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If the rumors are true, and Apple releases an iPod with Mac OS, it will have developed an interesting little computer--not just a video player.

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geeks vs cool
by ChartGEEK September 4, 2007 4:35 AM PDT
all in one mobile warrior = HTC Advantage 7501 with phone, 5" screen, Windows Mobile 6, GPS, etc, etc.

Or UMPC (Ultra Mobile PC) is their HTC Shift with Vista... Yea, both bigger than iphone/pod but I can ADD anything I want to either without cracking the code.
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Too Much?
by kool_skatkat September 4, 2007 5:40 AM PDT
Is it why Steve keeps on insisting that it's not the millions things you put on the device? Some people thing it's not on the Apple device because Apple doesn't how to do it. I think it's because Apple doesn't want to do it.
Nobody wants these things..
by lkrupp September 4, 2007 10:11 AM PDT
"all in one mobile warrior = HTC Advantage 7501 with phone, 5"
screen, Windows Mobile 6, GPS, etc, etc.

Or UMPC (Ultra Mobile PC) is their HTC Shift with Vista... Yea,
both bigger than iphone/pod but I can ADD anything I want to
either without cracking the code."

Fine, except nobody wants to buy these things except "geeks"
who have no money and like fooling around with hard to use
features. The "geeks" just don't get it. They never have and they
never will. They are NOT representative of the market in any
way, shape, or form. They are an aberration who think they
know what the rest of us want and need. They are irrelevant and
the failure of their pet gizmos in the marketplace proves it.
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with its HUGE 8 gig HD
by roark1 September 4, 2007 9:26 PM PDT
8Gig HD doesn't impress me. You can Add somethings with out
cracking the code I suppose. Plus Windows Mobile, well enough
said.
The next ipod will be VERY COOL!
by inachu September 4, 2007 5:31 AM PDT
Touch screen with a virtual wheel.

Just as long as it can play pacman like the other
video ipods can then I'm all smiles!
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Totally correct it turns out
by eldernorm September 9, 2007 1:13 PM PDT
Hey, it was even better than you imagined.

video iPod nano
iPod touch
IPhone cheaper than ever.

ITs an Apple world out there. Come join the real social. :-)

en
It's a PDA
by menotbug September 4, 2007 5:35 AM PDT
I don't know how you can write an entire article struggling to define this new class of mini-PC without even mentioning the word PDA, which, in fact is the correct answer.

The new ipod, if the rumors are true, will be a mobile device that runs a scaled-down version of a big name OS. Hello? It's a PDA, an established piece of technology. No need to think up a more creative term for it.
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It needs to be more than a PDA
by Renegade Knight September 4, 2007 7:24 AM PDT
PDA's are a shrinking market. The iPod needs to be something more than a PDA it win in that arena. Then again they are going to need to be more than just an iPod to win in that arena as well...

Interesting times ahead for the iPod and the mobile device industry as a whole.
PDA sans STYLUS
by ColdMast September 4, 2007 7:31 AM PDT
ala apple it's the iPAD
Just don't call this PDA a PDA
by bobcode September 4, 2007 8:40 AM PDT
It is a PDA, but everyone one avoids the term becuase that conotates the nerdy PalmOS. The limited OS popularized the product, but it's just not a cool at the iPhone, or the small and shiney smart phones. All the other PDAs prefer the term smart phone or pocketPC.

Ironicly, the ability to add software was a compelling point for the PalmOS, but I never used more than the included software, and got the Visor with the SpringBoard, eventough I never bought I never bought modules.
A little different
by Tom Krazit September 4, 2007 9:05 AM PDT
Traditional PDAs (Tungstens, iPaqs) weren't video or music players, at least not to the iPod's ability.
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iPDA
by lantzn September 4, 2007 12:39 PM PDT
I guess that makes it a iPDA.
Bingo!
by DaiMac September 4, 2007 6:32 AM PDT
You hit the nail right on the head- Apple is trying to prevent
stuffing the iPod full of features that only 5% of its users will
actually use. People seem to forget (until the time comes around
to list "greatest tech flops" or somesuch) that Apple already
made this mistake with the Newton and learned from it.

Everybody wants to ascribe the iPod's success to marketing and
such, but the truth is people wanted simple and powerful and
Apple gave it to them. If you want ungodly complex and stuffed
to the brim with near-useless features, there are other
companies for that, as ChartGeek demonstrated so aptly.
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agree
by mattmoo September 4, 2007 11:36 AM PDT
..theres too much applewanking going on. If Jobs launches a PDA IPOD (even writing that sounds wrong) he will have a flop.

I need an IPOD with a bigger screen, a better wheel (i always seem to accidentally select from the menu the choice above the one i want) and better battery life. Thats it.

I'll do my PDA'ing and PC'ing elsewhere thanks Steve....on your iphone and powerbook.

Apple...the new Bang and Olufsen. Bring it on!
Bingo! X2
by douggro September 6, 2007 12:58 PM PDT
>Apple is trying to prevent stuffing the iPod full of features that
only 5% of its users will actually use<

That's the point that people overlook. And if we take this one
progressive step further, you can argue that Apple has limited
the functionality in the iPhone and now the iPod Touch to avoid
competing with their other mobile products, namely the
MacBook and MacBook Pro. If people want the other functions
(email, user-installable apps, etc.) this steers them towards
those products - and let's face it, they will be far more capable
of those tasks than any handheld will likely ever be.

Somewhere back in the deep vestiges of One Infinite Loop, I'm
sure that there is a team working on a true Apple PDA (the
Pippin reincarnate?) that won't play music, but will have Web and
email capability, install apps (ala PalmOS) and interface with your
Mac desktop/laptop seamlessly. Vaporware speculation?
Perhaps. But Steve Jobs has shown a proclivity for knowing what
products users want and bringing them to market..
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RE: PDA
by drumby04 September 4, 2007 6:52 AM PDT
I would put a large chunk of change that Apple will never
produce something that could be classified as a "PDA" (again, if
you call the Newton that). Considering they've already surpassed
that label with the iPhone, they have no reason to straddle it
with another product. Any software that they implement for use
on the iPod (or any device for that matter), including iterations
of OS X, won't resemble anything you've seen on what has been
called a "PDA," nor will it strive to meet the functions necessary
to be classified as such.

I think anyone that believes they can accurately predict what
Apple will do next is crazy. Why those who obviously don't
understand how Apple works would consider this is beyond me.
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Personally, I'd like a PDF reader
by frankz00 September 4, 2007 8:39 AM PDT
All of the eBook readers except Sony's have **** poor support for PDF. Throw a PDF reader on this baby, we have a game changer!
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even Adobe?
by bobcode September 4, 2007 8:41 AM PDT
Even Adobe's own Acrobat for PalmOS or pocketPC?
Archos Players already read PDFs...
by dj_euphonek September 4, 2007 4:50 PM PDT
Archos players - the 404, 504, 604, 604Wifi, and 605wifi already read PDFs very well. The Wifi models also have extremely functional touchscreens and you can add a Web Browser that actually has Flash support.

Hmmm, native support for flash, that means you don't have to have some "spiffy" add-in to watch YouTube videos...and that means you can watch flash videos on ANY other media site.
Son of a Newton
by RobertFHarwood September 4, 2007 8:52 AM PDT
I was an early adopter of the Newton. I still have a Newton to manage my diabetes, the DietLog app for the Newton is the best I have ever seen, including the PalmPilot version. If they put the same handwriting recognition on it that would also be a good thing.

It seems like Steve Jobs is comming around to John Sculley's point of view. If he hadn't killed off the Newton Company he would have quite a team of experienced developers for it.

The Newton's gone, long live the iPod.
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my guess
by ldhoover1 September 4, 2007 8:58 AM PDT
I think Apple will add Bluetooth to the iPod (pad) and then you can use the expanded screen as input for any mobile phone that supports wireless web
any new motorola and Nokia will act as a wireless modem already and Bluetooth doesnt use up much battery so usable life isn't compromised on the iPod

Just my guess tho
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Hey c|net....
by Heebee Jeebies September 4, 2007 9:11 AM PDT
While I am all for an iPod from the iPhone minus the phone and AT&T, how about if you stop all the rumor and gossip junk. Basically you keep saying the same thing over and over but with a different heading. How many times do you plan to gossip about something that hasn't been announced, may not be and has already been gossiped about by you before. Come on how about some real news!

Robert
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Grammar (sorry, it just bugs me)
by eccesignum September 4, 2007 9:14 AM PDT
While I found the story to be interesting, the last sentence just bugged me. It really should be, "What if it *were* a computer, too?"

"In FORMAL writing, use WERE rather than WAS to express a state of affairs that is contrary to the facts: I wish it WERE finished (but it is not); Suppose it WERE true (but it is false); He behaves as though he WERE a millionaire (but he is not). Similarly for hypotetical conditions after if: If John WERE here, he would know; If it WERE to rain we should get wet; He spoke as if I WERE deaf.

In all of the above, WAS is common in less formal styles. But even when you're not attempting formality, WERE is the only choice in inverted sentences: WERE this true, it would be very alarming."

Source:Longman Guide to English Language (Sidney Greenbaum, Jane Whitcut)

Sorry, back to your regularly scheduled arguing. :)
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contrary to reality
by steve4lee September 4, 2007 9:46 AM PDT
The device won't be introduced until tomorrow.

"Was" doesn't make sense, speaking in the past tense of
something that hasn't been introduced.

"Were" in the contrary-to-fact subjunctive sense is also not
logical. Since we don't yet know the facts, how can we know
what is contrary to them? The subjuctive can express a wish, so
maybe "were" could convey the "what if it turns out to be" that
the author was expressing.
You was right :)
by Tom Krazit September 4, 2007 9:48 AM PDT
Our resident grammarians inform me that you're quite correct, we'll tweak that sentence.
Blah!!!
by David Turner September 5, 2007 8:11 AM PDT
Add something useful to the conversation
True widescreen?
by Galley September 4, 2007 10:16 AM PDT
The big question is will the 6G iPod be a true widescreen device
with an aspect ration of 16:9? If so, let's hope it can support
720p content, so the Apple TV and the iPod can finally play back
the same files. Of course, all of this assumes that the iTunes
Store will finally offer 720p content. Forget about 1080p movies;
it ain't happening.
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MORE STORAGE! 120 or 160GB,
by beatmoses September 4, 2007 10:20 AM PDT
I hope they don't forget many who use iPods as secondary music
devises and require a large capacity for our music collection. I keep
hearing about the possibiltiy of flash based pods only.

I want/need at least 120-160GB or more for my music collection.
There are many who simply use it at second homes, bars,
restaurants, stores, studios etc. We plug them in our stereos and
want all the music that fits and more. Don't care about video or
wifi. JUST MORE MUSIC!
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Wait for actual product announcement...
by john55440 September 4, 2007 11:21 AM PDT
Rather than writing iPod fiction articles, Cnet should wait until there are actual products to discuss.
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News Analysis
by dj_euphonek September 4, 2007 4:55 PM PDT
That's why this article is labeled "News Analysis". It's a speculative article that is analyzing what might be released and how it might change the market.
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No limitation on web development
by yacahuma September 4, 2007 11:48 AM PDT
Why the media keep saying that it will be a limitation to develop applications as if they where web applications????? I think is a great idea. You can even simulate an operating system with web development. Search on the internet , there are a couple. I dont see it as a limitation at all. Please steve said that they will look like native applications. So again what the big deal.??

In terms of features. It will be nice to have it wifi enable so I can browse the web instead of a carrying my laptop. I could use web office tools from google. A bigger screen, will be nice for both movies and web browsing. Beyond that, I dont care.
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Your wish is granted. :-)
by eldernorm September 9, 2007 1:19 PM PDT
And Steve says --- "Your wish is granted"
iPod Touch is here.

en
Remote Control GUI
by lantzn September 4, 2007 12:47 PM PDT
How about adding a remote control interface to the big screen iPod
to use with a Mac, AppleTV, gaming or any other Apple device
coming in the future?
Having OS X iPhone like capabilities on the new iPod would make
this possible.
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Here's what I'd like to see...
by mattumanu September 4, 2007 1:45 PM PDT
Assuming it comes with a hardrive, I'd like to see a few photo editing apps that I could use to edit photos on the fly as I offload them from my camera (same goes for video). Also, I'd like it to be that if I surf to a site that features flash games or animations, I can watch/play them just like on a PC/apple computer. I'd also like to be able to listen to internet radio streams and be able to access Skype or something similar to it.

In other words, make it as versatile as necessary to allow people to do what they want to do.
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PowerPoint presentation on iPod
by gaochuhan111 September 5, 2007 10:52 PM PDT
Put PowerPoint presentations on iPod?
Who had imagined this?
Now Wondershare PPT to iPod can do this.
Really charming!
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The coolest thing Apple will never do.
by ralfthedog September 6, 2007 3:36 PM PDT
This is getting closer and closer to something I started wanting when I watched the first Startrek movie.

Take something like the iPhone or the new iPod, put in a DAC and perhaps an ADC with an appropriate amp. You wind up with a software radio that has a full touchscreen interface that (if Apple were to open it up) could be programed to do anything you want.

I guess it would be the first step to a tricorder.
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