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Social networking site and other groups are trying to address concerns that kids are being set up for trouble.
Social networking site and other groups are trying to address concerns that kids are being set up for trouble.
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the 2nd big part of the problem is that it has been blown WAY out of proportion - there was an article on one of my local news stations (tv) the other night about how a detective had something like 175 people on his Myspace buddylist within 2 weeks of making a profile acting out as a 19 year old (i think thats how old he made himself out to be on his profile) - the thing is (from what I've heard from people that use myspace) is that people add buddies casually just for minute little commonalities and dont really give much of a damn about the person aside from that - so ya, you can say "I have 175 friends" but you'll also have to mention that "and not a one of us gives a damn about the other aside from what part of last nights show they liked best"
the 3rd big part of the problem is false user accounts - of course you dont want to put on your profile meant for picking up girls your age that you like saturday morning cartoons because it'll come across as too childish to pick up the girls you're looking for, so what do you do - you go make a secondary profile that says all of the stupid stuff you really wanna say. the bad part of it is, you put down on that secondary profile that you are 15 so it seems (slightly) more age appropriate to be watching kiddy cartoons - then you get some 15 year old girl liking you, and well, you can imagine where it goes from there (the myspace child-predator horror stories that get so hyped up)...
You can say restict you kids internet access -- inpossible. They can get it at the library and at school.
I have seen what some teens do on MySpace. it would shock most perople. is it just talk? maybe not.
Is it overblown? For most teens yes, but for some, no. It provides conectivity and outreach beyond any tool our kids have had efore, even on the internet up to this point (it has been this way on myspace for several years.)
Should MyPSace police itself? YES Many of thie things on MySpace should not be allowed on any forum where kids can easily set up an account form anywhere in a few minutes.
the real question is... how to validate that kids are kids? No matter what restrictions we put on them, we ar relying on their answers to presonal questions, like their age, to restrict their access to the content and tools provided. We al lknow they can fake it.
This is the real question I have seen NOBODY even attempt to tackle....
until the internet becomes a place where your identity can be validated, it will be the wild wild west, and it WILL be an unsafe tol for kids who want to be (or don;t know better than to be) unsafe.
yes, it is like the real world, but the number of people and search tools, and systems that can see this information multiplies the real threat from anything we've experienced in the past.
I feel that myspace.com needs to step up to the plate and do what is right. If they actually cared for the youth of today they would take stronger measures to ensure the online safety of our youth. Implement strong verbal filters; make the site for adults only, whatever. Basically just about anything would be a bigger effort than they are making now.
Don't close that book, I wasn't done reading it over your shoulder.*
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Listen, it's cute that you care about what your kids do online, but the mere fact that you feel an extreme need to "spy" on your child just proves you haven't done your job.
As a parent, your obligation is to your kids. It is YOUR job to make sure Johnny and Susy get to bed on-time, brush their teeth, and eat their nasty green vegetables. You've conquered that part, but where have you gone wrong to the point that your children need to have you looking over their shoulder as they use MySpace?
MySpace, Inc. is making great steps towards a better future for its users. It just hired one of the best CSOs in history, and it is adding more tools to help them spot underage users and ToC violations.
If you are THAT worried about Johnny looking at Tila Tequila's ass all day - get NetNanny, and block MySpace. Honestly, quick fix. Or, try putting the computer in a common room, and be around your kids more (not right over their shoulder though).
Just about anything you do - will be a bigger effort than what you are doing now.
- Ryan Gonzales
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Ryan is the Founder & Lead Designer/Developer for the Gonzago Community Network.
visit GonzalesMedia.com | for his blog
Not only do teens have a strong sense of immortality and think they are invincible, they also have a very false sense of security when they are on the internet. How could it possibly be dangerous when they are in their own home, in their own environment, with their parents in the house? They may have been taught all the 'right' things and been informed of the possible dire consequences. Nevertheless, they will take risks because they think that they are safe.
MySpace is dangerous and the policies need changed NOW.
Concerned and Angry,
Evelyn Levino
They can't.
If they could I could just email myspace and get access to anyones 14-17 year old account by impersonating their parent.
While many teenagers feel they are invincable, many parents see danger around every corner. (Where it doesn't exist)
Both attitudes are dangerous to the development of a healthy adult.
Thanks,
Jason Valdivia
www.myspace.com/jasv
My humble opinion.
It's not perfect, but it is a start.
Cars are perfect.
Guns are perfect.
People just ruin perfection by-and-by.
- Ryan Gonzales
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Ryan is the Founder & Lead Designer/Developer for the Gonzago Community Network.
visit GonzalesMedia.com | for his blog
I don't see parents throwing a fit over Catholic Churches for their child molestation problem committed by priests... as far as I know, parents still brought their children every Sunday as scheduled by God.
Perhaps if mommy paid a little more attention at home instead of watching Desperate Housewives, this wouldn't be an issue. 70 million people, there will be a few bad apples... I'm sure kids were being molested well before MySpace, I'm sure staturory rape was a problem long before MySpace, so where is the real issue?
1) If you have the email address your child signed up with and the MySpace password, then you can go into account settings and select the Cancel option. However it doesn't stop there. That only sends a code to the email address they signed up with. Now you have to have THAT password as well and get the code to enter it into the final step on MySpace acct. Now sure this even works--I was unable to do this because my son "forgot" his email password.
2) In this case, MySpace says just to "delete all the content" from the profile and type in "Remove Profile" in the ABOUT ME section. This supposedly will alert them that a parent has taken over the acct and wants it removed.
3) I tried that and it's been a week and the profile still exists. By the way, they don't actually give you any hints as to HOW to delete the content. Most kids are prolific and leave messages all over the place. You'll never get them all. The place to start is shutting off access to the information on your child's acct. Disallow profile comments unless approved. Actually change the screen name your child has chosen to something else. Uncheck all the information your child chose to show. Go in an "edit" all the pieces of the profile, thereby changing the look of the site as well. You can delete all the friends, but you may want to wait to do that last. Because you can delete your child's comments on OTHER profiles as well, but some of them are set to "friend only" viewing. Go delete any comments you find first, then delete the friends and put "Remove Profile" in the ABOUT ME section.
My last point would be that almost all of my child's friends easily revealed enough information for me to know things like ages, teachers, class schedules, social activities- past and future, family member's names and other family details, including area of town or street in some cases. The sad thing is, I didn't really have to look for it. I was simply looking for and deleting all my son's stuff (which took about 4 hours BTW!).
Talking to your child is one thing, but it is just to easy for children to do what they wish in spite of good sense. Really as parents we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand you don't want to blatantly spy all the time, but on the other hand, people who engineer these sites must make it a bit easier for us to control what's going on with our children, short of disallowing internet usage. This whole process was a complete hassle and MySpace still hasn't deleted the acct!
let's just say that:
1.) kids wouldn't give their password after hearing about what
you tried to do
2.) just hope your child is smart enough so not put personal
info, and screen name, & then you'll be good.
GOOOOOOOD JOB!
By any chance, are you related to Fidel Castro?
Cause he uses the same techniques for EVERYTHING in Cuba...
- Ryan Gonzales
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Ryan is the Founder & Lead Designer/Developer for the Gonzago Community Network.
visit GonzalesMedia.com | for his blog
I just wanted to give a teenagers perspective to these parents who say they were "furious and outraged" etc. If you didnt know your child had a myspace in the first place, do u really care about your child? i mean to me its obvious if you pay any attention to a child myspacer. If you dont know whats going on in your own home, i would be more worried about whats going on outside your home.
I am the author of the upcoming book "MySpace Ruins Lives: the New Internet". It details the numerous escapades of pedophiles, rapists, and murderous scumbags who use MySpace. But it isn't all about them. The book also details the amazing climb up the Internet ladder that Tom Anderson and Chris DeWolfes MySpace.com took.
What I mean to say is - to you, the author - just because you've never heard of it happening, doesn't mean it can't or hasn't happened. Things like molestation and rape, even on a high school campus, remain very hush hush - need to know.
And if there is one thing you need to know, it is this - be careful on the Internet. Whether it's MySpace, Blogger, or even CNet (sorry boys)... Weirdos exist whether you believe it or not.
- Ryan Gonzales
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Ryan is the Founder & Lead Designer/Developer for the Gonzago Community Network.
visit GonzalesMedia.com | for his blog
1.) Your kid is probably far more tech savy then you are, even if he/she is not, they've got way more time then you to find a work-around to your efforts.
2.) Forcing your kid to remove a profile can be a huge blow to the childs social learning. If most the other kids are doing it (which they usually are) then most social events and much of the necessary interactions required for good social development are conducted online.
3.) When I was a kid it was hard to hang out with friends alone... we'd work extra hard to find back ally's, undersides of bridges, and other dark places kids shouldn't be just for a feeling of independance. I'd rather my kid got that feeling online then in some remote unsafe location.
4.) Monitoring a myspace account is easy. Go online and see what your kid is doing. If you want, be put on their friends list. You'll have complete access that way. If you don't have time for this, refer to #1.
If children only had the ability to publish their information / content to real people that they know, in an environment which was separate from the open Internet (meaning not accessible via indexing and search) then 95% of the issues popping up would be mitigated.
If you combine inexperienced users, with self generated content that is then published in an open environment or platform?..then parents will continue to have a reason to be concerned for their children?s safety. At Industrious Kid, we?re working hard to solve this particular problem and we look forward to offering a solution at the end of this month.
You sound just like Rupert Murdoch...
Talk is cheap. Produce, produce, produce. Then let the people decide if it works.
Sounds like you are pushing CENSORSHIP though, and that won't fly with today's youth, friend. Not one bit.
- Ryan Gonzales
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Ryan is the Founder & Lead Designer/Developer for the Gonzago Community Network.
visit GonzalesMedia.com | for his blog
--take the freakin stick out of your butt and CHILL OUT ABOUT MYSPACE. oh and that new person in charge of it, NO ONE LIKES YOUR IMMAGRANT BEHIND ANYWAYS.
screw off.
*stupidityeats TB*
blahblah....stupid people....blahblah....rich stupid little wenches....blahblah.....some nonsense about trees....blahblah...trees...died...stupid idiots.....blahblah....not as wealthy people stop it too....blahblah....some stuff on the line of "teens don't need to be responsible for themselves, our days of responsibilities will come soon enough" so stop being jealous....blahblah....my parents trust me, so stop being bad parents and trust your kids....blahblah.....and the best part of it all....We all have sticks in our butts and must be immigrants.
Yeah. You are the reason people need to check what our kids are saying online, I would be very concerned if my daughter were talking to people in general the way you do, but I have taught her to be a little more respectful that that. Just because you can't see our faces, does not give you the right to be down right rude. Now, as for your point, I might be a little more interested in it if it was delivered in a more polite and respectful manner. I doubt I'm alone in this thought.
Kathy
I find this REDICULOUS that these parents are reacting this way!! Like seriously if they dont like their kids being on myspace & if their child is under the age limit then they should do something about it. MAYBE they should stop trying to blame people for their mistakes & take action & sit their kids down & tell them how dangerous it could be to give out personal information to people they dont know! But instead of doing that they want to point fingers.. I'd hate to say this, but everytime u point a finger at someone you have 3 POINTING BACK AT YOU!!!!!!
MySpace isnt a bad website!! Its very popular with teens, young adults, and even some adults have a profile there. I dont understand why everyone is over reacting about this!! MySpace just gives us young adults something to do while we're online. I know alot of times i'll be sitting in front of my computer bored out of my mind & then I'd go and log into myspace & start chatting with my friends!
I see it like this, AOL has chat rooms, myspace is similar to AOL the only difference is that AOL is an ISP & they charge money, & MySpace is a website and its for TEENS, YOUNG ADULTS, ANYONE OVER THE AGE OF 16!!
There is one thing I did want to point out though, I have noticed some girls & some boys that are under the limit age that lie on their profile and say they are 18 or 19 years old.. Maybe those concerned parents should be worried about that. Or maybe they should be worried bout what music their children listen to.. YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED to take away the LITTLE privacy us teens have just because some parents dont know how to do their jobs & keep an eye on their children!!
"MySpam"
At least 98% of what I recieve in my MySpace inbox gets flag as Spam and it just keeps rolling in..
something less than a joke, the proverbial drop in the ocean.
The reality is this, kids are going to do what they want no matter
what steps parents take to protect the best interest of their
children / teens.
Internet access is available outside of the home as well, and
there is little we can do as parents to "protect" our kids from the
internet / myspace.
So this position myspace has taken to reach out to parents
means what exactly???
Look, we as parents already know what goes through the
teenage mind, (we were there once too you know) this is why it
is easy to see what is really going on with it.
So, to all you myspacers out there fighting to preserve your
precious myspace rights, just remember that perhaps you too
will be a "parent" some day and the role will be reversed.
Myspace is a parental concern, and for good reason, not because
of "myspace" as a social networking tool.
I think it is time for the X & Y generation to take some
responsibility in this "myspace controversy" and stop with this
narrow view on life (seems only to focus on themselves). Stop
with all the garbage that there is nothing wrong with "Myspace"
well that may be true, it is just the human element of myspace
that I have a problem with. (the people on it)
So, to the 50 million teens out there flirting and psoing on
myspace... I say clean up your act! so that we don't have to.
As for the parents out there, this is not best addressed as
parnets vs. teens it is about approaching this a a family.
Teens need to some how identify with parents concerns and
learn to honor the requests if they value the integrity of their
family unit. If you do not value your family then you should
move the hell out and stop blamming Mom & Dad for ruining
your chances of being a brain surgeon!
Go ahead and give yourself to "myspace" see where it gets you
emo!
Telling other people's kids how to act is not going to affect them
at all. you are not someone they *have* to listen to, therefore,
they won't.
It does always amuse me though... people will come on here and
argue about myspace being dangerous for their kids, but yet
when given options to block it, they protest. *** are you
thinking?? do you just expect your kids to blindly accept when
you say "no, you can't have a myspace account"?? Yeah.. right.
They'll say they understand, and then the second you have your
back turned, they will be making their profile.
what parents need to understand is that myspace is only as bad
as the people that your child has as friends. if your kid is stupid
and has no common sense at all, then sure, myspace can be a
bad thing. if your kid is even halfway intelligent, then they
wouldn't be posting almost nude pictures, their home address
and phone number, their real name, ect ect ect. Take a look at
what YOUR kid is doing, and address that.
and just so you know, I'm not a teen anymore, but I'm not that
far from it. I got my myspace account when I was 19, and I've
used it to keep in touch with my high school and college friends.
I don't add anyone to my friends list that I don't already know,
and I don't post my real information on there (hell, the town it
says i live in on there is actually about an hour away).
Teach your kid to be smart, and we wouldn't be having this
problem. The only problem with that is you actually have to do
something for yourself, instead of blaming it all on someone
else.
So are you up for the job?
- Swimming With Sharks
- by A_Parent May 3, 2006 9:58 AM PDT
- I trust my daughter's judgment on the type of friends she hangs out with, the way she conducts herself away from home. I encourage her with regard to her artistic expression. I applaud her originality in terms of her style of dress. I trust her not to hand feed sharks, but...I won't let her swim with them. I blocked access to myspace from my home computer (using stopspace.com) not because I desire to impede my daughter's growth or freedom, but because there are other ways to foster her talents, and safer outlets to express herself in environments that don't carry the risks associated with Myspace. I don't trust the mechanisms Myspace has employed to privatize the sites of younger account holders, and feel Myspace's attempts at reaching out to parents are too little, and too late for the ones already going under the water.
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- Regarding the Sharks.
- by stargazer14382 May 9, 2006 9:54 PM PDT
- I see your viewpoint as to keeping myspace out of your home if your daughter is underage. However, she does have other outlets to obtain a myspace page. You can't keep her from everything and contrary to what most people think Myspace is not the one to blame for the endangerment of the children you speak of. If anyone is to blame, it is parents who do not monitor their children's online activities closely enough. I am not a parent myself, but I am an older sister. My parents keep a close eye on my brothers online activities and keep track of his myspace. He has limited account access as far as the internet goes and he is trusted to stay within thouse guidelines. As far as your ideals on how to limit your childs access, I applaud you for keeping her away from something you think dangerous. However, I think you go to far in blaming myspace for their lack of effort, when in all actuality it's not their responsibility to keep children safe. It is a parents obligation and nobody else's. Don't condemn an entreprenuer for having a creative idea just because there are monsters in the world that use it for wrong doings. It's like saying the mother of a murderer is guilty because she gave birth!
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