Comments on: Apple letter divulges product tidbits

To satisfy environmental critics, Steve Jobs does something he doesn't do often--share product details.

[Alpah Trion]

Greenpeace is all about money

If they didn't have some company to complain about, they couldn't
get the tree huggers to send cash. So they can't be satisfied with
Apple's move... no. Even if Apple had the most eco-PC ever that
was 100 percent made from recycled materials, Greenpeace would
be ******** about the fact that it used electricity.

[Penguinisto]

More than you think...

Lenovo got the big thumbs-up from Greenpeace only after Lenovo coughed up a big fat wad of donation money to the organization.

I can see Apple telling GP where to stick their solicitations, and I think we've seen the results of the brush-off by GP's actions.

/P

[ralfthedog]

Google uses no Toxic chemicals in their search results.

Yes, Google will return search results about toxic chemicals, but the results will not have any actual Lead, Cadmium, Hexavalent Chromium, or
Decabromodiphenyl Ether.

Thank you Google.

[Orion Blastar]

Reuse is better than Recycle

My son is using a used iMac 350Mhz G3 system that I bought him for under $100 over the Internet. If someone turned it in for recycling, we wouldn't even have that option available and couldn't afford to buy a Mac for him.

Many third world nations rely on many wealthy nations to donate their used computers and equipment to them, because they cannot afford new ones.

I only recycle computers and computer parts that cannot be fixed. However, most places that pick them up or take them, charge a fee to take them. It is nice to see, once in a while, companies taking them for free.

I would buy LED monitors myself, except that I cannot afford the high prices. It seems that in going green, the prices go through the roof compared to computers and equipment that aren't as green. This is discrimination against the poor, yet again. Make the prices of green computers and green equipment affordable so that the poor can afford it as well.

[jedirock]

Tough Luck

Sorry if the title seems a little harsh, but that's the price of
innovation. At least you're not paying for military computing
equipment. Those system's probably cost somewhere in the
millions or billions of dollars. Green products will come down in
price as soon as better and cheaper methods and materials are
produced and are determined to be feasible.

[Lpartain]

Nothing but a shake down !!

Greenpeace has been nothing but a shakedown operation for some
time now, along with the Rainbow Coalition and others. These
"advocacy groups" are just a couple steps shy of Bronx style leg
breakers as far as I am concerned. If they feel their causes are so
wonderful why don't they simply solicit donations from the general
population. They know darn well their money would dry up and so
they need to create bad publicity for successful companies and
people to fund their coffers, and thats a fact.

[Speiler9]

When the going gets tough...

Maybe Greenpeace need to be a tough act and use questionable
tactics to get results. They are up against a lot of people who will
do the same to cover their tracks. Since when did asking
corporations nicely pretty please to clean up their act have any
effect whatsoever?

[Reverend_Shank]

Screw Greenpeace...

We should not really be concerned by a group of eco-terrorists and bullys making crazy demands. BTW, who is stupid enough to just throw away an old iPod or Mac? There is tons of good stuff in there that can be salvaged, or better, just fix it yourself, use it as a techtools recovery box, or a dedicated NAS system, or whatever.

[dart170]

I reuse ... but....

Yes, most of my equipment is used, not to save the planet, but to save me money. When I get rid of equipment I either sell it, or throw it out. I am still running PII systems with sub 10gb drives. I still have some 3 & 486 boxes around, and even an 8088 or 2. Dozens of 17" crt's sit in my garage, with several old Macs and AppleII's. I love my "come haul it away" connections, they don't care what happens to it as long as the data is destroyed. Some stuff is worthless, like 17" crt's so they go in the trash 1 or 2 at a time. I strip the steel from the old cases because I get PAYED for scrap steel. That is the key, when I get PAYED to "recycle" this stuff, I will. When I have to pay to recycle it FAT CHANCE.

REMEMBER IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND PROFIT no matter if it is greencheese, or whomever.

Oh and I don't buy from companys that spend tons of money on recycling, it drives up the cost of their product, and I refuse to pay that inflated price!

[Kalama]

Maybe a Small Fee ...

I saw / heard / read somewhere that the most ( or right up there
) recycled, toxic metal was lead ... as in lead acid batteries.
Cars, trucks and all that stuff. Part of is, if you go down to your
Sears, United Battery, NAPA << and many other locations >>
and purchase a new battery, there's $5 built into the price & a
rebate coupon to boot.

Maybe the same should be done with computers.

BTW ... in my home county, the solid wast facility allows me to
bring in scrap steel, tin cans ( aluminium ) and glass for free. All
have a resale market. Computer monitors ? 4 bucks a shot! So
of course they get tossed into the dumpsters rether than
recycled, as one of the privious writters mentioned.

[Llib Setag]

A Greener Apple

Go to Apple & read the Greener Apple statement.

Draw your own conclusions...not C|Net's or Greenpeace's interpretation / spin.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/

[dart170]

another thing to remember

Computer companys are on the "recycle" bandwagon to "collect up" all of the computers that could be handed down. Remember Mickeysoft, Dull, Compcrap ... make NO PROFIT on that computer you sold at your yardsale. That computer you donated didn't generate new profit for them. Yet they want to charge YOU to recycle it! what a joke.
A "core charge" (that would be the correct term for the car battery example)is just another way to get that old but still working computer "off the streets" so more new computers can be sold. Always follow the money to find the true motive!

At least I am honest when I say I am all about the money!

[krosha--2008]

Witch Hunts

IIRC, the original criticisim Greenpeace had of Apple wasn't that it was "BAD", although they certainly say that about all CE makers, but that they didn't publish their roadmap for decreasing waste. And, let's face it, the only reason that they had a pop at Apple was because of the strength of the brand.

Now that Jobs has issued his roadmap, it'll be interesting to see where Apple are the next time Greenpeace decides to bash the electronics guys for their practices. According to the Apple statement, a lot of what they were criticised for had already been dealt with, but not, in typical Apple fashion, publicisied.

For the record, I passed my G3 iMac to my GF, as I'll do with my spare G4 DA when the iMac dies (which won't be long). Then the iMac gets turned into a fishtank and the guts recycled. The iMac, DA, my G4 MDD and my parents' iBook were all salvaged from the companies I've worked at when decommissioned. I've never had to pay for a computer. Reuse until it dies, then dispose of responsibly.

[krosha--2008]

Original statement

From the Greenpeace website (my emphasis):

Apple has made no changes to its policies or practices since the launch of the Guide in August 2006. The company scores badly on almost all criteria. Apple fails to embrace the precautionary principle, withholds its full list of regulated substances and provides no timelines for eliminating toxic polyvinyl chloride(PVC) and no commitment to phasing out all uses of brominated flame retardants (BFRs). Apple performs poorly on product take back and recycling, with the exception of reporting on the amounts of its electronic waste recycled.

[krosha--2008]

Original statement

From the Greenpeace website (my emphasis):

Apple has made no changes to its policies or practices since the launch of the Guide in August 2006. The company scores badly on almost all criteria. Apple fails to embrace the precautionary principle, withholds its full list of regulated substances and provides no timelines for eliminating toxic polyvinyl chloride(PVC) and no commitment to phasing out all uses of brominated flame retardants (BFRs). Apple performs poorly on product take back and recycling, with the exception of reporting on the amounts of its electronic waste recycled.

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Totally recyclable computer

Apple's recent progress in this area is great, but what the world really needs are totally recyclable computers. Now THAT would be the iPod of green computers.