Comments on: File swapping vs. Hollywood

Movie studios and record labels find unlikely bedfellows in Supreme Court fight against file swapping.

Christian Coalition and Slippery Slope

The argument presented by the Christian Coalition is outright example of a slippery slope argument. In critical thinking, a slippery slope is an argument that assumes that if one thing happens, then another thing and another thing will automatically happen. That is not always the case and should not be assumed under most circumstances. Thus, the Christian Coalition?s statement should be completely ignored in this case. I am a very devout Christian but that does not mean I agree with everything the Christian Coalition decides to say. Also, any other aspects of the arguments of the RIAA or MPAA that can be considered slippery slopes should also be ignored. The Supreme Court should base their decision this summer on what Grogster has done thus far and whether the rules of the Sony case can be applied. It is my hope that the Supreme Court can see through much of the smoke and mirrors.

[P Ross]

Slope Slides Both Ways

Using the slippery slope argument against the plaintiffs in Grokster is dangerous. Both the defendants and their allies, such as NetCoalition, use a slippery slope argument, saying that any imposition of liability on a P2P software maker could lead to a chilling of technology. Yet all the Grokster case would do is impose liability on for-profit companies whose revenues rely on the desire of millions of users to access free content without the authorization of the copyright owner. That's miles up the slope from a chilling of P2P itself.

[bobby_brady]

Pay policians enough money, they'll do anything

This is the same crap that we have to just learn to live with. Big money always wins. One day the people will have to take matters into their own hands.

[System Tyrant]

Which has more power of politics

Money or votes. Politicians go where the money is, but money doesn't do them any good if they can't get elected or re-elected. If you don't like what you politition is doing don't vote to put him back in office. Money is power and so is voting.

[ordaj]

Hollywood need to develop counter-technology. Period. Not...

...buy laws. They need to innovate technologically, not legally. Adopt better business models, not guard outmoded revenue streams. C'mon Hollywood, get creative outside of the courtroom.

illegitimacy starts technology!

This case is HUGE!!! Can?t be stressed enough! In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, if this is overturned, it would substantially set back technology. We would certainly no longer be the leader of the technology revolution (something that could already be questioned.) But if this is approved, it would kill off many new technological advances? They all start out ?illegitimately?.

If they get what they wanted, the radio, the tape, the CD, mp3?s, digital music, the VCR, and even TIVO would not exist because at one point ALL of these devices were seen as illegitimate.

[imkain]

I agree

regardless of what the arguments are on both sides. The RIAA and the MPAA, if they win, will try to control every aspect of media. They will make VCRs illegal, CDs will have to be played in special CD players, DVDs will need to be played in something similar as a CD, MP3s will be considered illegal. Hell satellite radio will be eliminated because you can now download music off of that. So much for your $350 iPod...if this passes you will no longer be able to use it cause all of the music stores will be shut down and controlled by the RIAA they will charge $5 a song and your precious musicians will only see the normal 1% of the profits. Why can't such talented people, musicians, see that they are being robbed blind. Hell my father informed me of a band that held a private concert in the desert in Arizona and charged $20 a head and with that charge you received a CD of the entire concert burnt on disc by one of the band member's sons. When all was said and done the RIAA tried to sue them for stealing their own music stating that THAT was copyright infringement. This is just a fine example of a business getting way to much power. Just wait until they sue the wrong person and they countersue them for Civil right infractions for scanning their computer without a warrant and using spyware to do it. They will all serve 20 years minimum in jail for that charge. Long live technology....may it bury the ones who oppose it.

[bobby_brady]

Skype would be outlawed too

if p2p is found made illegal.

[Prndll]

Think about the direction that technology is going

Using Grokster, Kazaa, Morpheus, or any other P2P program for downloading music and movies is no differant from downloading music and movies to your radio or tv. Especially since radio and tv are now recording the transmissions. The cable companies, radio stations, and Hollywood are all the fascillitators just as any P2P software company. Kazaa makes a song available to millions of computers just as the Sci-Fi channel makes Stargate available to millions of tv's. Don't kid yourself, the television IS turning into a dedicated computer....even to the point of surfing the internet. NBC, CBS, ABC, and all the others are just as guilty as Kazaa.

The question of new releases:
Well, this isn't about new releases. It's about control and about keeping the "status quoe". Otherwise, Hollywood would not allow new releases on the net (and they do) and 30 year old tv seies shows on dvd would not still be $25 a disk (and some are).

Alot of companies make recording devices and the internet is the ultimate communications tool. Alot of money is being made and spent on "convergeance" bringing the television, the radio, the internet, and the telephone together into ONE device. This cannot be done without some kind of content. Whatever that content may be.

These judges, the RIAA, and the MPAA must excersise extreme caution here. This has the power to lay ALL our most treasured technologies to complete waste.....WORLD WIDE. If America is to remain in the status as a "super power", it MUST maintain technological superiority. This fight has the ability to completely destroy the superiority.

As I see it....
This is about greed, power, and control. All by groups of people that refuse to "use" this technology (perhaps due to fear) for the benifit of all man kind.

[Earl]

p2p swapping

I can understand what is happening, but all I say, is that if this was not to come true, then why were recorder's made in the first place?
Also, the way things are now more people are hearing artist's they never heard before, which could help instead of hender the sell of music.

[damoney777]

Bongs??

Yes bongs are legal and thus so should the stuff you put in them be also. But seriously, this is such an old arguement. No I don't believe in piracy but yes I do believe in any form of communication between folks and thier machines. Did I build this machine just so I could play Solitare? Hell no! Do I want to rip-off the music industry? No! Do most others? I really don't think so. Go ahead RIAA, make your move. Us consumers who buy your products can make or break the industry. Check-Mate!

[stephenmeyer]

DOES ANY OF THIS REALLY MATTER?

Does any of this really matter?

No matter what the courts say, the fact is that anything that can be done digitally can be undone. Hence, all efforts on the part of the RIAA, the MPAA, and any related organizations will all prove fruitless because the Pandora's box (the Internet) has been open far too long and there's no eradicating the technology that exists that allows people to download.

If there is ANY tech person out there that is reading this that can state that there will someday be a technology to prevent downloading, by all means please tell me. But every single tech person I've interviewed for the last five years has told me that no matter what will be created to stop these practices, all efforts will be temporal and undone by other tech people who know how to get around whatever "speedbumps" are placed out here in cyberspace.

Even if it were possible to shutdown every website around the world that offered film and music content, that would onlty create a host of Intranets and User groups that would continue to download anyway.

Whether it's Grokster, or any of the dozens (hundreds?) of other file-sharing websites out there that have music and film content on them, the issue should now be for the film and music industries to create new online revenue models ASAP because whether they like it or not the Internet is not going away, and neither is file-sharing/downloading. It's going to continue...and instead of wasting precious time on lawsuits and trying to find a "magic bullet" to solve the problem, the film and music industries need to realize they will have to co-exist in this new world.

If the industry thinks that thought unthinkable...then I suggest they look at iTunes and the revenue and sales Mr. Jobs and company expect to gross this year.

Online digital music sales are way up. According to the IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry), the number of legitimate online music sites rose to 230 last year, compared to 50 the year before. The catalog of music available online also doubled, to 1 million songs. The international trade organization also says that individuals in the U.S. and Europe legally downloaded over 200 million tracks last year, up from approximately 20 million in 2003. That amounts to online sales of about $330 million, or about six times 2003's take. (http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/library/digital-music-report-2005.pdf)

It's time for the film industry to realize they can reap the same rewards if they stop wasting time. Who knows...maybe Steve Jobs already has iFilms in the works.

Steve Meyer
President - Smart Marketing
Publisher - DISC&DAT - A New Media Newsletter
Las Vegas, NV 89141
E-mail: [e-mail]

[Prndll]

I completely agree, but......

We're talking about people that are not interested in "co-existing". These people want dominance. This whole thing is a struggle for power and control. They have plenty of money and plenty of clout and are using them both.