Comments on: Set-top box makers still waiting for customers

Cable set-tops are everywhere, but consumers continue to show a lack of interest in buying separate boxes for Internet-based video-on-demand services.
Photos: Vudu's movie box

[annanemas]

Habits Need to Change First

Many companies seem to be forgetting that adopting and using new set-top boxes requires customers having to change their viewing and leisure habits. Cable and satellite companies have had more success because their customers already have or will be getting converter boxes. Purchasing and operating a new set-top box in order to try something new, is too big a leap for most customers. With such a large hurdle to overcome, alternative set-top box makers should realistically expect to remain serving just a small niche market and wait several years to catch on with the masses, if ever. Investing massive amounts of money up front and expecting quick returns in 1-3 years is just not realistic.

[rcardona2k]

Need a YouTube box

with true HD quality. AppleTV is a prototype of this. You might be
able to bake in the ads (beforehand) or with a ticker (yuck!). Those
who don't want ads can pay extra it's their choice.

[-fjtorres-]

VOD is a feature, not a product...

...much the same as timeshifting.
That's why TiVo, for all its high media profile, barely clings to a 7% market share.
Consumers will not "pay twice" for their content, as they perceive it. First, when they buy the STB hardware and second when they get the content. (TiVo is worse, you pay a third time, as you watch, because the they sell ads you're expected to sit through.)

The business model needs to change.
Either they lease the boxes or subsidize the sale (like Microsoft's WbTV/MSNTV does) and make up the revenue elsewhere, or they meed to wrap the feature in a standalone product. Notice how everybody sees the Video Marketplace on XBOX as a *bonus* feature? Because nobody buys the XBOX just for VOD; they buy it to play games. VOD is a pleasant addition to the core product. Now, over time, as MS cost-reduces the XBOX and the service grows, you might see some folks buying the XBOX, say when it drops under $199, for VOD first and gaming second, but even those folks are likely to be a minority.
Realistically, VOD is going to remain where it is today: in the same set-top boxes (whether from a CableCo, TelCo, or SatCo) that brings in broadcast programming. The market is theirs to lose cause so far nobody is offering a better deal.

[paulsecic]

HBO, Starz

are enough for me.

[jamie.p.walsh]

I would also buy an AppleTV built into a touch screen, dumbed-down iMac

that's a pretty good offering.

as for the other options, I really think that if the experience on the PS3 ( lacks DVR or cable card) or XBOX 360 (lacks integrated HD-DVD, cable card, and DVR) were a little better I would prefer them over the boxes of today. I hate the VOD offerings my Comcast service offers. Plus, I would rather be able to switch from VOD, to cable TV, to my music, my pics, my movies ( purchased and home movies), and games all from one interface.

[tgrenier]

MCPC

I don't have one but I think you just described a Media Center PC. When I can finally replace (not integrate)my Directv set top box with a wmcpc with full HD support, I'll do it. I have been waiting a long time for this.

[MacGyver95]

Almost Obsolete

These set-top boxes are a waste of money. Remember Divx from Circuit City. These players were more expensive than DVD players, the discs had to be paid for and then every time you watched the disc you had to pay again. People do not want to pay for a box repeatedly. Anyway I can already get thousands of movies from my cable on-demand service and most of these are free. The big deal about these boxes are that the movies are available the same day that the video stores get them but cable is beginning to do that too.
These boxes will be obsolete before most people even know about them.

[jamie.p.walsh]

Yes, cable has some movies same day as DVD, but the titles suck

I remember what a debacle Divx was.

[ifiredmyboss.com]

VOD

Or I can pay $59 for a cheap DVD player and get the DVD from Netflix. I can wait a day or two to get a new release and not have to pay for each movie I see. My NetFlix runs me about $1 -$1.50 for each movie I watch.

[Stormspace]

TiVo already has this...

..via Amazon unbox. In fact I just ordered the new series premiering on NBC this fall and they were free! Movie rentals range from .99 to 4.99 and with a broadband connection you can start watching fairly soon. And the quality on my 42" HD Monitor is at least DVD worthy. So I order the movie and start cooking dinner. By the time dinner is ready I can start watching the movie.

[Macbrewer]

$4.99 to RENT a movie?

That is outrageous.

Netflix has a good service that is PC only for now. Use windoze to
watch an hour for each dollar a month you pay in netflix deliveries.
Not bad. They say a Mac verison is coming soon.

TiVO and Apple TV together would be hard to beat. If they could
toss in Netflix, it would be a coutch potatoes' dream.

[cohaver]

how to fix this

1.make it more than a video hard drive
ad WiFi make it a house video server
Ad Tv guide services HD Radio
Ad DVR services even at Vontage like services into the box the Box must be multi Functional
Even a Web TV box Add video inputs RCA USB for MP3
maybe even a open source Game system but make more than a Video Hard drive

[punterjoe]

Meh

I'm eager for a set top box that plays what I want the way I want it. Apple TV is close but too proprietary. XBox 360s features are similarly a step n the right direction, but not close enough for me to reach for my wallet.
Maybe the pieces of the puzzle aren't in place yet. Copious broadband + ubiquitous file format support might make some future STB the must-have device for open & licensed content.
Just not yet.

[bobby_brady]

I'm scared of IPTV, here's why

I can see where IPTV will be very similar to web based video, where ads will be placed along side the video. In fact if video is formatted in standard 4x3 aspect, IPTV devices could use the sidebars on HD sets as ad space, specifically tower ads that animate. Imagine trying to watch your favorite show with animated tower ads. It's bad enough that cable stations already are using up more and more time with animated ads.

[Millerboy]

Distribution of media

Distribution of media should be democratized for the people to have the ability to distribute media legally.

Give money straight to the artists, producers, directors, actors, and some money to the distributors. It shouldn't be how it is today. Today we are giving too much money to a small oligarchy of media distributors (media conglomerates, movie studios, etc.), and barely anything to the actual entertainers.

[kenfox1]

VUDU - it's definitely worth the price

I was a beta tester for VUDU and agree with most of the reviews where people have actually used the service. They (NYTimes, Wall Street Journal, etc.), and I, thought the user interface was great, the remote with scroll wheel easier and better than any on the market, the remote is RF so you don't have to point it at anything and the box can be in a drawer or closet and doens't have to be on a stack of other boxes. And it is lightning fast - you click on the title and the show starts in a fraction of a second. You don't have to go to your computer and then to the TV, you don't have to wait for a download of 30-45 minutes and then play it later that day or the next day, and the quality is excellent. Its also in high def and they are not making you come back and pay megabucks two yrs later for it as TIVO did.
A Popular Science article online today shows how much more content they have than anyone else. VUDU apparently were able to sign up all six of the major studies; Apple has movies from only 2 of the six. They also signed up 20 independent movie studios. Songs and old TV shows can be had for a pittance, but movies are not cheap to obtain because the content is in the hands of a very few big companies who know exactly how valuable their property is. The movie studios make most of the money - not VUDU or Apple. That is why it costs more. Apple may or may not be cheaper, but they only give you movies from two studios (who may be cheaper, or not.) VUDU charges $400 for the box (think $100 a year for 4 years with high def) as well as the movie charge. You don't have to pay a yearly fee and you only pay for what you rent or buy. Apple has been promising rentals for 2 years and hasn't delivered. You have to buy a movie from iTunes, and who wants to buy their movies? This is the technology that Apple should have delivered. I rooted for little Netflix when they were young and provided a lot new for the marketplace, and I will root for VUDU now. They have a hands-down better product than anyone else, in my opinion. I think those who criticize about the price must use the product in order to see that you pay more for when you are given much more. Read David Pogue in the NYT and run his online video, or today's Popular Science article online. They know more than I do, but I agree with them. These people may charge more, but they have provided much more than anybody else. Good luck to them.

Ken

[chuck_whealton]

I have a bad time with this...

Pay for the box just so you can pay more when you want a movie.

I'm sorry, if I want this I can just get it from cable and pay nothing up front with whatever they charge per month for the unit - which is not even close to $399. Good luck on this one....

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

[cjohn17]

VUDU is Pointless & Disappointing

"It's the rental delay that's killing me. The movies I want to see
are available now on DVD ("La Vie En Rose" and "The Namesake")
and won't be rentable on Vudu until the end of December ... I'm
not willing to wait that long to see something on Vudu
(particularly with no subtitles) ...

I figure at least HD will be good since I won't be buying an HD-
DVD or Blu-ray player because I don't buy DVDs and they're not
rentable at BB ...

Right now, Vudu is not a good fit for me and I should have
waited to buy because for me -- the box is nothing more than a
well-engineered, high-priced doorstop ... frustrating ... " -
VUDU Forum Senior Member, December 2, 2007