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Company is about to announce a new operating system, application store, and file backup service to help it compete with Apple's iPhone, according to The Wall Street Journal.

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by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 9:19 AM PST
I'm sure Steve Jobs is saying 'shivver me timbers' here comes another 'great' Microsoft product. LOL
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by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 10:44 AM PST
FYI: Steve Jobs is not currently working for Apple and the day to day operations have been turned over to another person. Steve Jobs is on a sabbitcal. You can find this out easily by looking through the archives for his medical leave notice.

If you are going to troll, please be up to date. Thanks!
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 10:57 AM PST
Yeah, I'm sure Steve is 'out of the loop' and doesn't advise Apple--even if it's not in an office way. (Editors' note: Personal attack removed.)
by Splashes February 9, 2009 11:15 AM PST
@Vegaman

And if you're going to play nit-picky know-it-all, please try Google. Also spell check. Thanks!

In his announcement to Apple employees, Steve Jobs wrote that while day-to-day operations would be handled by Tim Cook, "I plan to remain involved in major strategic decisions while I am out." So your statement that "Steve Jobs is not currently working for Apple" is factually incorrect. And your implication that he will not be paying attention to competitors is pure nonsense.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST
Applerocks1963:

Ah yes, I see you are taking the 'mature approach'. Yes, your name calling and taunting will add great value and respect to your comments to be sure. :)

Splashes: Thanks for catching the typo. I misspoke myself and thank you for the clarification. While Mr. Jobs is not invovled in the day to day operations, I am quite sure he is being kept appraised to the situation at hand. But then again, the industry seems to believe that he is on his way out to retirement and that is another aspect that cannot be denied or ignored. Best to keep an open mind about it, I suppose. :)
by PoisedSimplified February 10, 2009 8:45 AM PST
Before he took leave, Jobs was just working through this last holiday season jabbing the hell out of Sony Music's executives about going DRM-free. That kind of vigor throughout his illness may never go away. I just don't see him hanging it up until he really is fighting for his life outside of business. Oh yeah, he got what he wanted out of Sony, too. I'm hoping he comes back
by mikehill33 February 9, 2009 9:23 AM PST
Launching a store and building a usable Mobile UI are two different things. Microsoft isn't doing jack squat.
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by CrashPad63 February 9, 2009 9:56 AM PST
Apple Shill. Tell me do you always pout the party line? Think different, competition is good for everyone.
by ballmerisanape February 9, 2009 10:51 AM PST
Crash... that's the point.. this isn't going to be competition..

How many "iPhone Killer" articles have we seen... .. and there still isn't an "iPhone Killer"

I think everyone welcomes competition.. the problem is.. Apple is a unique company.. and has come up with a great mobile solution based. Unfortunately, Apple's competition is so embedded in corporate IT.. it will take a huge paradigm shift for those companies to truly come up with an innovative solution that is on par with Apples.

I welcome the day when it comes....
by Penguinisto February 10, 2009 6:02 AM PST
@ballmerisanape: agreed.

It'll also be funny when WindowsMobile users discover to their horror that they racked up multi-hundred-dollar mobile bills just to initially sync all their stuff up to "the cloud" (which explains why Apple's MobileMe does all that through your computer, and not via 3G...)
by CDubber February 9, 2009 9:35 AM PST
I'm sure their efforts will be just as successful as the Zune's "assault" on the iPod.

And seriously, Microsoft, you couldn't come up with a more original name than "My Phone?"

The "we want to be Apple" desperation these days is just pitiful. Microsoft is a has-been company without a single original thought in its collective head.

Copy Different.
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by CrashPad63 February 9, 2009 9:57 AM PST
To bad youre not Thinking Different. You might come too see better oppurtunity for yourself.
by msjonker February 9, 2009 10:25 AM PST
Seems to go along with Microsoft staples like "My Computer", "My Network Places", "My Documents", etc. Makes logical sense to me.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 10:46 AM PST
CDubber is absolutely right. Microsoft is a complete and utter failure based upon his comments. That's why the business world all uses Apple desktops and laptops in their enterprise business market and Linux is now the #1 personal computer OS on consumer systems today.

Whoops, sorry there.... Got caught up in his delusions for a moment. It's nice for people to have a dream to believe in even if it has no bearing in reality.
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 11:03 AM PST
"CDubber is absolutely right. Microsoft is a complete and utter failure " Something written by Veggie Dan actually makes sense.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 12:29 PM PST
Applerocks1963:

Your ability to miss the irony and sarcasm eludes even my attempts to perceive it. I find it hard to believe that you would be so clueless, but yet your comments continue to enforce and strengthen that perception by the readers.

You DID understand the comment, yes? I don't have to diagram it out for you, do I?
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 1:07 PM PST
By all means, diagram it out. You don't seem too busy maintaining all those OS's that you allegedly support in your imaginary job.
by Seaspray0 February 9, 2009 1:28 PM PST
Drop it, applerocks. You're being outrite rude. Anyone can report you for offensive content, including me. Your derogatory name calling against other people is proving to be just as effective as your derogatory name calling against microsoft... in making you look like the horse's @$$.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST
What's the fun in reporting AppleRocks1963 for abuse when he does such a better job of abusing his own reputation every time he comments?


Nah, he's obnoxious and a nuisance, but harmless. I say let him stay. Eventually he'll tire of his games and either leave or grow up. It's up to him.
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 3:12 PM PST
@seaspray: "Anyone can report you for offensive content, including me." So go ahead. I'll say one good thing about Vega-Dan: at least he's not a little whiner like you who needs to run off to the cnet censor and cry.
by jaxstephens February 9, 2009 7:16 PM PST
Msjonker,

Your logic no longer follows. Microsoft phased out the "My" in Windows Vista and 7. Now it's just Computer, Documents, Pictures, etc. If they're trying to follow that line of thought, they need to read their own branding plan.
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by CDubber February 9, 2009 9:37 AM PST
"And if Microsoft or any other competitors want to hasten Apple's rise in this market, they'll have to leap frog Apple with something truly revolutionary." - author

"Revolutionary?" Well, that pretty much knocks Microsoft out of the running.
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by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 9:39 AM PST
Amen. lol
by CrashPad63 February 9, 2009 9:59 AM PST
You mean making a platform that seized 97% of the market for several years? Is that the recvolutionary you so easily scoff at. Think Different, competition is good for all.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 10:48 AM PST
Revolutionary. Look at the corporate enterprise market. Those systems aren't running OS X. Look at the most commonly used OS on the planet. Look at the software selection at your local Best Buy or Walmart.

Point made.
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 11:05 AM PST
The only 'point made' occurs when the top of your head makes contact with something above it.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 12:32 PM PST
Applerocks1963 wrote:

"The only 'point made' occurs when the top of your head makes contact with something above it."

Ah yes, another insightful and brilliant commentary that benefits your reputation greatly. You have really done a great job of improving the respect and honor befitting a person of your intelligence.
by billmosby February 9, 2009 9:41 AM PST
If this new Microsoft initiative results in something competitive with the iPhone and its ecosystem, it would be a miracle. Well, I suppose a miracle could happen. Really, it could. Really.
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by random truth February 9, 2009 11:33 PM PST
However knowing apple, they probably have an iphone 3 for the past six months. Then when a competitor comes out with a new product they will host a media event the day before said competitors product is supposed to come out.
by cincytee February 9, 2009 9:50 AM PST
> And if Microsoft or any other competitors want to hasten Apple's rise in this market,...

Why would Microsoft wish to bring Apple's rise in this market on more quickly? I suspect a wrong word used here.
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by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 10:48 AM PST
I suspect the term intended was 'halt'.
by stringarray February 9, 2009 1:54 PM PST
> And if Microsoft or any other competitors want to hasten Apple's rise in this market, they'll have to leap-frog Apple with something truly revolutionary.

Really? The sentence makes complete sense to me.
by povich February 9, 2009 9:51 AM PST
Yeah, Microsoft does it's best work when it's desperate. String to connect two ZunePhones is optional.
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by philoking February 9, 2009 9:52 AM PST
Geeze, none of you guys are bitter eh?
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by CrashPad63 February 9, 2009 10:00 AM PST
Nah they just missed their nappy time.
by cchenoweth6 February 9, 2009 9:54 AM PST
Keep on under-estimating them, that attitude is what kills development (Thinking that your products can't be out-done). That's what IBM, Word Perfect, Sony, Lotus, and others did for years. iPhone is a great product, I personally still hate typing/dialing on touch screens. I would like to see some serious integration with speech recognition that works well. It is getting better these days.
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by solu1978 February 9, 2009 10:00 AM PST
iPhone and its OS is amazing .. but its always good to have alternatives.. lets hope the new mobile OS from MS is good.
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by loose_screw February 9, 2009 10:00 AM PST
Bring it on! I want to see what Microsoft comes up with. Competition is great for consumers. I would definitely use my iPhone more if it offered more PDA like features. Right now I use my Palm PDA more than my iPhone, sadly.
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by ppgreat February 9, 2009 10:01 AM PST
MyPhone. From the people who brought you the Zune.
And Vista.
And newly DRM'ed music.
And Bob.
And Clippy.
And Internet Explorer.
And Ctrl-Alt-Del.
And.....
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by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 10:51 AM PST
And Xbox.
And the most commonly used OS on the planet.
And the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
And Internet Explorer which sparked enough competition to generate faster and greater advancement for all.
And... well, the list keeps going on.

Trolling is only useful if people actually believe you, PPGREAT.
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 11:06 AM PST
And how much money has MSFT made on XBOX? Oh wait, nothing, instead they have lost BILLIONS.
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 11:09 AM PST
...and 'start' button when you want to 'stop' something. lol
by ppgreat February 9, 2009 11:14 AM PST
FACT: The most commonly used OS on the planet due to monopolistic behavior.
FACT: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation as a result of the above activities and a great deal of money dispensed that is tied to the use of MS technology, i.e., 'high tech' schools, etc.
FACT: Internet Explorer, which is the joke of the industry in terms of web standards, security and constantly under scrutiny by the EU to name one regulatory agency?and only grew as a result of the aforementioned monopolistic behavior.
FACT: MS just laid off 5,000 people and showed a decrease in revenues for Windows and Office, it's two bread and butter products?in spite of its monopoly.
FACT: Xbox?I can't comment because I don't own one and I'm not into games.

It's not trolling if you state the truth and can back it up with facts.
by sythara February 9, 2009 12:37 PM PST
Monopoly? You can always buy Apple or get Linux for free.

Here is a defenition of a monopoly for those who do not know:
1 : exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
2 : exclusive possession or control
3 : a commodity controlled by one party

By that defenition, Apple is a monopoly too.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 12:40 PM PST
PPGREAT:

1) People use what they want for an OS. Nobody is forcing you to use one OS over another. Your fact is denied.

2) The Gates Foundation is not for setting up 'high tech' schools. Please research that foundation first before making incorrect accusations. Your fact is denied.

3) The fact that IE exists has caused other groups to release more and even more secure products. Why you are against this is beyond me. I would think you'd WANT more and secure products. Your fact is denied.

4) MS reduced head count by 1400 FTE's, and declined renewing contracts with the remainder which will be phased out over the year. Many of those remaining 3600 people will be converted to permanent MSFT FTE's, which will be greatly beneficial to those people. This is public knowledge and has been reported in the news. It's even been here on CNET. Your fact is denied.

5) Xbox: I have both the original Xbox and the 360. I also have a Sony. I got them at the beginning and I just find I don't really enjoy video games all that much anymore. I've moved on. Your fact is... accepted there.

You haven't stated the truth- you have have stated your opinions and the facts don't back them up. But that's fine because your opinion is just that- and anyone can have one.


We don't have to agree. We do have to respect each other's opinons though. AppleRocks1963 has not quite learned this basic concept yet.
by The_happy_switcher February 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST
Everything PPGreat is true and the facts are ACCEPTED. Only your post is denied, Vegetable Dan.
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 3:07 PM PST
Thank you for your comments, AppleRocks1963. If you have anything to add of value to the conversation, then please speak up. I look forward to hearing something constructive and worthwhile from you and would appreciate your input on this subject.
by ggirton February 9, 2009 10:04 AM PST
It's good that Microsoft is copying Apple, isn't it? Or wait -- I guess to be accurate we must say it's good that Microsoft PLANS to copy Apple, isn't it? For this is a story about plans, not products. The most interesting thing about this story is what it does NOT mention. Apple's plans. And let's be honest. Apple has a challenge ahead of it if big MS is going to give away for free what Apple sells for $100. So, what ARE Apple's plans for the future? Since Ms. Reardon is copying the Wall Street Journal in her story, just as Microsoft is copying Apple, I think it's fair to say we won't be finding the answer from THIS web page anytime soon.
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by stringarray February 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST
And you think Apple has not copied anyone? Please.
by usarioclave1 February 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST
This is going to be another Zune vs iPod battle...one that will be just as successful for Microsoft.

It takes more than opening an application store to take on the iPhone. It requires a shift of priorities from the needs of handset makers to the desires of consumers. That's something that will be impossible for MS to pull off, at least for the next few years.

The other problem, from a developer perspective, is trying to figure out what platform to target. Because there isn't a lot of consistency between WinMo hardware, how do you know what the configuration of your device is? This'll be a problem for Android as well.
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by seven7dust February 9, 2009 10:12 AM PST
lol! at the last sentence
MEtoosoft leapfrogging Apple that was a got a good laugh out of me

there'll probably be more new MS products like
"my life", "my tunes" , "my DVD"
and MS works will probably be renamed as "my Work"
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by Lethality February 9, 2009 10:22 AM PST
Have they learned nothing with the Zune?
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by Seaspray0 February 12, 2009 4:35 PM PST
In the mp3 market, apple has a monopoly. The zune was intruduced to compete against a monopoly. In the smartphone market, windows mobile is a major player in 3rd place and iphone a major player in 5th place. The two are not identical scenario's; don't expect them to be treated the same.
by sashaspapa February 9, 2009 10:27 AM PST
I'm typing this on a Windows computer, don't own an iPhone or any other Apple product and never have, so far. But it's pretty obvious that Microsoft was long ago reduced to patiently copying whatever Apple innovates. They're never going to get anywhere like that, Windows preloads notwithstanding. And I'm not convinced their competition is all that competitive, looking at Zunes, for example.
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by stringarray February 9, 2009 2:00 PM PST
Nothing in this article regarding an Apple product was an original Apple idea. Nothing.
by bama3 February 9, 2009 10:45 AM PST
Why are all the Apple fan people so focused on Microsoft and Apple. The article clearly states that MS is 3 and Apple is 5th. So are you stating that MS is chasing the 5th place. I am sure it is great business strategy to fight for 3rd place and try not to move into 1st or 2nd.

It is true Apple is leading in mindshare but only last for a short period of time. Apple has clearly made touch phones popular and deserves the credit but a year from now. Touch will be the norm for all phones until a new difference maker appears.
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by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 12:44 PM PST
Fanboys are fanboys regardless of subject. It really doesn't matter if you are talking about Apple, Windows, Ford, Chevy, Cardinals, Steelers, Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Catholics, Pepsi or Coke. People will have strong opinions about certain polarizing subjects that defy logic or reason. They will go on at great length about why this is better than that regardless of reality. In the mean time, those that don't partake in such silliness just move on about their business quietly. Those are the real customers that matter, not the nutjobs like us. :)

Besides, anyone knows that my Ford pickup with the Democratic party bumpet stickers next to the Catholics for Cardinals drinking Pepsi is the only one that matters!
by Lethality February 9, 2009 2:41 PM PST
With the momentum Apple has mindshare will turn into marketshare tenfold, and Microsoft knows that.

Funny though all they know how to do is react to Apple. Not innovate themselves.
by seven7dust February 10, 2009 5:38 AM PST
Amazing that all the 100s of windows mobile models
have more market-share than a single phone sold on limited carriers

wat you people fail to understand is market-share isn't important at all
look at GM,ford etc they have decent market-share but their positions r pitiable
it's customer satisfaction and brand that reign supreme
btw Apple makes much more money selling Iphones than Ms selling winmo licenses
by Penguinisto February 9, 2009 10:46 AM PST
Everything else aside, here's a question:

If Blackberry's online store couldn't do it, and the Android online store couldn't do it, what makes you think MSFT's online phone app store (which it has already had for a long time under various names) will be a threat to the iPhone?

Mind you, this is coming from a guy who uses a Crackberry, and not an iPhone...

/P
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by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 12:49 PM PST
It's a good question and one that has yet to really be addressed yet.

Palm and Blackberry don't really have a point of presence on the net for such things yet. Apple has their product for easy app installation and people are there at Apple's site already for iTunes so it's all built in and handy. MSFT has their Zune software that can do the same thing, or any of the cloud / Live services that they have been rolling out, so they have something to offer there as well.

I have an Apple Touch, but it lacks in performance to any Palm Pilot 15 years ago as a PDA for synching or data handling. It does play music and has limited network connections. Adding apps is easy. Palm could do this as well, I think. MSFT has never made it easy to install apps through Windows Mobile / Active Sync, and yet they have excellent integration with their Office apps.

It's a hard one to call. Apple will never be in the Enterprise market unless they revamp their entire line of thinking. MSFT has never been one for consumer use, preferring the Enterprise market. Palm and Blackberry are sort of in between the two.

I would probably just stand back and see what happens, to be honest.
by Seaspray0 February 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST
Since you asked... Haven't a clue. I didn't even know they had an online store all this time. It was never advertised.
by stringarray February 9, 2009 2:04 PM PST
Probably because you are not locked in to a single store. I've installed apps from numerous websites on my Blackberry for free. Whenever there is an alternative these "stores" will never quite make it like Apple's because Apple wont let you. Hell, they will even remove an app you install on your phone if THEY dont like it.
by Penguinisto February 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST
That's the thing... Others have already launched official PoP "App Stores", and have had them for months now. RIM has theirs, Google has one for the Android...

So why haven't they fulfilled their promise of being an "iPhone Killer" yet?

I suspect it'll take a lot more than a simple applications store to do the job. After all, the iPhone sold like gangbusters even before it got an app store.
by random truth February 9, 2009 11:45 PM PST
@stringaway
That was rumour was proven wrong. It goes and gets a list of apps that are denied access to core location. (apps on that list cant figure out where you are located).

Also I thought one of the main reasons that apples appstore succeeded was because of its sdk that was able to make it significantly easier for the developers to make apps. Along with the fact that you can download it for free (it costs $99 a year to publish apps and sell them) which is significantly cheaper than the other competitors.
by stringarray February 10, 2009 3:50 PM PST
@random truth

Good to know about how that unauthorized apps list works. My point regarding the stores is that there seems to be only one location to get your apps. When there is a large open source community for other mobiles offering tons of downloads how can you possibly compare? When I had a Treo I went to quite a few different sites not owned by Palm to get some pretty cool free apps. I have now done the same with my Crackberry. I know I am not the only one using these sites so until the iPhone apps are as freely available I don't see the store comparisons being worthy. Seems moot to me.
by Seaspray0 February 12, 2009 4:43 PM PST
Yes, it did sell like gangbusters before the app store. To my knowledge, it also was the first smart phone to feature a full web browser... probably it's finest feature over every other smartphone at the time.
by the_mrwhite February 9, 2009 10:53 AM PST
Forget the competetion stuff, MS is always late to the game and IS and will continue to be a "me too" company. We are slowly seeing the demise of MS. Yes they will still sell windows because its the only thing IT departments know and it's job security for them. But I believe you'll see a shift to either Linux or Mac OS's as you can see happening now with OS X with a 10% market share now. Because of the success of the iPod and the iPhone people are seeing that "if their products work this well, I wonder what the computers are like" and thus more and more people are buying them, as indicated by the largest profit Apple has ever made, while MS lays people off for the first time. I lol'd.
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by viper396 February 9, 2009 11:25 AM PST
This is business, not a track-n-field event. It doesn't matter who started first but who can continue running the race.
Being the "me too" company certainly hasn't prevented Microsoft from dominating the desktop nor does it hurt other companies in other field. Even Apple isn't first in everything and Linux certainly can't make that claim.

People like you who seem to get a smug sense of self satisfaction in the economy tanking and companies like Microsoft doing layoffs are pathetic. You don't gain anything. You're just a loser who likes to see other's fail because it justifies your lack of initiative and inability to get ahead.
by Seaspray0 February 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST
"MS is always late to the game..." Not true! Apple was late to the game with the iphone. Windows mobile had been out several years prior to the iphone. As for that corporate email you get on the iphone, you can thank microsoft for that. Apple licensed activesync from microsoft. Apple didn't invent the smartphone, they just gave it a new coat of paint and people bought it. And that's exactly what microsoft did years before when they released windows mobile. Now that the paint has dried on the iphone, we'll just have to wait to find out how well a new windows mobile revision will do. If it doesn't stop the bleeding, then iphone will catch up to it. It's as simple as that.
by seven7dust February 9, 2009 6:45 PM PST
"MS is always late to the game..." Not true! Apple was late to the game with the iphone"
@seaspray lol! that was funny indeed

which is why they r playing catchup yet again
Apple always come into a market and change everything
they re-invent it almost
the Macintosh in 1985 {Introduced GUI to computers}
the IPod in 2001{changed the music industry}
and now the IPhone in 2007 {changing the mobile phone industry}
So who's late to the game again ?
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