Comments on: FCC changes DSL classification

Feds put DSL on even footing with cable modem service--providers no longer have to offer network access to competing ISPs.

This is Insane

DSL is already cheaper than cable in most markets. In my area it's $15 versus $70 for cable. The RBOCs don't seem to be having much trouble being price competative. All this does is further entrench the existing duopoly.

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But...

Cable Internet also tends to be faster :)

[cliffsk]

Less Competition Is A Bad Thing!

One of the reasons DSL is cheaper than Cable Internet access is the competition found in the DSL marketplace. Cable competes against no one else in the cable marketplace for Internet access. DSL has competition, giving the customer the benefit.

I don?t buy for a second that this will allow for better technological advancement, as the SBC official stated in the story. The competition in DSL sure hasn?t stopped Verizon from laying down FTTH.

It would not surprise me at all to see the price of DSL go up when the transition period is over. Thanks FCC!

[Earl Benser]

If Verizon is laying FTTH.

... and I can get it, why would I care what happens to DSL?????

[Betty Roper]

So long, Earthlink...

... and Covad and all the others that offered some price competition. The logic of this decision escapes me. The RBOCs are still benefiting from the remains of the AT&T monopoly that built out their networks. Why not hold them to fair-access rules on the copper line network?

[Earl Benser]

Earthlink won't go away...

Earthlink has contracts for big blocks of DSL service from the
telcos. Those contracts will remain in effect. But the peanut gallery
ISp's won't get the discounted price any more - they don't provide
enough traffic.

[jltnol]

HAhahahahhahhhaaaahh HH Aa

The result, they say, will be lower prices
and more choice for consumers as well as higher penetration rates
of DSL into communities

Do they REALLY think is will be the case ? Who are they
KIDDING ? ?

[jltnol]

HAhahahahhahhhaaaahh HH Aa

The result, they say, will be lower prices and more choice for
consumers as well as higher penetration rates of DSL into
communities

Do they REALLY think is will be the case ? Who are they KIDDING ? ?

[Had_to_be_said]

LESS and MORE...

So, playing WORD-GAMES, and refusing to admit that the INTERNET is a communications-medium (EXCEPT when the government wants to tap your PRIVATE communications, or the government wants to USE the "internet" as an EXCUSE to CENSOR TV by stating that citizens can always "...turn to the Internet") is going to help American-consumers..?

And, somehow, this will CREATE competition, ...by CRIPPLING small-businesses ability to COMPETE-EFFECTIVELY..?

BULLSH*T...

I AM SO SICK OF THIS BLATANTLY-OBVIOUS GOVERNMENT-CORRUPTION.

Sorry, I just had to vent my absolute exasperation.

[thenet411]

You're all missing the point...this is the right thing to do

Look, the bell companies have been unfairly forced to share their broadband networks with greedy ISPs. Cable doesn't have to do this, so why should DSL providers? The bell companies, like the cable companies, shelled out the billions of dollars to build these broadband networks, why shouldn't they be allowed to keep them private? Would you like it if you spent thousands on building your dream hot rod and the police came in and said that you had to let me drive it? You would tell me to build my own hot rod. Well, thats exactly what the ISPs should do. Don't have the resources? Guess they are out of luck. Its time for the independant ISP to die anyway. Leave it to the pros who engineered the Internet in the first place. DARPA may have invented the Internet, but it was the bell companies that developed the nationwide infrastructure to make it work.

Not to mention, the independant ISPs in most cases are a poor choice for service anyway. The increased cost provides for ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE. The Northern California city in which I live has several small ISPs that offer DSL, but are absolute idiots. They charge much more for NOTHING other than going through their inferior service and upstream bandwidth. Go direct with SBC and you have not only great service, but their direct link to several NAPs and MAEs. To say nothing of the incompetance of the local ISPs when it comes to network engineering and tech support being offered by high school graduates that are doing nothing more than turning flip cards or searching online knowledge bases applying "fixes" with absolutely no skills to back up their work.

The bottom line is that the bells shelled out the money to build these networks. They shouldn't be required to share them with anyone. At least, until they make their money back on their investment. Until now, the bells had no incentive to deploy DSL in large quantities because they were just going to lose money on them when the other ISPs started reselling the network. Now, DSL will finally be pushed to the forefront and the coming inprovements in copper and fiber will push DSL speeds into the 10-20Mbps range. Cable will too, but DSL will be first. Its already here. You just haven't seen it because the bells haven't turned it up yet. Just wait...

[Maelstorm]

Agreed...

I have to agree with you. The telco's have been forced to subsidize their competitors at below cost prices, and not in just DSL but wireline voice as well. As for tech support, SBC's Teir 1 support is in India, and they use flip cards too. Once you get to Teir 2 support, then you have a real tech to answer questions.

[Had_to_be_said]

DO NOT FORGET A VERY BASIC FACT...

"Telephone companies" operate under FCC control for a very specific reason. The telephone-infrastructure is a "public-concern". It is NOT entirely private as some keep alluding to.

The fact is that "telephone companies" use Public-property, using Public-easements under Public-authority, and often, one way or another, receive Public-funding.

In short, for simplicity, they function as a "privatized public-utility", ...not merely a "private-enterprise". This "Private-company" myth, which is being fostered here, is intentionally being misused to allow exactly this kind of FRAUD, and MANIPULATION to be committed against genuine Public-interests.

As a, governmentally created monopoly, they [phone companies] have certain obligations to "Public-interests", such as allowing the possibility of COMPETITION.

And, also DO NOT FORGET, that the current "FCC", first, had to jump through legalistic, and semantic, HOOPS to claim that established "Cable companies" did not have to share reasonable-access to such "public-resources", in order to be allowed to maintain their respective business-monopolies.

consumers paid for the lines

the bells did not pay to build the lines. the u.s. government gave att a monopoly on building out the network and gave them price protection by which it allowed them to charge enough to cover their expenses PLUS a guaranteed profit and protection from competition. this means that the building of the network was built with subsidies by the taxpayers. att made billions of dollars of money during its decades of protected existence.

this argument against regulation is self-refuting because the bells are protected from competition by government REGULATION! only they can build copper lines to people's home, REGULATIONS prohibit others from doing so. so stop with this orwellian double-speak already...

[Remo_Williams]

Wow, completely wrong conclusion by FCC.

Quote: "The Universal Service Fund is one of the pillars of the Telecom Act," said FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps. "And I wouldn't be party to an agency that would abandon it."

Ah, it's all about preserving an illegal tax on the American consumers. I dunno about you, but when the FCC mismanages the USF so badly that they lose billions of dollars in the mild attempt to broaden Internet access to rural poor, it demonstrates a decidedly unqualified ability to get more money to 'lose'.

And by lose, I mean 'give to their friends'.

The real victory would have been to force cable operators to share their lines. This ridiculous parallel build-out of copper to homes is becoming retarded. How many of these lines does the FCC really think I can handle coming into the house? Are they really trying to promote competition, or grab nice landing spots after an FCC career with some of these corporate parasites?

The FCC is dropping the ball, badly. I want one line into my house. Period. And I should be able to choose *any combination* of cable, telephone, video, ISP access over that one wire. It's really not that difficult, except for the unnecessary legislation encumbering a logical progression of tech.

Well, make sure six year-olds can't hear dirty words at 11pm on cable. That, the FCC can handle. Chimpanzees.

-R

Hey, good idea!

I can see it now - real comepetition in phone and cable! Since SBC won't allow others to use their poles, and we'll finally have real competition, they MUST be figuring on giving us at least five or ten new sets of TELEPHONE POLES! What a great idea, each one carrying copper or fiber to a customer along the road.

Or for underground lines (sorry, I'm rural and we have poles) we can have five or ten easements! Think of all the newly-employed BACKHOE OPERATORS! And "Oops, I cut their lines" would happen all the time!

[jmaximus9]

I can understand their point

The phone companies spend alot to maintain those phone lines, why should they have to share them if cable doesn't? They figure that if they have to share everything thing with their competition, why bother to upgrade. My cable drop has been replaced several times in the last 10 years, my phone line was here when I moved in 17 years ago. The phone companies are not going to spend the money as long as their forced to share. Can you imagine if McDonalds was forced to sell Burger King?

http://jmaximus.blogspot.com

[Stating]

Specious Argument About Innovation

The argument about innovation being held back because the Bells had to share their lines is just bunk. The fact that independent ISPs like Earthlink only have 10% of the market indicates this was not a level playing field anyway. And were the Bells so blinded by this fear that they just ignored the cable industry as a competitor? No. What really lit a fire under them is the unrelenting loss of subscriber lines to alternatives like cellular and cable.

I think the real problem today stems from the way that phone deregulation was implemented. In hindsight, it would have been better to break up Bell between the physical lines the the service provided over the lines. The line from your house back to the central office should have been regulated. Everthing else should have been deregulated. The split between local phone service (regulated) and long distance (deregulated), caused the mess that we have today. If just the lines had been regulated and everything else made a free-for-all then we would have had a lot of new players and real competition. Instead, we just have this duopoly between cable and local exchange carriers. Two sets of poles. Two sets of wires.

Not what I wanted to hear

Before I moved I had DSL with a third party provider and loved it! Qwest would not allow me to run a home server and wouldn't give me any fixed IP's. The ISP I used allowed servers hosted DNS for me and gave me * static IP's. When I moved I had to go to cable and now I can no longer run a home server and have no fixed IPs. Sure I have faster downloads but so what I don't steal movies and music so what do I care if I have 1.5Mb down or 4Mb down. With this ruling even DSL won't be able to provide this option because only private ISP's were doing it before. This is going to mean the death of a lot of small ISP's and really give the consumer no choice about where he gets his broadband. Personally I think at least some of the motivation for this was to make it easier for the government to access service prover records. Now they wont have to deal with a whole buch of small ISP, just one big megacorp.

Oh well, I am glad I no longer work for an ISP.