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impossible for a single company to develop an alternative
platform and try to get Microsoft partners to have a look at
Apple integrated platform.
On the software side, Microsoft develops average products but
always programmable by newbies and they respect customers by
updating and keeping a direction over the years.
So Apple has a great piece of software, now rooted in open
source, which opens up the range of technologists available for
writing new products. What was missing was an edge to
compete on the hardware front with such a small market share.
With the adoption of Intel motherboards, Apple can now
concentrate on building a stable platform client and server. They
have media people and educators, if they want enterprises they
need a good server software, an Exchange clone that provide
email and agenda for thousands of users, a programmable
Office equivalent and an easier programming language than they
currently propose (they should buy RealBasic).
If they don't address enterprises concerns, they will stay in the
small league.
impossible for a single company to develop an alternative
platform and try to get Microsoft partners to have a look at
Apple integrated platform.
On the software side, Microsoft develops average products but
always programmable by newbies and they respect customers by
updating and keeping a direction over the years.
So Apple has a great piece of software, now rooted in open
source, which opens up the range of technologists available for
writing new products. What was missing was an edge to
compete on the hardware front with such a small market share.
With the adoption of Intel motherboards, Apple can now
concentrate on building a stable platform client and server. They
have media people and educators, if they want enterprises they
need a good server software, an Exchange clone that provide
email and agenda for thousands of users, a programmable
Office equivalent and an easier programming language than they
currently propose (they should buy RealBasic).
If they don't address enterprises concerns, they will stay in the
small league.
impossible for a single company to develop an alternative
platform and try to get Microsoft partners to have a look at
Apple integrated platform.
On the software side, Microsoft develops average products but
always programmable by newbies and they respect customers by
updating and keeping a direction over the years.
So Apple has a great piece of software, now rooted in open
source, which opens up the range of technologists available for
writing new products. What was missing was an edge to
compete on the hardware front with such a small market share.
With the adoption of Intel motherboards, Apple can now
concentrate on building a stable platform client and server. They
have media people and educators, if they want enterprises they
need a good server software, an Exchange clone that provide
email and agenda for thousands of users, a programmable
Office equivalent and an easier programming language than they
currently propose (they should buy RealBasic).
If they don't address enterprises concerns, they will stay in the
small league.
impossible for a single company to develop an alternative
platform and try to get Microsoft partners to have a look at
Apple integrated platform.
On the software side, Microsoft develops average products but
always programmable by newbies and they respect customers by
updating and keeping a direction over the years.
So Apple has a great piece of software, now rooted in open
source, which opens up the range of technologists available for
writing new products. What was missing was an edge to
compete on the hardware front with such a small market share.
With the adoption of Intel motherboards, Apple can now
concentrate on building a stable platform client and server. They
have media people and educators, if they want enterprises they
need a good server software, an Exchange clone that provide
email and agenda for thousands of users, a programmable
Office equivalent and an easier programming language than they
currently propose (they should buy RealBasic).
If they don't address enterprises concerns, they will stay in the
small league.
impossible for a single company to develop an alternative
platform and try to get Microsoft partners to have a look at
Apple integrated platform.
On the software side, Microsoft develops average products but
always programmable by newbies and they respect customers by
updating and keeping a direction over the years.
So Apple has a great piece of software, now rooted in open
source, which opens up the range of technologists available for
writing new products. What was missing was an edge to
compete on the hardware front with such a small market share.
With the adoption of Intel motherboards, Apple can now
concentrate on building a stable platform client and server. They
have media people and educators, if they want enterprises they
need a good server software, an Exchange clone that provide
email and agenda for thousands of users, a programmable
Office equivalent and an easier programming language than they
currently propose (they should buy RealBasic).
If they don't address enterprises concerns, they will stay in the
small league.
impossible for a single company to develop an alternative
platform and try to get Microsoft partners to have a look at
Apple integrated platform.
On the software side, Microsoft develops average products but
always programmable by newbies and they respect customers by
updating and keeping a direction over the years.
So Apple has a great piece of software, now rooted in open
source, which opens up the range of technologists available for
writing new products. What was missing was an edge to
compete on the hardware front with such a small market share.
With the adoption of Intel motherboards, Apple can now
concentrate on building a stable platform client and server. They
have media people and educators, if they want enterprises they
need a good server software, an Exchange clone that provide
email and agenda for thousands of users, a programmable
Office equivalent and an easier programming language than they
currently propose (they should buy RealBasic).
If they don't address enterprises concerns, they will stay in the
small league.
So perhaps it's poetic justice that since Apple has not been able to win back a large portion of the PC market, they have done it with the MP3 Market. I for one love APPLE products, love the company mentality, and love the "CULT following. SO I guess you can call me one of the "CHILDREN OF THE CORN". Better to be that then to be locked into "The Microsoft MATRIX".
PS - Let me know how Vista is if they ever release it before the year 2100.
to let's say, Compusa, and go to the Mac area and you're going
to notice that the store's bathroom is bigger than the Mac's
area."
>> I've always noticed that there are so many choices for the PC
and no one can tell which choice is the best, or why. I guess I
prefer a basic computer already assembled from high
performance compatible components. After that, The Mac's are
not limited by choices - except that Mac's do require plug and
play capabilities which Windows has yet to figure out.
"And what about internet plugins? "
>> What about them? I have all the internet plug-ins needed
with no problem at all. Haven't noticed any missing internet
content.
" windows is a better system when it comes to content and that's
what people are really looking for"
>> A lot of windows users won't agree with you. And a whole lot
of windows users haven't a clue about what they are really
looking for.
"Give me more content, better internet experience and get rid of
the "children of the corn" cult sick mentality and I'm the first one
to get the next Mac"
>>Not hardly. It's already there and you're still happy with your
head in the sand - like a lot of window users. But that's okay -
you're happy.
Go in piace....
No plug-in for the Internet? Are you talking about the closed,
propiretary Microsoft technologies that make some web pages
only work with Internet Explorer 6 and above?
That's not the Internet. That's MCSE diploma mill graduates best
work. It keeps MS in control of their own little worlds while the
rest of the Internet goes about its business working with every
web browser.
Now, if I'm selling something, do I want to appeal to simply a
majority of the Internet, or to 100 percent of the Internet?
Hmmm, my math may not be up to date with the latest thing,
but that adds up to staying away from proprietary MS technology
if I want to sell to the largest number of people?
Add in the fact that Mac users spend more money per capita
online than PC users do, and the numbers for the latter choice
seem even better.
Plus, I have Photoshop on my Mac. If my software choices are so
pathetic, what do I need to buy for a PC to do my work better?
That joke that Microsoft is preparing to take on Adobe with?
Yeah, you PC guys have all the good stuff.
absurd. Also, How do you not think Microsoft is a Monopoly?
They own 90% of the overall PC market. Thats a monopoly
period, regardless of what the government deems as such.
Either way, I do believe Apple is working hard at changing all
those issues like for one, the choices in software which I believe
is a major reason that a Windows PC seems more attractive than
a Mac PC. But you have to look at the Mac's marketshare which
stands at paltry 5% worldwide, developers aren't going to easily
flock to the Mac, based on that figure. But if you look down the
road the Mac has a very bright future in respect to software
development and capturing back marketshare.
Why?
And this is where people don't realize how hard Apple's been
working, maybe even harder than Microsoft (which isn't hard to
believe). In the Apple world, when it comes to innovation they've
taken giant leaps (counter to what Microsoft and PC vendors
have been doing, lately) for one, they have successfully moved
to a new operating system which is OS X, two, they have
switched from the Power PC to Intel, three, they are refining OS
X so in creating software it will be more easy for developers to
develop for both a Windows PC and a Mac based on their switch
to Intel (which would be a true universal binary, contrary to the
Power PC and Intel mac binary, they've been talking about). With
there switch to Intel they have improved the Internet experience
overwhelmingly you just need to use one and realize how fast it
is. So I defintiely think the Mac will capture back marketshare.
Though, if they wanted they could easily license OS X to other PC
Manufacturers and overnight they will easily capture 20% or
more of the marketshare, software developers will flock to the
mac easily. So really the mac does have a bright future down the
road, so get your money ready.
So perhaps it's poetic justice that since Apple has not been able to win back a large portion of the PC market, they have done it with the MP3 Market. I for one love APPLE products, love the company mentality, and love the "CULT following. SO I guess you can call me one of the "CHILDREN OF THE CORN". Better to be that then to be locked into "The Microsoft MATRIX".
PS - Let me know how Vista is if they ever release it before the year 2100.
No plug-in for the Internet? Are you talking about the closed,
propiretary Microsoft technologies that make some web pages
only work with Internet Explorer 6 and above?
That's not the Internet. That's MCSE diploma mill graduates best
work. It keeps MS in control of their own little worlds while the
rest of the Internet goes about its business working with every
web browser.
Now, if I'm selling something, do I want to appeal to simply a
majority of the Internet, or to 100 percent of the Internet?
Hmmm, my math may not be up to date with the latest thing,
but that adds up to staying away from proprietary MS technology
if I want to sell to the largest number of people?
Add in the fact that Mac users spend more money per capita
online than PC users do, and the numbers for the latter choice
seem even better.
Plus, I have Photoshop on my Mac. If my software choices are so
pathetic, what do I need to buy for a PC to do my work better?
That joke that Microsoft is preparing to take on Adobe with?
Yeah, you PC guys have all the good stuff.
absurd. Also, How do you not think Microsoft is a Monopoly?
They own 90% of the overall PC market. Thats a monopoly
period, regardless of what the government deems as such.
Either way, I do believe Apple is working hard at changing all
those issues like for one, the choices in software which I believe
is a major reason that a Windows PC seems more attractive than
a Mac PC. But you have to look at the Mac's marketshare which
stands at paltry 5% worldwide, developers aren't going to easily
flock to the Mac, based on that figure. But if you look down the
road the Mac has a very bright future in respect to software
development and capturing back marketshare.
Why?
And this is where people don't realize how hard Apple's been
working, maybe even harder than Microsoft (which isn't hard to
believe). In the Apple world, when it comes to innovation they've
taken giant leaps (counter to what Microsoft and PC vendors
have been doing, lately) for one, they have successfully moved
to a new operating system which is OS X, two, they have
switched from the Power PC to Intel, three, they are refining OS
X so in creating software it will be more easy for developers to
develop for both a Windows PC and a Mac based on their switch
to Intel (which would be a true universal binary, contrary to the
Power PC and Intel mac binary, they've been talking about). With
there switch to Intel they have improved the Internet experience
overwhelmingly you just need to use one and realize how fast it
is. So I defintiely think the Mac will capture back marketshare.
Though, if they wanted they could easily license OS X to other PC
Manufacturers and overnight they will easily capture 20% or
more of the marketshare, software developers will flock to the
mac easily. So really the mac does have a bright future down the
road, so get your money ready.
to let's say, Compusa, and go to the Mac area and you're going
to notice that the store's bathroom is bigger than the Mac's
area."
>> I've always noticed that there are so many choices for the PC
and no one can tell which choice is the best, or why. I guess I
prefer a basic computer already assembled from high
performance compatible components. After that, The Mac's are
not limited by choices - except that Mac's do require plug and
play capabilities which Windows has yet to figure out.
"And what about internet plugins? "
>> What about them? I have all the internet plug-ins needed
with no problem at all. Haven't noticed any missing internet
content.
" windows is a better system when it comes to content and that's
what people are really looking for"
>> A lot of windows users won't agree with you. And a whole lot
of windows users haven't a clue about what they are really
looking for.
"Give me more content, better internet experience and get rid of
the "children of the corn" cult sick mentality and I'm the first one
to get the next Mac"
>>Not hardly. It's already there and you're still happy with your
head in the sand - like a lot of window users. But that's okay -
you're happy.
Go in piace....
He mentioned in the interview that his right hand guy, Tevanian quit because he, like Jobs, was frustrated with the board?s unwillingness to sell OSX as a stand-alone to companies like Dell and others. Jobs said ?we should have done it 25 years ago?. There is speculation Tevanian will be working on base code for a new OS called Final-Step to allow Jobs and Tevanian to implement a Grey-Goo scenario for the software OS world.
Jobs was tight lipped about the Tevanian departure. And he was clearly frustrated when one looks at his responses to questions in the interview. This reporter speculates that the next big thing will be either a split at Apple (where the best and brightest go with Jobs and Tevanian) or a long awaited spin-off is announced for the software division.
Meanwhile in the interview, another bombshell was the statement by Jobs that the music industry is forcing Apple to sell Itunes music only as compatible with Ipods as part of an agreement to obtain the backing of the RIAA. ?If we had our way with this? said Jobs, ?we would sell the songs unprotected so they could work on all players. We think we can develop an algorithm to provide universal song copy protection, but the Music industry was not interested, and if you look closely, you will find on the shelves new CDs that only work in your CD player and not on you computer?, said Jobs.
It looks to me like the original hardware junkie is finally growing up.
In keeping with the longstanding warnings about what you read on the internet, Jobs also warned us that we should be especially careful about what we believe when we read anything on April first.
agreeable to me. What I don't understand is why doesn't the
Apple board see it as a good thing, if they were to license OS X
to other PC Manufacturers.. There isn't a much better time than
now while MS is still trying to work Vista out. I'm sure they can
still license it and make PCs as well...Surely they do know that
they'll make more money selling the OS than selling both the
machine and the OS.
I just don't understand what their waiting for..
He mentioned in the interview that his right hand guy, Tevanian quit because he, like Jobs, was frustrated with the board?s unwillingness to sell OSX as a stand-alone to companies like Dell and others. Jobs said ?we should have done it 25 years ago?. There is speculation Tevanian will be working on base code for a new OS called Final-Step to allow Jobs and Tevanian to implement a Grey-Goo scenario for the software OS world.
Jobs was tight lipped about the Tevanian departure. And he was clearly frustrated when one looks at his responses to questions in the interview. This reporter speculates that the next big thing will be either a split at Apple (where the best and brightest go with Jobs and Tevanian) or a long awaited spin-off is announced for the software division.
Meanwhile in the interview, another bombshell was the statement by Jobs that the music industry is forcing Apple to sell Itunes music only as compatible with Ipods as part of an agreement to obtain the backing of the RIAA. ?If we had our way with this? said Jobs, ?we would sell the songs unprotected so they could work on all players. We think we can develop an algorithm to provide universal song copy protection, but the Music industry was not interested, and if you look closely, you will find on the shelves new CDs that only work in your CD player and not on you computer?, said Jobs.
It looks to me like the original hardware junkie is finally growing up.
In keeping with the longstanding warnings about what you read on the internet, Jobs also warned us that we should be especially careful about what we believe when we read anything on April first.
agreeable to me. What I don't understand is why doesn't the
Apple board see it as a good thing, if they were to license OS X
to other PC Manufacturers.. There isn't a much better time than
now while MS is still trying to work Vista out. I'm sure they can
still license it and make PCs as well...Surely they do know that
they'll make more money selling the OS than selling both the
machine and the OS.
I just don't understand what their waiting for..
batteries aside? Name?
batteries aside? Name?
The only thing I got from this article an the included TalkBack was that: A) Apple has lower marketshare and installed base B) Apple users are defensive. Both of which I knew already. And you know what? I wouldn't blame the Apple users. You were trying to be objective by spouting facts on a completely biased article.
So what's next CNet? "Why Microsoft Succeeds." Oh, I'm sorry, "Where Microsoft Succeeds." Do me a favor and next time you write something, give it to the next kid on the street who passes by your door and maybe he'll tell you what's wrong with it.
The only thing I got from this article an the included TalkBack was that: A) Apple has lower marketshare and installed base B) Apple users are defensive. Both of which I knew already. And you know what? I wouldn't blame the Apple users. You were trying to be objective by spouting facts on a completely biased article.
So what's next CNet? "Why Microsoft Succeeds." Oh, I'm sorry, "Where Microsoft Succeeds." Do me a favor and next time you write something, give it to the next kid on the street who passes by your door and maybe he'll tell you what's wrong with it.
I couldn't resist the April Fools day opportunity on Apples 30th though.
I know that about Jobs. I couldn't say what I said as fact because it was conjecture, and speculation. April one being the only day of the year I could attempt such speculation.
BTW, I am a true Apple fan. Never owned on for price and application reasons, have an Ipod Mini with all my cd's on it and won't be downloading any Itunes until they become as interchangable as a song on a CD album (i.e., will run on any player).
But the reason I am a fan is I am a designer and really do appreciate what Apple has done for American design albeit its always been handled by Brits or Germans, and I am deeply impressed with the innovations of placing the pc into a vertical slab raised above the table or putting a whole core duo chip, fan, cd etc. into an enclosure a little larger than a typical hard drive. No bones about it, its great stuff and always will be. My favorite response to all the pc makers out there is if you are not going to make it better than a Mac, why do it at all. That being said, I MUST have the flexibility. In fact I am looking for venture capital myself to build pcs.
I couldn't resist the April Fools day opportunity on Apples 30th though.
I couldn't resist the April Fools day opportunity on Apples 30th though.
I know that about Jobs. I couldn't say what I said as fact because it was conjecture, and speculation. April one being the only day of the year I could attempt such speculation.
BTW, I am a true Apple fan. Never owned on for price and application reasons, have an Ipod Mini with all my cd's on it and won't be downloading any Itunes until they become as interchangable as a song on a CD album (i.e., will run on any player).
But the reason I am a fan is I am a designer and really do appreciate what Apple has done for American design albeit its always been handled by Brits or Germans, and I am deeply impressed with the innovations of placing the pc into a vertical slab raised above the table or putting a whole core duo chip, fan, cd etc. into an enclosure a little larger than a typical hard drive. No bones about it, its great stuff and always will be. My favorite response to all the pc makers out there is if you are not going to make it better than a Mac, why do it at all. That being said, I MUST have the flexibility. In fact I am looking for venture capital myself to build pcs.
I couldn't resist the April Fools day opportunity on Apples 30th though.
"Apple is a failure because they only make up x% of the market."
Hmmm...I guess a film isn't worth the while unless is makes 200+ million dollars in the theatres.
It's sad that we've become an entire culture of bean counters. We overlook any innovation and progression while blabbing about statistics and numbers as though we were armchair quarterbacking a football game on Monday night.
Failure is an aspect of innovation. It's called risk. It's called taking the road less travelled to push technology into new areas. Not all of them can be successful and that's an expected outcome that comes with the territory.
Apple takes those chances and sometimes suffers the unfortuante consequences. They miss the mark from time to time, but they also change the entire dynamic of a given technology in other instances. Like Vista, than thank Apple. Xerox may have done it first, but Apple pushes the envelope that guides Microsoft's hand. Fanatacisms aside, that's the reality. Windows does often improve those innovations in their own right, but Apple takes the first steps more often than not.
What concerns me most is how many of you dismiss this and look at nohting the bottom line...including the author of the article. We've become a bitter nation of consumers that can't look past the end dollar amount even though it has no real benefit for the majority of us using the products. Give credit where it's due, no matter what logo is imprinted upon the box. Put the fanboy hysteria aside and look at the bigger picture once in a while. So many of you sound like a bunch of angry accountants.
the bottom line isn't everything but its still important. and speak for yourself; stop talking on behalf of the country. "we've become a bitter nation..." "we've become an entire culture..."
you certainly don't speak for me.
- Innovation Vs. The Bottom Line
- by iammilo April 1, 2006 8:23 PM PST
- It's funny that so many people have been virtually programmed to base any and all forms of success on nothing more than the almighty dollar.
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- one small hole in your argument
- by stealt403 April 2, 2006 11:57 PM PDT
- you forgot to mention that apple patents or attempts to patent every "innovation" that they make. if another company like MS really did base their new stuff on Apples then they would get sued before you could say the phrase "Apple is overrated." it seems everytime i read the news apple is in another law suit, and most seem trivial or completely unfounded. maybe apple could make more profits if the lawyer budget wasn't so big.
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Showing 4 of 7 pages (286 Comments)"Apple is a failure because they only make up x% of the market."
Hmmm...I guess a film isn't worth the while unless is makes 200+ million dollars in the theatres.
It's sad that we've become an entire culture of bean counters. We overlook any innovation and progression while blabbing about statistics and numbers as though we were armchair quarterbacking a football game on Monday night.
Failure is an aspect of innovation. It's called risk. It's called taking the road less travelled to push technology into new areas. Not all of them can be successful and that's an expected outcome that comes with the territory.
Apple takes those chances and sometimes suffers the unfortuante consequences. They miss the mark from time to time, but they also change the entire dynamic of a given technology in other instances. Like Vista, than thank Apple. Xerox may have done it first, but Apple pushes the envelope that guides Microsoft's hand. Fanatacisms aside, that's the reality. Windows does often improve those innovations in their own right, but Apple takes the first steps more often than not.
What concerns me most is how many of you dismiss this and look at nohting the bottom line...including the author of the article. We've become a bitter nation of consumers that can't look past the end dollar amount even though it has no real benefit for the majority of us using the products. Give credit where it's due, no matter what logo is imprinted upon the box. Put the fanboy hysteria aside and look at the bigger picture once in a while. So many of you sound like a bunch of angry accountants.
the bottom line isn't everything but its still important. and speak for yourself; stop talking on behalf of the country. "we've become a bitter nation..." "we've become an entire culture..."
you certainly don't speak for me.