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The "highly recommended" update to the free instant-messaging program also alters users' home page and auto-search function.

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A digital download bill of rights...
by UnnDunn September 1, 2005 6:59 PM PDT
I think it's time for some sort of 'digital download bill of rights' that tightly controls the installation, spyware and settings practices of software makers, especially with regard to their interactions with third-party software.

There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first.
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What I Don't Understand Is...
by 201293546946733175101343322673 September 1, 2005 11:12 PM PDT
If those "extra" features are for "avid" users, why does Yahoo hide those options under "custom" install? The right way for Yahoo to do is, after showing EULA and confirming which folder to install, ask customers CLEARLY what they want or what they don't want without using misleading words such as "typical installation", "recommended installation", and so on.
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Not just downloads
by aabcdefghij987654321 September 2, 2005 8:35 AM PDT
You said:

"There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first."

Which is absolutely correct, installing software from any source shouldn't make changes to other software without explictly explaining what changes it wants to make and allowing the user to decide otherwise.

But the other part is that when you're installing one piece of software it shouldn't be bundled with a lot of other unannounced software in the first place.
A digital download bill of rights...
by UnnDunn September 1, 2005 6:59 PM PDT
I think it's time for some sort of 'digital download bill of rights' that tightly controls the installation, spyware and settings practices of software makers, especially with regard to their interactions with third-party software.

There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first.
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What I Don't Understand Is...
by 201293546946733175101343322673 September 1, 2005 11:12 PM PDT
If those "extra" features are for "avid" users, why does Yahoo hide those options under "custom" install? The right way for Yahoo to do is, after showing EULA and confirming which folder to install, ask customers CLEARLY what they want or what they don't want without using misleading words such as "typical installation", "recommended installation", and so on.
View reply
Not just downloads
by aabcdefghij987654321 September 2, 2005 8:35 AM PDT
You said:

"There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first."

Which is absolutely correct, installing software from any source shouldn't make changes to other software without explictly explaining what changes it wants to make and allowing the user to decide otherwise.

But the other part is that when you're installing one piece of software it shouldn't be bundled with a lot of other unannounced software in the first place.
A digital download bill of rights...
by UnnDunn September 1, 2005 6:59 PM PDT
I think it's time for some sort of 'digital download bill of rights' that tightly controls the installation, spyware and settings practices of software makers, especially with regard to their interactions with third-party software.

There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first.
Reply to this comment
What I Don't Understand Is...
by 201293546946733175101343322673 September 1, 2005 11:12 PM PDT
If those "extra" features are for "avid" users, why does Yahoo hide those options under "custom" install? The right way for Yahoo to do is, after showing EULA and confirming which folder to install, ask customers CLEARLY what they want or what they don't want without using misleading words such as "typical installation", "recommended installation", and so on.
View reply
Not just downloads
by aabcdefghij987654321 September 2, 2005 8:35 AM PDT
You said:

"There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first."

Which is absolutely correct, installing software from any source shouldn't make changes to other software without explictly explaining what changes it wants to make and allowing the user to decide otherwise.

But the other part is that when you're installing one piece of software it shouldn't be bundled with a lot of other unannounced software in the first place.
A digital download bill of rights...
by UnnDunn September 1, 2005 6:59 PM PDT
I think it's time for some sort of 'digital download bill of rights' that tightly controls the installation, spyware and settings practices of software makers, especially with regard to their interactions with third-party software.

There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first.
Reply to this comment
What I Don't Understand Is...
by 201293546946733175101343322673 September 1, 2005 11:12 PM PDT
If those "extra" features are for "avid" users, why does Yahoo hide those options under "custom" install? The right way for Yahoo to do is, after showing EULA and confirming which folder to install, ask customers CLEARLY what they want or what they don't want without using misleading words such as "typical installation", "recommended installation", and so on.
View reply
Not just downloads
by aabcdefghij987654321 September 2, 2005 8:35 AM PDT
You said:

"There is absolutely no valid reason for any piece of software to change settings on a third-party application without user permission first."

Which is absolutely correct, installing software from any source shouldn't make changes to other software without explictly explaining what changes it wants to make and allowing the user to decide otherwise.

But the other part is that when you're installing one piece of software it shouldn't be bundled with a lot of other unannounced software in the first place.
Design flaw for Yahoo Messenger service
by n3td3v September 1, 2005 7:59 PM PDT
http://groups.google.com/group/n3td3v/msg/8a2d2ce54ce7f7bc
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Design flaw for Yahoo Messenger service
by n3td3v September 1, 2005 7:59 PM PDT
http://groups.google.com/group/n3td3v/msg/8a2d2ce54ce7f7bc
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Design flaw for Yahoo Messenger service
by n3td3v September 1, 2005 7:59 PM PDT
http://groups.google.com/group/n3td3v/msg/8a2d2ce54ce7f7bc
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Design flaw for Yahoo Messenger service
by n3td3v September 1, 2005 7:59 PM PDT
http://groups.google.com/group/n3td3v/msg/8a2d2ce54ce7f7bc
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not really nice...
by ceebee23 September 1, 2005 8:14 PM PDT
I actually read the onscreen instructions and very carefully did NOT install the Yahoo toolbar and search etc ..but it is pretty poor behaviour of Yahoo not to make it more explicit.

But at least Windows users have got a new version of Messenger ..when will Yahoo grow up and provide updates to the Mac version!!!!!
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If this is how they do business...
by Eric W September 1, 2005 9:06 PM PDT
... I think maybe I'll stick with iChat. I don't really care for the way
Yahoo is doing business. Of course, I don't really care for the way
AIM, MSN and just about all the others do business, either. I think
that makes me S.O.L.! :)

Eric
not really nice...
by ceebee23 September 1, 2005 8:14 PM PDT
I actually read the onscreen instructions and very carefully did NOT install the Yahoo toolbar and search etc ..but it is pretty poor behaviour of Yahoo not to make it more explicit.

But at least Windows users have got a new version of Messenger ..when will Yahoo grow up and provide updates to the Mac version!!!!!
Reply to this comment
If this is how they do business...
by Eric W September 1, 2005 9:06 PM PDT
... I think maybe I'll stick with iChat. I don't really care for the way
Yahoo is doing business. Of course, I don't really care for the way
AIM, MSN and just about all the others do business, either. I think
that makes me S.O.L.! :)

Eric
not really nice...
by ceebee23 September 1, 2005 8:14 PM PDT
I actually read the onscreen instructions and very carefully did NOT install the Yahoo toolbar and search etc ..but it is pretty poor behaviour of Yahoo not to make it more explicit.

But at least Windows users have got a new version of Messenger ..when will Yahoo grow up and provide updates to the Mac version!!!!!
Reply to this comment
If this is how they do business...
by Eric W September 1, 2005 9:06 PM PDT
... I think maybe I'll stick with iChat. I don't really care for the way
Yahoo is doing business. Of course, I don't really care for the way
AIM, MSN and just about all the others do business, either. I think
that makes me S.O.L.! :)

Eric
not really nice...
by ceebee23 September 1, 2005 8:14 PM PDT
I actually read the onscreen instructions and very carefully did NOT install the Yahoo toolbar and search etc ..but it is pretty poor behaviour of Yahoo not to make it more explicit.

But at least Windows users have got a new version of Messenger ..when will Yahoo grow up and provide updates to the Mac version!!!!!
Reply to this comment
If this is how they do business...
by Eric W September 1, 2005 9:06 PM PDT
... I think maybe I'll stick with iChat. I don't really care for the way
Yahoo is doing business. Of course, I don't really care for the way
AIM, MSN and just about all the others do business, either. I think
that makes me S.O.L.! :)

Eric
Yahoo IM!
by September 1, 2005 8:32 PM PDT
They didn't get me, I did the Custom install and eliminated all their garbage, and believe me, there are tons of it.
Mark
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Yahoo IM!
by September 1, 2005 8:32 PM PDT
They didn't get me, I did the Custom install and eliminated all their garbage, and believe me, there are tons of it.
Mark
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Yahoo IM!
by September 1, 2005 8:32 PM PDT
They didn't get me, I did the Custom install and eliminated all their garbage, and believe me, there are tons of it.
Mark
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Yahoo IM!
by September 1, 2005 8:32 PM PDT
They didn't get me, I did the Custom install and eliminated all their garbage, and believe me, there are tons of it.
Mark
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Spyware
by September 1, 2005 8:35 PM PDT
This update has the same behavior as some spyware applications. Thankfully, I'm on Linux, which comes with GAim, a program which can connect to yahoo without having to download yahoo messenger. Anyone interested can get it from sourceforge. It has both linux and windows versions.
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gaim rocks!
by Scott W September 3, 2005 2:17 AM PDT
hehe, i've just put it on right now :)
no dodgy spyware BS for me.
Spyware
by September 1, 2005 8:35 PM PDT
This update has the same behavior as some spyware applications. Thankfully, I'm on Linux, which comes with GAim, a program which can connect to yahoo without having to download yahoo messenger. Anyone interested can get it from sourceforge. It has both linux and windows versions.
Reply to this comment
gaim rocks!
by Scott W September 3, 2005 2:17 AM PDT
hehe, i've just put it on right now :)
no dodgy spyware BS for me.
Spyware
by September 1, 2005 8:35 PM PDT
This update has the same behavior as some spyware applications. Thankfully, I'm on Linux, which comes with GAim, a program which can connect to yahoo without having to download yahoo messenger. Anyone interested can get it from sourceforge. It has both linux and windows versions.
Reply to this comment
gaim rocks!
by Scott W September 3, 2005 2:17 AM PDT
hehe, i've just put it on right now :)
no dodgy spyware BS for me.
Spyware
by September 1, 2005 8:35 PM PDT
This update has the same behavior as some spyware applications. Thankfully, I'm on Linux, which comes with GAim, a program which can connect to yahoo without having to download yahoo messenger. Anyone interested can get it from sourceforge. It has both linux and windows versions.
Reply to this comment
gaim rocks!
by Scott W September 3, 2005 2:17 AM PDT
hehe, i've just put it on right now :)
no dodgy spyware BS for me.
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