Comments on: Phony kids, virtual sex

Makers of the online world "Second Life" grapple with adults pretending to be sexually active children.

[Laimah]

Misconceptions about Ageplay

This article seems to imply, and from reading some of the comments, at the very least a lot of people have infered, that the normal ageplay dynamic is an adult who wants his or her partner to play the role of a child.

Most people in the ageplay community are actually adults who wish to roleplay and be treated as children, and feel lucky to find a partner to play the role of guardian.

What we want is to feel like a child. Some people want a completely innocent activities, while others may incorporate sexual and/or BDSM elements. And many sometimes want innocent roleplaying, and sometimes want kinky roleplaying.

In any case, ageplay has absolutely nothing to do with pedophillia. It is adults roleplaying, and even if they act out scenarios that should never happen to a real child, they still find real child abuse abhorrent.

[Syrron]

Huh? What?

Personally, I?d like to hear a psychologist?s theory on this. (If I missed it in the threads I apologize.)

If I wrote a game that taught the players how to build bombs in their kitchen, IRA style, would I be wrong? Would I attract home chemists and bomb enthusiasts who fantasized about building these devices? Would I be held responsible for who know what havoc I might release?

How can some of you folks think this sort of thing won?t attract pedophiles and allow them to further their sickness through widespread acceptance and fantasies? We?re not talking about grown-ups in pigtails and high skirts or what have you were talking about children. I applaud the makers of this game for adding true ageplay into their system as opposed to pedophilia.

Check this baston of anti-censorship and free speach out.

Shangrila
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It?s a MUSH, which is a text based role-playing environment. Here you can play the role of a 12-year-old child, be brutally raped (think broken bones brutal) Cut and left bleeding, defecated and urinated on and tortured in any manner you can think of, I saw one suspended by hooks and torture-raped once, all in the pursuit of one handed typing and other stimulation.

All that and there?s zero age verification done at the door. Grab a mud client and check it out. Then tell me this is ?innocent? sexual experimentation and harmless fantasy.

Want to cry censorship? I bet the writers of those freedom of expression ideals never considered this.

A society needs lines of decency somewhere, go ahead argue that, and if not drawn here then someone tell me where they should be drawn.

Thank you,

Syrron

[fighting.4justice]

Better online than on real

Having an outlet for fantasies is a good thing, especially where child/adult fantasies are concerned. It provides a safe, private manner for people to engage in their own home without seeking out the physical world to so engage.

It us a privacy issue and the religious thought police should stay out of people's private bedrooms. Such voyeurism by the thought police should not be allowed.

I'm reminded of an occurrence that I saw on cable TV in Seattle in the 70's with a bunch of my friends. It was a snuff film. One of the real ones that those filmmakers from Columbia, South America were making whereby they actually kidnapped women and snuffed them live (then dead) on film. The one we saw was particularly brutal and lasted about 8 minutes. I can still recall each scene visually and word-for-word dialogue.

At the end, a message came up that asked if you liked this kind of viewing to please contact such-and-such clinic somewhere in a Canadian city. They actually used it for social purposes in helping people who had inclinations to engage such fantasies.

Before passing judgment upon the private thoughts and fantasies of both children and adults and the complex nature of the human mind and sexual psyche, we must first get over judgmentalism based upon antiquated notions derived from the systems of religious indoctrination and self-righteousness.

fighting.4justice

[fighting.4justice]

Better Virtual Than Real

Having an outlet for fantasies is a good thing, especially where child/adult, adult/child fantasies are concerned. It provides a safe, private manner for people to engage in their own privacy without seeking out the physical world to so engage.

It is a privacy issue and the religious thought police should stay out of people's private bedrooms. Such voyeurism by the thought police should not be allowed.

I'm reminded of an occurrence that I saw on cable TV in Seattle in the 70's with a bunch of my friends. It was a snuff film, one of those real ones that those filmmakers from Columbia, South America were making whereby they actually kidnapped women and snuffed them live (then dead) on film. The one we saw was particularly brutal and lasted about 8 minutes. I can still recall each scene visually and word-for-word dialogue. It was very sad, and we didn't learn until months later for a fact (after they busted the filmmakers) that it was real, although we knew it when we saw it but couldn't understand how it could be.

At the end, a message came up that asked if you liked this kind of viewing to please contact such-and-such clinic somewhere in a Canadian city. They actually used it for social purposes in helping people who had inclinations to engage such violent fantasies.

Before passing judgment upon the private thoughts and fantasies of both children and adults and the complex nature of the human mind and sexual psyche, we must first get over judgmentalism based upon antiquated notions derived from the systems of religious indoctrination and self-righteousness.

It is better that people engage in a virtual world than going out into the real world to so engage. This is a medicinal and preventitive social therapy that people can engage in their own privacy, with the stipulation that if they want counsel, they are notified of availability.

The slippery slope theory that if someone does it in the privacy of their own home or bedroom, they will go out and do it in the real world is a proven false theory by the demographic facts that if this slippery slope theory were true, all violent-video game enthusiasts would be mass murderers. Being a worn-out Doom 95 player (no, I haven't played any game systems more recent than that and I'm not embarassed to say so), I would be at the top of the list.

fighting.4justice

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[Kris_1979]

After reading your thoughts here, I like to give a clear view on this subject, if I may.

Ageplay is OK in public as long it is not sexual ageplay. But when it is sexual, it should be done at a place away from public and where real children have no access. This counts for any sexual activity, just as in real life.
Second Life should organize such a place (if they like to have that), along with a serious age identification.

Sexual preferences do exist in a lot of forms, some I will not understand either, but I don't judge someone on that. As long it is played in a room between consenting adults. We also don't make love on street, even in the red light district, do we?

There are two groups of people in ageplay:
* Ageplay: Which may have a drawn presentation of someone young. Those people look for pure regression, calmness, feeling young even to heal themselves of a trauma in the past or just to escape the everyday stress.
* Sexual Ageplay: which may - not - have a drawn presentation of someone young in my opinion. As an adult "Parent" you have only an image of your lover in mind as an adult, dressed in schooluniform for example and acting like someone young.

Both groups feel protection, happy, shy, naughty in their role as child, and for those I know, they are extremely protective and caring for real children. Just because they are sensitive themselves.
Personally I visit quit some ageplay forums, and I can assure you that sexual criminals are hated and turned over to child protecting organisations when discovered.

And I agree that looking for the bad ageplayers is difficult in Second Life, as it is a large place to manage. But that is the responsibility of the managers of Second Life, to keep an eye on it and listen to the honorable ageplayers.

[bjames83]

I currently play on second life as a child avitar. Although i do not do anything sex wise, i still get attacked by people thinking i do. Its sad though as everyone talks about what bad pediphiles do inside the game that take away from what a lot of them that don't do sexual stuff.

Children Avatars in Secondlife have raised lot of money to help with the fight against abuse of children and other causes! I agree and wish people wouldn't do sexual acts with children as it is a sick thing. On the same time, i wish people might have an open mind to it. Age Play is not always involving Sex as a lot of people has defined it out to be.

If you have a community that is doing one thing, and one person abuses it, does it make the whole comunity and what they are doing wrong or sick? Most poeple point there fings and even ATTACK the kid avi's in Second Life (SEXUALLY!).

i have been playing Second Life 3-4 Years now, and have had 3-4 people actually attempt to attack my character sexually and i taken there pictures and everything they have said to me and reported it to Linden Labs! So far to Date Linden Labs has done a Great job at banning the players that abuse children and attack them and to try and do there best to prevent it from happening. Just in real life, just because we have laws, doesn't mean people don't break them.

You can't tell me you never sped on the freeway. That is breaking the law too! again its not really the same law as sexual activities with a minor. Some people even in RL and Virtual worlds are sick and need help. Okay, maybe im blabbing, but all i am saying is there is more in Second Life and with the Child avatars then just Sexual activities. There is a lot of good from it too. Yes we are adults, but for me its being able to relive my childhood like a child SHOULD be treated but in the end we all know we are adults too.

I guess all i am saying is.. Not Every Child avatar in Second Life is doing Sexual activities.

Thanks for reading my ramble.
James

[JwRadcliffe]

Fantasy behaviors can and will melt into reality after multiple replays of the fantasy in the mind. LL is in a tough position, at best. Developing strategies instead of reacting is critical to protecting online communities as well as the freedom for consenting adults to engage in fantasies they find enticing. When considering censorship we must be extremely careful not to invade the rights of free speech, otherwise we open Pandora's Box.

I write about sex, talk about sex, engage in sex all while believing it to be a healthy release for adults when conducted in a consenting responsible manner not harmful to children or our communities. Instead of cutting right to the chase of age-play, we should address the issues leading to this type of curiosity. Over sexualizing our children with sexy images of tweens as well as young teens. Intimidating the natural male ego with ultimate shemale behaviors running wild in corporate America. The natural male instinct is to feel intimidated (not all males) rather certain male personalities. Rejection from adult women over and over and over. Abusive relationships where emotions run wild. I could type for hours regarding the behaviors leading up to age-play.

Technology is bringing into play the next virtual level, which will allow the enduser to experience real physical sensations while engaging the other players. Frightening? Yes! Being ethical and moral means allowing the human race to evolve. Our responsibility as adults is to sit tight by taking action when an irresponsible behavior occurs rather than react prematurely.

The thought of age-play is personally alarming, however, LL seems to be taking a responsible, logical approach to the matter. Thus best left in the hands of professionals.

JW RadCliffe

[mrwicked1]

I think as long as it doesn't hurt anyone do it.

[mrwicked1]

We can all find ways to make our views the right one, to me no crime no time.If you lock up people for what they might do then we would all be in jail.