The feature has long been available in IE although IE7 for the first time dedicates a text box for searching.
In IE4 - IE6, the user can search from the address bar: type in a search text, press enter and the search is redirected to the user-configured search engine.
The popularity of the search text box feature in browsers like Firefox and Opera drives IE7 to copy -- although you can still use the IE7 address bar to type in your searches.
In all of these browsers, the user can always configure the default search engine to use.
I usually set mine to Google. And I bet many users do the same.
no matter if you install IE7 beta, is still gonna be part of the OS IE and its engine is part of the OS, so basically IE7 would be part of the OS. moreover people will eventually upgrade to IE7 when finall via win update
I chose Google as my default search in my old IE brower and then installed the IE beta 7. The new IE 7 doesn't change my search default setting. Google is so over-reacting. They should focus more on developing and making their search system work better and better than trying to file the law suit against Microsoft. This action makes me think of changing my default search to MSN instead.
I don't think there's any problem with that. It's their product, so they have the right to set whatever as default; however, the users do have the options to change it. Now, google is taking every step to monopolize the search market. Personally, I like Yahoo! much better. My homepage and search engine have always been yahoo since day 1 I started to use internet.
I checked and it can only be set to a google site- google.com or google.anycountry, or it can be set to be the default search site fo IE. Sounds very hypocritical of Google to want to be included in IE but won't include MSN in their toolbar. At least MS gives you a choice.
As much as I hate to see Microsoft bully it's way into other market areas with it's control over Windows, this is NOT really a new feature. For those novices out there, type any search phrase in the address bar, press enter (or click go) and see what happens. Unless you have changed your defaults you will go to MSN search and get a page full of results. As long as what you type in the search box is not a URL (ie: HTTP://) or an accessible website hostname (ie: www.microsoft.com) then you will get the search.
"For those novices out there, type any search phrase in the address bar, press enter (or click go) and see what happens"
This is a key part of the issue: no novice would ever do that. Just as no novice would ever hit CTRL-E to open a search sidebar or ALT-LEFT/RIGHT arrows to go back and forth.
On a side note, the current search feature you refer to is limited in use (surely why they are seperating it to another text box).
Currently, IE first tries to resolve whatever you type by adding .com, edu, gov; when it fails, it will run an msn search. This makes simple searches like 'Nissan' useless.
Normally, I support Google, but they are being really stupid. After reading this story, I changed my default search box FROM Google, to MSN. I had my IE 6 settings for Google and IE 7 kept them...
Hello People(Did you forget about MS giving up your privacy already)
It is pretty stupid for someone to switch to MS Search over this crap. I mean C'mon people, Google still has the best revelant search in the business.
Its one thing to switch to Google when MS and Yahoo gives the privacy of its users to the government, but to switch because Google is complaining just like the rest of the IT/Software world about Microsoft being a Monopoly, and that is your only reason is a little juvenile.
Can any one tell me of any innovation initiated by Microsoft. It's run by a very shrewd man. But GUI's spreadsheets, browsers, media players did not originate at Microsoft. A number of innovators have fallen through microsoft's use of it's operating system monopoly. Microsoft really needs watching.
Agree entirely. I cannot think of a single original MS idea. They've got two strategies: copy - ooooo make it do that aquire - ooo i like that, buy it.
They just approved another x millions of dollars to aquire startups (aka patents like the cool skin conductivity communication patent that could let your cell-phone-watch talk to your HUD-eye-glasses and display the name/number of an incoming call).
MS must have complete lack of creativity. From the beginning, they BOUGHT the DOS operating system. And then?
I will fall to the side of Microsoft on this one, as a real free market advocate should. The arguments are long but at the end of the day, it will have little impact. If we re-trace our steps backwards to the Netscape/IE wars of days gone by, there is more to the story than what sits on the surface. While everyone was quick to point out that MS was a monopoly or using its own powers to push Netscape around, everyone skipped the guy who had control over what was finally shipped to the end user.
Manufacturers and OEMs have long had the ability to add their own software to systems, modify the desktop and make other tweaks. All Microsoft did was say "if you sell the operating system, IE must be on board". Pretty simple really. There wasn't a ton of "and you can't put any other browser on it and you need to block Netscape's website so people can't download my competitor's browser" talk. Yet, in early iterations of IE, Netscape was, by far, the dominate browser in the market. Including IE on the desktop did have some effect admittedly, but not to the extent that Netscape could not perform. Part of the reason is Netscape made an effort to start selling the browser. When MS introduced the browser for free, Netscape eroded its own market.
But what is most often ignored when people speak of anti-trust is how marketplaces work and the self-regulating actions that happen in markets. It is through competition that innovation comes forward. Does Microsoft make an innovative product? At one point in time they did. But Apple has been resurrected (with help from MS in the past and the iPod in the present) and Linux has flourished and made fairly steady progress amongst both business and desktop users. Firefox and other open-source solutions have and will continue to show that there is still room for competition so long as a competitor's weaknesses can be exploited. Private and proprietary solutions will also give chase in the marketplace. All of these factors lead to a natural balance. We are witnessing this shift with MS's noticable anger and envy of Google, the failure to capitalize on both getting new releases out and continuing to innovate. In the mean time, Google and many other competitors have taken to the cause and entered into serious competition with MS.
Google's attempts to swing anti-trust-speak at MS is a bit like kicking the dog when it is down. Unfortunately, there are some of us who see and take their claims at face-value - baseless. Who really cares if Microsoft includes their search engine as the default? It won't change the mind of anyone using Firefox or Opera. It will not change the need for Firefox and Opera to advertise and compete with IE on the Windows platform. If Google really wants to put pressure on anyone (not government pressure, but wink-wink, nudge-nudge kinda pressure), they need to go to the manufacturers such as Dell, HP, Lenovo and others to get the browser of their choosing put on the desktop or have their search engine set as the default (if it is possible at the oem level). That is where Netscape failed and went wrong and now Google looks to make the same mistake.
Microsoft did not invent these, innovators did and now MS owns these markets and has closed off competition: -The Web Browser -Presentation software (Powerpoint used to be Adobe Persuasion, among several others with different and often good approaches) Does anyone use any other Presentation/slide software with any market share? -Text Editor: WordPerfect (until MS _bundled_ Word with Office, WP was the leader.) - Databases - How much market share for Access is due to it being the "default" in Office. -Windows Media Player - the default on a monopoly OS. Streaming video sites use it because of this reason (not because of quality or features)
Microsoft did not close off any competition. Microsoft never forced anyone to use their software, all the way back to the original IBM PC. Back in the old days there were plenty of operating systems (and there still is). For every application you mention, I can name at least a dozen competitors.
If you don't like Microsoft products - don't use it. Push for change. Microsoft did one hell of a marketing job - like it or not.
This complaint of Googles is, respectfully, without merit - particularly because during the install process, one is not in any way forced into selecting MSN search as your search provider. In fact, during my install of Beta 2, Google was #2 on the list of providers the installer presents to setup search, right behind Ask.com.
I wonder if Google actually looked at Beta 2 before making this argument. To my knowledge, Microsoft has never been so level-handed in how it facilitated integration with a competitor's technology.
Google should be applauding this, not recycling the old anti-MS bluster.
Microsoft may not have had a monopoly technically, but they have been known to use their power in unfair ways. Example: Say Microsoft is a bread maker and they own most of the bread people want to buy. All the grocery stores carry MS bread. Then MS comes out with a line of Milk. The gorcery stores want to carry MS milk too, but MS says that they want their milk to be the only milk the grocery store carries. The grocery store says no. MS says that it will refuse to provide the grocery store with their bread (remember it's the most popular bread) if the store will not remove the other lines of Milk from their shelves. What choice does the grocery store have? Lose all it's bread customers or keep them and carry only MS milk? That is what people are worried MS is doing. Inhibiting people from choosing. Sorry for the corny grocery store metaphor, but it was how it was explained to me. Hope this helps.
All the computer makers and chip makers and retailers and even all you customers are responsible for Microsoft being in the position they are in. Everyone chose to go along with MS, like any school kid who goes along with the bully. It's all about choice people, and right now it is Google who is playing the bully trying to take away choice. My choice is to use the products that work right for me- Windows, Google, Quicktime, iTunes, Intuit, Adobe, Symentec, Spybot-S&D, Ad-Aware, Corel, etc. There are so many choices out there that sometimes it is hard to say no.
Be wary of the fine print and don't let anyony tell you that theirs is the right or only way.
Google goal to take control all information of world, that's why they said they are not interest in the OS. Who you will scare?? When you get on the net, they know everything what you doing.
Google is lobbying Washington against the very same arrangement that is has with Apple Computer on every Mac, in the Safari web browser. It's a Google-only search.
...is that Apple chose to put Google there, Google didn't put Google there. If Microsoft chose to put Yahoo in by default instead of Google, there argument would be meritless--however, MS is putting themselves there, and that speaks to their dubious position as both competitor and gatekeeper.
Anybody who though Google was invincible, was probably wrong. Like most other companies, when the going gets tough the lame run to the courts.
Mozilla, Firefox, Opera et al, for years have been offering google as the main search engine. And this is the default search engine in that small box they have on the right top of the Brower.
I cant believe the kind of crap that gets written about Microsoft.
Guys they are smart. You are not They are rich. You are not They can sell any damm thing. You cant.
After reading the arguments, I think Google has already got what they wanted. Publicity that people can set Google search as default in IE7!!!
I take google going to the court just to make people aware that the new IE7 has got a default search at the top and people should set google as as their search engine.
I don't know why Google is wasting its time and energy in petty fights. Instead it should focus on improving its search technology. These days probably LYCOS has better search results than Google....
I just checked out IE7's search feature. It's just so very simple for changing default search engine. If anyone wants to search Google, they will simply set the search engine to Google. My friend's PC has got Yahoo Toolbar, so with that comes, Yahoo search, but still he runs Google everytime he has to search! I think that Google need not be worried.
I use a lot of different search engines even a little known one called jux2. I really like the way ie7 lets you set up your default engine its a little hard to see but other than that its a great idea.love the topic searches also.SO google stop your crying and get on with find new and better technology for us concumers.How many times do you go to download something and you have to uncheck a box so you dont download Googles toolbar?once again stop crying and make a better product
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In IE4 - IE6, the user can search from the address bar: type in a search text, press enter and the search is redirected to the user-configured search engine.
The popularity of the search text box feature in browsers like Firefox and Opera drives IE7 to copy -- although you can still use the IE7 address bar to type in your searches.
In all of these browsers, the user can always configure the default search engine to use.
I usually set mine to Google. And I bet many users do the same.
So Google... come on... why worry?
IE and its engine is part of the OS, so basically IE7 would be part of
the OS. moreover people will eventually upgrade to IE7 when finall
via win update
Google is so over-reacting. They should focus more on developing and making their search system work better and better than trying to file the law suit against Microsoft.
This action makes me think of changing my default search to MSN instead.
Cheers
G
This is a key part of the issue: no novice would ever do that. Just as no novice would ever hit CTRL-E to open a search sidebar or ALT-LEFT/RIGHT arrows to go back and forth.
On a side note, the current search feature you refer to is limited in use (surely why they are seperating it to another text box).
Currently, IE first tries to resolve whatever you type by adding .com, edu, gov; when it fails, it will run an msn search. This makes simple searches like 'Nissan' useless.
Its one thing to switch to Google when MS and Yahoo gives the privacy of its users to the government, but to switch because Google is complaining just like the rest of the IT/Software world about Microsoft being a Monopoly, and that is your only reason is a little juvenile.
copy - ooooo make it do that
aquire - ooo i like that, buy it.
They just approved another x millions of dollars to aquire startups (aka patents like the cool skin conductivity communication patent that could let your cell-phone-watch talk to your HUD-eye-glasses and display the name/number of an incoming call).
MS must have complete lack of creativity. From the beginning, they BOUGHT the DOS operating system. And then?
Manufacturers and OEMs have long had the ability to add their own software to systems, modify the desktop and make other tweaks. All Microsoft did was say "if you sell the operating system, IE must be on board". Pretty simple really. There wasn't a ton of "and you can't put any other browser on it and you need to block Netscape's website so people can't download my competitor's browser" talk. Yet, in early iterations of IE, Netscape was, by far, the dominate browser in the market. Including IE on the desktop did have some effect admittedly, but not to the extent that Netscape could not perform. Part of the reason is Netscape made an effort to start selling the browser. When MS introduced the browser for free, Netscape eroded its own market.
But what is most often ignored when people speak of anti-trust is how marketplaces work and the self-regulating actions that happen in markets. It is through competition that innovation comes forward. Does Microsoft make an innovative product? At one point in time they did. But Apple has been resurrected (with help from MS in the past and the iPod in the present) and Linux has flourished and made fairly steady progress amongst both business and desktop users. Firefox and other open-source solutions have and will continue to show that there is still room for competition so long as a competitor's weaknesses can be exploited. Private and proprietary solutions will also give chase in the marketplace. All of these factors lead to a natural balance. We are witnessing this shift with MS's noticable anger and envy of Google, the failure to capitalize on both getting new releases out and continuing to innovate. In the mean time, Google and many other competitors have taken to the cause and entered into serious competition with MS.
Google's attempts to swing anti-trust-speak at MS is a bit like kicking the dog when it is down. Unfortunately, there are some of us who see and take their claims at face-value - baseless. Who really cares if Microsoft includes their search engine as the default? It won't change the mind of anyone using Firefox or Opera. It will not change the need for Firefox and Opera to advertise and compete with IE on the Windows platform. If Google really wants to put pressure on anyone (not government pressure, but wink-wink, nudge-nudge kinda pressure), they need to go to the manufacturers such as Dell, HP, Lenovo and others to get the browser of their choosing put on the desktop or have their search engine set as the default (if it is possible at the oem level). That is where Netscape failed and went wrong and now Google looks to make the same mistake.
Google is superior to MSN, that's what a meant. Go Linux. And stuff.
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-The Web Browser
-Presentation software (Powerpoint used to be Adobe Persuasion, among several others with different and often good approaches) Does anyone use any other Presentation/slide software with any market share?
-Text Editor: WordPerfect (until MS _bundled_ Word with Office, WP was the leader.)
- Databases - How much market share for Access is due to it being the "default" in Office.
-Windows Media Player - the default on a monopoly OS. Streaming video sites use it because of this reason (not because of quality or features)
If you don't like Microsoft products - don't use it. Push for change. Microsoft did one hell of a marketing job - like it or not.
I wonder if Google actually looked at Beta 2 before making this argument. To my knowledge, Microsoft has never been so level-handed in how it facilitated integration with a competitor's technology.
Google should be applauding this, not recycling the old anti-MS bluster.
Anyone, including businesses, could have purchased Macs, Ataris or other computers.
Linux includes everything known to man in its distros. Is this unfair?
Microsoft controls Windows and should be allowed to include whatever they want. Whoever doesn't like it is free to build another OS.
Microsoft's only blunder was not pumping enough money into the right politicans. Once you get the cash everyone wants a piece.
Google's getting to be worse than Microsoft and in a few years you will all regret the support you gave to Google.
Say Microsoft is a bread maker and they own most of the bread people want to buy. All the grocery stores carry MS bread. Then MS comes out with a line of Milk. The gorcery stores want to carry MS milk too, but MS says that they want their milk to be the only milk the grocery store carries. The grocery store says no. MS says that it will refuse to provide the grocery store with their bread (remember it's the most popular bread) if the store will not remove the other lines of Milk from their shelves. What choice does the grocery store have? Lose all it's bread customers or keep them and carry only MS milk?
That is what people are worried MS is doing. Inhibiting people from choosing. Sorry for the corny grocery store metaphor, but it was how it was explained to me. Hope this helps.
Be wary of the fine print and don't let anyony tell you that theirs is the right or only way.
Who you will scare??
When you get on the net, they know everything what you doing.
that is has with Apple Computer on every Mac, in the Safari web
browser. It's a Google-only search.
there. If Microsoft chose to put Yahoo in by default instead of
Google, there argument would be meritless--however, MS is
putting themselves there, and that speaks to their dubious position
as both competitor and gatekeeper.
Mozilla, Firefox, Opera et al, for years have been offering google as the main search engine. And this is the default search engine in that small box they have on the right top of the Brower.
I cant believe the kind of crap that gets written about Microsoft.
Guys they are smart. You are not
They are rich. You are not
They can sell any damm thing. You cant.
Google can go to hell. I got MSN
I take google going to the court just to make people aware that the new IE7 has got a default search at the top and people should set google as as their search engine.
My friend's PC has got Yahoo Toolbar, so with that comes, Yahoo search, but still he runs Google everytime he has to search!
I think that Google need not be worried.