming machine) you would know that the
controller only adds tilting function and isn't even close to what
Nintendo is offering.

[heystoopid]

Unanswered questions?

Question, the games available are limited, for no cross compatability to past games on PS1 & PS2 exist!

Question, the movies made available in the new format, are for the most part box office dogs and bombs!!!!(how many times can one repack crapola, and charge high prices,for an example, look at the total failure of the lousy UMD format movies made available for use on PSP, it defies logic!, which is why it was doomed to fail from the outset!)

Question, why include the dead dog audio SACD within the specificifications as well?, for it is a given that past SONY CD audio players required expensive external/internal modification chips, to bring that performance back up to expectations!

This unit, will further need very heavy additional hardware costs , to make this turkey truly fly at high resolution, as video monitors to 1080p HDMI 1.3 compliant specifications, are extremely scarce, outside the prototype laboratory!

Oh well. better luck , if there is a next time for Sony, for all the profit projections are based on the corporation, grabbing the lions share against hardened seasoned competitors, with a greater line up of available games!

Finally experience has shown, that very few if any PS2 units are actually ever used as dedicated home DVD players!

The odds for this unit performing to all the claims and expectations, do not very look very convincing, either in the short or long term!

So let the consumer choose wisely, and not blow their hard erned cash on follies!

[hahne59]

Xbox 360 Will Win

Unlike most of the highly educated people at this message board, most adults who want to buy their child a *NEW GAME CONSOLE* will look at the price of the console. Not the cost of the components to make the systems equal, just price. Last time I checked $399(or $299)<$599(or $499). So Joe SixPack goes "Wrap up the one in the green and white box". This will determine which will get more buyers, not educated consumers. People want to buy the cheapest thing with some quality.

Most people don't know what WLAN or Blu-Ray are. They won't care. They will buy the cheapest system.

(I didn't count the Wii because of the novelty of the controllers)

[P_S_J]

you forget one thing....

Parents aren't the one choosing what the kid wants. Kids who play these game systems will want this one because it will be a must have. Kids always want the system that their friend has. Also, you people seem to forget one thing. Not all gamers are children. Many of these parents that you speak of are part of the gaming generation. Many of them are possibly thinking about buying this for themselves. By Christmas, Xbox is old news. Kids are going to be hearing about PS3 and Wii. Xbox is MS's way of getting their flawed operating system into your living room. Just a matter of time before viruses hit the Xbox.

[fakespam]

Xbox 360 is Dreamcast by another name.

You're right about the Joe Blow. I see everyday in my GameStop.
They just don't care, plus they all look like they were on
Springer's most recent episode.

We've had these types come in and tell me LaserDiscs are the
new HD disc formats. They buy EDTVs and wonder why there's
almost no difference in regular TV (plus they don't get HD
channels, so the artifacting of analog gets every more-so).

However, despite this, I don't see 360 over-taking the market in
any capacity. God strike me wrong, please, but seriously, no, I
don't. We don't many people asking for it, mainly kids, and
you've stated. And these children are the same age I was asking
for a SNES or Genesis way back when.

Sony will, no doubt, have a presence, but with the economy bad
and the people working are working crap jobs, I don't see a
$600 toy selling too well at all. Price point with Joe Blow is $150.
No console have even taken off till this min. price point has been
met. Regardless of "supply and demand", as an earlier response
failed at expaining that to my other posting.

The "demand" only comes when people can afford it. After all,
we don't see Fiat and Ferrari making cheap, hyrid compact cars.
Despite "envy", actual demand can only be achieved by a price
point that envokes "want" and a legal means by which to obtain
that "want".

PS3 has lots of talk, but at $600, no thank you. I paid $2000 for
a Compaq that lasted from 1997 till 2005, that's eight years. Will
I have at least usage and support of the PS3 till, say, 2009? I
don't think so. The console cycles are being forced faster and
faster, and many Joe Blows out there are just catching up with
PS2 and regular Xbox.

Then that brings me to the Dreamcast thingy. 360 is so
Dreamcast-esque right now, I'll wait to buy one. I don't see
anything that gets me up and running, and, be it I could just
borrow the store unit to test, I don't even care to bother with the
effort. I don't like the games out there, and many Joe Blows who
come into my store seem to lack any interest or education on
the subject.

I think the head-start is great, but if, as Nintendo stated
(remember, only game company in the black for profits), if
content can't be delivered within the first six months (mostly
killer apps, we hope), then the console may lose it's potential
base. By the way, that's paraphrased. I think Wii and PS3 will
have what I'm looking for, I'd just wait till the price point comes
down.

[fakespam]

Xbox 360 is Dreamcast by another name.

You're right about the Joe Blow. I see everyday in my GameStop.
They just don't care, plus they all look like they were on
Springer's most recent episode.

We've had these types come in and tell me LaserDiscs are the
new HD disc formats. They buy EDTVs and wonder why there's
almost no difference in regular TV (plus they don't get HD
channels, so the artifacting of analog gets every more-so).

However, despite this, I don't see 360 over-taking the market in
any capacity. God strike me wrong, please, but seriously, no, I
don't. We don't many people asking for it, mainly kids, and
you've stated. And these children are the same age I was asking
for a SNES or Genesis way back when.

Sony will, no doubt, have a presence, but with the economy bad
and the people working are working crap jobs, I don't see a
$600 toy selling too well at all. Price point with Joe Blow is $150.
No console have even taken off till this min. price point has been
met. Regardless of "supply and demand", as an earlier response
failed at expaining that to my other posting.

The "demand" only comes when people can afford it. After all,
we don't see Fiat and Ferrari making cheap, hyrid compact cars.
Despite "envy", actual demand can only be achieved by a price
point that envokes "want" and a legal means by which to obtain
that "want".

PS3 has lots of talk, but at $600, no thank you. I paid $2000 for
a Compaq that lasted from 1997 till 2005, that's eight years. Will
I have at least usage and support of the PS3 till, say, 2009? I
don't think so. The console cycles are being forced faster and
faster, and many Joe Blows out there are just catching up with
PS2 and regular Xbox.

Then that brings me to the Dreamcast thingy. 360 is so
Dreamcast-esque right now, I'll wait to buy one. I don't see
anything that gets me up and running, and, be it I could just
borrow the store unit to test, I don't even care to bother with the
effort. I don't like the games out there, and many Joe Blows who
come into my store seem to lack any interest or education on
the subject.

I think the head-start is great, but if, as Nintendo stated
(remember, only game company in the black for profits), if
content can't be delivered within the first six months (mostly
killer apps, we hope), then the console may lose it's potential
base. By the way, that's paraphrased. I think Wii and PS3 will
have what I'm looking for, I'd just wait till the price point comes
down.

[a20052006]

Bluray 1st, PS 2nd = PS3

Firstly, the PS3 would definitely be better off marketed as a cheap Blu-ray player as most average gamers cannot easily afford the PS3.

Second of all Blue-ray players do not down convert on analogue output (thus PS3 will play back at maximum interface/display resolution possible) and people who can afford a ~3000$ television capable of 1080p would be also probably have enough money to buy the most expensive HD equipment including the PS3. On the other hand, people who do not have the money for 1080p displays could settle for 1080i/720p on their cheaper HD displays and the cheaper PS3.

Overall, I think the PS3 would be a good deal for a Blu-ray player and it comes with the bonus of being a playstation. In addition, the XBOX360 HD-DVD add-on is pointless and is a bad deal because HD-DVD players are not that expensive and are more features. Also, why buy a HD-DVD drive just for the XBOX when you could buy an HD-DVD drive for your computer. This also brings up the question why the XBOX360, with its mass storage device driver that allows it to connect with any USB storage device, cannot just have an update to allow connection to a portable HD-DVD drive. (It does not make any sense.)

Finally, Sony as a business depends on the Blu-ray format to succeed in general. As a result, it is only logical that they would market the PS3 as a PS(Next Gen System) with Blu-ray playback(HD).

[fakespam]

You blinded.

I'm not too sure where you're coming from.

$600 is not cheap, not matter how you cut it. Who the hell do
you think is going to buy this machine? Larry Ellison?

You also seem to have gotten into a dumb rant about Xbox 360
and HD DVD. What's your deal? Can you explain? Furthermore,
can you explain why a person who sit in front of their computer
screen to watch an HD DVD, like you seem to have stated.

You seem to be a Sony fanboy just waiting to burst out from
some kind of repression.

[mrpeabody3119]

Re: Bluray 1st, PS 2nd = PS3

"Firstly, the PS3 would definitely be better off marketed as a cheap Blu-ray player as most average gamers cannot easily afford the PS3. "




Firstly, Your an IDIOT!! Where did you get your thinking from? "Hey lets take this huge market where we have sold 103 million PS2's and lets go to this NON EXSISTANT market.... We will sell way more guys. YAY for me I am so smart."

HAHA, hey have you ever thought about majoring in marketing?

[mortis9]

SOMETHING IS WRONG

Am I the only one who finds this whole debate rediculous? The $600 model is a fully functional Blue-Ray player. It has hdmi and dual (useless for viewing movies) 1080P output. You can output via all formats (HDMI, DVI, RGB, SVHS, or RCA). It also has rca sound, with digital audio provided through either optical or HDMI.

What I'm saying is this is without a doubt, by at least $400, the cheapest Blue-Ray to be hitting the market. Though it isn't out yet, when it debuts it will likely continue to be the Cheapest Blue-Ray player on the market for at least 6 more months.

What does this mean? Many things. The main thing is this: if the system is too expensive, and they don't sell even one to a gamer, they would still sell all available systems, because this is a dirt cheap next generation DVD player. By far the cheapest and most functional player on the market. Why then would fellow hardware manufactures, not tied to Blue-Rays fate like Sony is, want to risk putting out systems that are too expensive (relative to the PS3), and likely won't sell?

If someone has an answer, I'm dying to know. There has to be a catch. When the PS2 came out, it was significantly more expensive than the cheapy DVD players on the market at the time (the format had already been out for a few years). The PS2 was also not the greatest DVD player.

[Captain-Atari]

Something is very Wrong

Sony is counting on blind Brand loyalty from The sony FANBOY community to inflate the numbers of Bluray players in the Market place. You are right on in your assesment of the situation. The other Bluray players will cost $1000.00 and up. At this point in the HD DVD market only true Videophiles are even bothering to buy these 1stgen HD-DVD or BLURAY players. True Videophiles aren't even going to look at the PS3 as a viable movie option. Sony may be hoping to get more Bluray content in the Market place by claiming an early lead in the HD-DVD format war with PS3 sales but if the PS3 gamers are anything like the PSP gamers then actual movie sales will be crap.

[Bitakarma]

The Full Difference between packages

It would be nice if we could get the full specs of the differences between the two models. I have heard that the chepater one does not have wifi and has less connectors. Is this correct? I cant see why anyone would want a new gen console without wifi. Which means the $599 version is really the one everyone would want and the $499 version is very much stripped down, and not just a difference of hard drive space.

[James_U]

Not So Fast

XBOX 360 will not win the war against the PS3. XBOX may (over time), but not the 360. MSFT is touting a 10M unit lead on the PS3 by the time it ships, but Sony will likely catch up with the 360 in 6 months or less. The PS platform is that pervasive.

Parents are price sensitive. However, they are also child sensitive. If their child keeps asking for a PS3 they will try their best to get that for them.

The 360 is a great machine. I have one. Yet, MSFT is another generation or two away from winning the war against Sony.

James

[mrpeabody3119]

360 has already won!!

360 has already won here in the USA. I dont think Xbox will ever take over in japan... but then again who cares it

[manmnt]

Pricing ....marketing 101

Would you spend the money that Sony is....and not test to see if your "price" was do-able? I think not. But....factor in gas prices (yes...gasoline) and the missing loose cash that you once had and....socko....the price will come down quickly.

[markman24]

Sony smoking some heavy drugs!!!!

Sony actaully think people will pay $500 to $600 dollars for a console. I am sure there will be a select few, but after those select few have bought the console their sales for the console will drop considerably. Blue-Ray is a competing technology like Beta and VHS and DVD+R and DVD-R not to mention in 2 or 3 years 100GB discs will be out and Blue Ray will be old news. I think people are smarter nowdays regarding new technologies and how fast pricing drops and new technologies appear. Sony is digging their own grave and Microsoft is laughing all the way to the bank.

[mrpeabody3119]

Question for you..

Where are you reading about this 100gb dvd? I would love to know. If you made it up thats fine I just want to know.

[BOLListener]

The battle is over...so quickly too

I've had a Xbox 360 since Dec'05 and I've been very pleased with it - although launch titles weren't so hot - things have picked up with Oblivion, GRAW - also Xbox Live is a great service.

I was planning to buy a PS3 as well but from the video demos and what was shown during the conference, the PS3 doesn't really bring anything new to the table over the Xbox360. It's a different CPU and GPU, plus the BluRay drive for games/movies but that's about it. The motion sensing controller seems like a total afterthought they put together in Kutaragi's basement one night after the whole force feedback issue...and I'm not interested at all.

Nintendo impressed me because the Wii is a completely unique experience - for better or for worse - so at least whatever you spend on that you'll be getting something "different" out of it. I highly doubt you'll have too many Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360 cross-platform titles, meanwhile I can gurantee there'll be tons of games that come out for both Xbox 360 and PS3 - the main difference only being whether you want your graphics delivered by ATI or by Nvidia (kind of funny).

As for 1080p, it's a nice to have but most people who DO have HDTVs already don't have 1080p sets since they just came out and the current 1080p sets don't even support 60fps at 1080p - some BS conversion. So that means you'll need to upgrade your TV to take advantage of that.

In the end, I think Sony totally dropped the ball on this one - so much potential, completely wasted.

[bombzombie]

So true...

For all of the folks who are considering buying these units for HDMI...don't drink the kool-aid!! HDMI is an immature standard. If you don't believe me do two things:
1) Google HDMI 1.3
2) Head to a reputable audio visual retailer and ask about compatibility and installation issues.

HDMI is not all that it has been cracked up to be. First, the sound codecs are STILL being developed!! How can you issue a HDMI compliant unit for standards that haven't been developed?...right, right it will be back-ward compliant...tell that to all those DIVX-DVD purchasers.

Next, there is only 1 TV, yes, 1 television currently capable of producing 1080p native. Sony really has the cart before the horse. Here is why you know this is true...currently they are having trouble integrating 1.1 into current audio-visual home systems themselves to display native 1080p.

Further, 1080p itself is over-hyped. C-Net, AVN, and many others that have actually gotten the darn 1080p Native full bandwith video and audio to work note that the difference between 1080p and 1080i is only noticeable on the largest of TV..."bigger than 50 inches". Granted, the full-bandwith sound is amazing...simply amazing.

But, guess what neither the 360 or PS3 support the full band-with sound processing of HDMI 1.3. Further, there are other issues that have come up with HDCP that I won't even get into here.

Hopefully the hard-working people of America won't get snowed....but it appears likely that they are being sold a bill of goods. The fact is that with both the 360 and the PS3...YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE!!! And you might say, well, you're cynical...do you honestly believe that these big companies think they can get away with selling machines for which the standard is unproven, there is only a single tv unit currently capable of production of 1080p, and in which they gloss over the fact that neither machine is capable of the full band-with sound for HDMI 1.3. In a word, YES! Certainly, there is no other alternative but to buy what is available, but at least, if you must walk over the coals of fire, do so with your eyes open.

[roningham]

Val-yoo?

'val-yoo' is a term businesses use to skirt price issues. in today's paper, when quized about the PS3 price, Sony computer chief of america, Kaz Hirai replied, "I don't know that it's high for the kind of value that we're bringing into the hands of customers."

What exactly IS the val-yoo, they speak of? The key potential problem for sorny, I mean Sony, is that THEY make recognize the val-yoo, know how great the CELL proc. is, how awesome Blu-Ray is, etc. - but does the avg. consumer?

for example, Are Blu-Ray dvds actually available in number required to achive critical mass? i certainly do not know of them and aside from maybe Braveheart or Private ryan, would not put down $30 for a blu-ray dvd. If blu-ray is not something avg. gamers are wild about, how can Sony expect people to cough up the extra $200-$300? Blu-Ray may in fact be the next iPod, but unless Sony's marketing machine can provide credible evidence, i remain unconvinced of the 'val-yoo' they offer.

As a company, the weight is Sony them to justify a price 30% higher than the competitors' product. Why? Because, at the end of the day if customer's don't see 'val-yoo', then they start to see the negative side (eg. disappointment of expectations, let down, etc.), which can even turn them to competitors products.

I htought of getting a PS3 because finally the graphics would match PC level quality. But the new price tag is as high or even higher than a PC!

I am willing to wait for my purchase. I have my doubts that millions will cough up $500/$600 for this product. If there are no SERIOUS lines for this product, then the price MUST come down. THAT's when i'll give it another hard look.

**As someone else mentioned, even gas prices will affect purchases. think about it, an extra $60 spent on gas bites into other spending...

[markdoiron]

At What Expense Could Sony Win?

At what expense could Sony win? I don't ask this meaning what lengths will they go to to win. Rather, what will be the cost to gamers? Does anyone believe that if the PS3 is a huge hit that will go unnoticed by MS and Nintendo? Does anyone believe that the future of gaming will be cheaper machines devoid of fringe features to keep costs reasonable if Sony should dominate? The truth is that Sony will have raised the bar for the cost of game consoles, and MS and Nintendo will have to compete or die. The cost of game consoles will only soar higher.

If Sony succeeds this could be the death of gaming as we know it. Why? Because few can afford the price is no object, bleeding edge technology is what sells game consoles. Don't kid yourselves: $600 is a LOT of money to most people who'd like to buy one of the latest game consoles. That doesn't mean there aren't people who can afford it, even if it's a stretch for some. It means most people can't and won't. And when they don't have the game console, guess what happens to games? There aren't as many buyers, so there are fewer and fewer games. Most games are already pretty crummy remakes of old games with better graphics. Think of that situation worsening. To think that the game developers will have fewer and fewer console buyers to market games to does not bode well for the gamers of the world.

mark d.

[NoSuckaHere]

Expensive but still a good deal

I've been reading all of the posts and most of you are way off target. Back in 2000 I bought a DVD player for $300 and a few months later, PS2 hit the shelf, and I spent another $300. $300+$300= $600. And that was 6 YEARS AGO! I am sure this probably applies to a lot of the folks on this post. If I could afford it back then I certainly should be able to afford it now. For $600 today I am getting the latest and greatest in home entertainment technology. I think that's a great value.
It's obvious that MS is chasing Sony by feebly offering a stand alone (unintegrated?) HD DVD player later this year...This means more wires and inputs required!!! In addition, I can't see this add on costing less than $200. Guess what, you'll end up spending the same amount (if not more, i.e. additional wiring, input selectors) on XBOX without owning the latest technology....This is a bad deal!

[techned]

That's going to be ugly

$600 - I remember DVD players going for more than $650 when they first came out. I remember Pioneer had one of the cheapest but it cost more than $650.

You sure it wasn't a laserdisc player, you're thinking about?

As to the HD-DVD player - how the heck are you going to connect it to 360?!

Seriously, so how would a 360 and HD-DVD tendem work?
It would be ugly if they directly connected to each other - ala Sega Genesis and CD player - even though the 360 is nice and slim; the 360 definately has ventilation problems and putting it side by side is really a space waste maker.
By cable, definately plausible but I still have nightmares on how I had to place my Colecovision ADAM system by my tv, back in the day ( don't laugh, I got a lot of homework done because of it).

- Ned

[tangfucius]

I found an interesting article regarding this...

We love PS3?And by love, we mean LOVE?

However, we worry that the price tags for the PS3 will be an obstacle to make PS3 a huge success?

Just like you, who are reading this message, the #1 question on our minds is ?How can I afford this? It is definitely a great buy? But HOW can I afford this? What do I need to do to save that money??

We, some hardcore PlayStation fans, decided to think in a different, innovative, and most importantly, a collaborative way. Instead of ?How can I afford this?? we think ?How can we make Sony lower the price??

Some of you are probably thinking right now ?What??? There is NO way we can make Sony lower the price!?

Yes, we absolutely CAN do it. PEOPLE is power, PEOPLE, united, can do everything!

We have been following the news on PS3 every single day, and we have been coming up with plans and strategies to achieve our common goal: Make Sony lower the PS3 price, so everybody can enjoy the beauty of PS3 and in the end ultimately, save the PS3!

The only thing missing is YOU, who are reading this message, YOU can make a difference, and YOU will be able to collaborate with millions upon millions of PlayStation fans just like yourself to achieve this seemingly very difficult goal!

Many surprises coming your way from saveourps3.org

[Jseg2005]

hmmm...

Not many of you actually keep up with technology, merely with game systems. This system in and of itself is groundbreaking. It is based on pioneered technology, oh and that's right, ya it's backwords compatible, unlike a certain system people have been paying $399 for that does not include any of the new age Disk readers standard. The GFX chip alone would cost $300 sold seperately and that is if you could even get it. Which you can't. The stats of the system far out weigh the price youa re paying, the BD-ROM is worth more than you pay for the $499 system. It is remarkable what they have done with this new system. I do admit it's a bit more pricy than I had hoped, but... You get what you pay for, Sony is already going to be losing $200-300 per system, they can do that only because they know we like the games they can put out. No one buys a new system so they can get just a system, they get a game with it. Stop complaining about the price. Oh and they didn't lie, the original news report said the system would cost under $500 and well, it does, tho not by much. Before you start flaming about a new piece of hardware do research on what it is that you are buying to see why the price is so high. If you want remarkable graphics, you ahve to pay, you don't see computer users complaining about the Price of The GeForce 7800 GTX card do you?

[ackmondual]

lol about killing yourself

heh, my friend would say "I'm so sure about <x and x> I could kill you right now". It's always amusing to speculate if he were wrong. An apology would do ;)

[ollie01]

Great deal!!!

With all the stuff they're putting in there for $200 or less more than
the 360 this kicks butt!!!!!! The 360 with wireless is $500. The PS3
with wireless and blueray disk is $500 and it is faster than the
360!!!!
May sony forever continue to kick butt with their products!!