Comments on: Microsoft's Deepfish a better swimmer of mobile Web?

Zoom-in feature is centerpiece of software giant's answer to Web navigation woes among users of Windows Mobile handhelds.

[vwgo]

Another Microsoft lockin

Just checked the site and this requires a dedicated server in the mix to provide the functionality. Also, no support for AJAX, Javascript, Animation, Cookies or even ActiveX services.

[kelgraff]

Is it possible..

for this hugh corporation with thousands of employees and billions
of dollars in development funds available to ever invent something,
anything of their own?

[jaytee0]

Is it willful ignorance?

I have no idea what you mean by that comment, but Microsoft creates a plethora of new software all the time. Deepfish is one small example.

[kelgraff]

actually you make my point...

by using Deepfish as an example of M$'s type of innovation. They
didn't even concieve of the idea of offering a full page, zoomable
web browser for mobile devices untill Apple offered it on the
iPhone. And even so, their "innovation" is an attempt to suck
developers into coding web pages with a technology that allows
those pages to only show up properly on Windows mobile
products, not to invent something new to make our lives better.

[lmasanti]

Innovation??? Ja, Ja

Read the ars techica forum
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?
a=tpc&s=50009562&f=174096756&m=78900851
4831&r=789008514831

To see how many previous and working solutions there exist!

And, of course, you can use Safari on the iPhone next June!

[Mark Greene]

MS immitation is a strategy

How else could they spend so much on R&D and never come up
with an idea on their own?

Or, more likely, making superficially "just-as-good-as" products is
probably the most efficient way to maintain a monopoly.

[Siegfried Schtauffen]

Steve says it best

Ultimately it comes down to taste. It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you're doing. I mean Picasso had a saying, he said good artists copy, great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas and I think part of what made the Macintosh great was that the people working on it were musicians and poets and artists and zoologists and historians who also happened to be the best computer scientists in the world.

-Steve Jobs (Triumph of the Nerds)

[HelloToCNet]

Why Not Just Enforce W3 conventions?

There is a very simple solution that web designers already deal with for print versions of their websites: simple css tricks let you have various versions for various devices: W3 has a css link mediatype for the small screens of handhelds.

The problem is mobile browers like MS's own Internet Explorer for mobile dev. don't recognize it.

Just as designers do simple tweaks for their "print" css version of their site that makes things 1 column and gets rid o fthe excess junk so that printers will print a nice, clean page - so too are web developers gunning for the same ability for handheld devices - why not let them?

Oh yeah. Because there is nothing for MS to sell or lock customers into.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-media-descriptors

[HelloToCNet]

Why Not Just Enforce W3 conventions?

There is a very simple solution that web designers already deal with for print versions of their websites: simple css tricks let you have various versions for various devices: W3 has a css link mediatype for the small screens of handhelds.

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen" href="myscreen.css"/>

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="print" href="myprint.css"/>

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="handheld" href="myhandheld.css"/>

The problem is mobile browers like MS's own Internet Explorer for mobile dev. don't recognize it.

Just as designers do simple tweaks for their "print" css version of their site that makes things 1 column and gets rid o fthe excess junk so that printers will print a nice, clean page - so too are web developers gunning for the same ability for handheld devices - why not let them?

Oh yeah. Because there is nothing for MS to sell or lock customers into.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-media-descriptors