Comments on: Prince: The artist who formerly liked the Internet

Once considered a pioneer in online music distribution, the musician has since turned testy about fan sites and file-sharing networks. What happened?

[Bryce Mirtle]

Prince who?

His music & popularity has forever faded, now he's doing whatever
he can to make headlines. It's time to get in that little red corvette
& head to the old folks home, sorry Prince your time has come &
gone...

[groink_hi]

The tide changes...

When the artist gives away his wares for years, he's the best. But once he pulls his wares from the "free" category, he's an arshole and a has-been. I don't understand the logic applied by some people.

[Spork_This1]

Nice.

Someone must still like his music or they wouldn't be stealing it.

[jiminca]

Why Steal it when he's giving it away.

I guess I can understand Prince's frustration. As a longtime fan, and I buy or received free through his promotions, his music.

When he's giving it away through promotions why pirate the music? That is a learned bad behavior. He has given many opportunities to legally get the music, and support him as a artist by showing:
1. He has the marketshare to still sell music
2. Buying the other items like t-shirts and concert tickets

I think you can be a visionary, and still not tolerate theft.

[Stephen Russell]

Lazy Bastard

Your quote of the situation is perfect "Prince was a pioneer in his efforts to give away music in order to promote concerts and merchandise."

You make the BIG money is selling your brand and not in having the label peddle disks.

Get over it and get you butt back on the road. Didn't Prince have the 1K seat price for small venue concerts?

Shame on him.

[J.G.]

Prince deserves to be paid

I totally support Prince's efforts. He has a right to benefit from
his prodigious talents. Being Internet friendly and being a mark
for thieves are not synonymous.

Only someone out of touch would need to ask who Prince is. He
is one of few artists who's careers began in the 1970s who is still
producing excellent new material.

[m.meister]

off base

Sorry.. but Prince has gone off the deep end. I can understand
things like the Pirate Bay and even use of songs that give Prince a
negative image (like promoting hate, etc).

But come on, Prince is attacking his own fan sites, demanding that
pictures of him (even ones taken by fans) be taken down. That's
not just protecting your works, that's just nuts.

[MSSlayer]

How many times should he be paid

For a single song?

[rdupuy11]

the poor multi-millionaires

the poor multi-millionaires...by Princes account, his poor $150 million dollar fortune is barely enough to get by...gas is up, you know.

The way you make music, is from your fans. When you tick people off, and have less fans, I expect you should make less money.

I remember the old prince fondly, but I have no plans to purchase anything this guy does ever again...the bitter geezer out there now, is not the Prince I knew as a youth.

[goople]

"What's went wrong?"

You did!

Only Prince has the right to give away his music. No one else automatically has this right. Strange how the media is encouraging this behavior. What will happen when people starting pirating your (writers) content?

we shall see.

http://www.gooplesdigiworld.com

[rdupuy11]

it is automatic with writing

When copyrights expire, and they do have an expiration, the material goes into the public domain, and the public automatically has the right to copy it freely.

That was always the balance between the needs of the public and those of the content producer.

That same idea will apply to music. Nevermind getting caught into the idea of right and wrong....

Artists want to maximize their profitability...which is exactly why Prince gave away his music.

Sure he can change his mind...and sure the laws can be rewritten to favor the public...all these things can be done.

But without getting into those theories...the fact is, as a practical matter, society is changing, and giving away music, and profiting from concerts and merchandise, is the new business model that works.

[Dalkorian]

what?

Goople commented:

"Only Prince has the right to give away his music. No one else
automatically has this right."

Wait a second here - how can you accuse people of stealing and
piracy when they're dealing with something that was free to
begin with? Talk about a double standard!

The thing formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince
has had his day in the sun. I haven't heard anything from him in
a while, except for this lawsuit garbage - against his own fans
nonetheless! It's just wrong to try to force a profit through
lawsuits for garbage that no one wants anyway.

[ParallaxRebel]

Prince stinks

suing your fans didn't work for Metallica either, there was a massive boycott and they lost a lot of revenue.

Let us now boycott Prince!

[protagonistic]

RE: Prince:-The-artist-who-formerly-liked-the-Internet

Earth to Prince. The fans made you and the fans can break you.
You are quickly becoming irrelevant in the music world. The music
industry needs a good wake up call. Most of the garbage you
produce is no more unique than the new house down the street
from me.

[gsmiller88]

Prince is an odd one....

What is it with these strange high pitched male pop singers from
the 80s?

[thedreaming]

Piracy

Piracy has always existed in the net in one form or another but the once hobby of a few loose nerds has blossomed into a multi million dollar problem for both the record industry and the motion picture industry and it looks like it's going to get a lot worst before it gets any better.

[goople]

its not about business models

it's about copyright violation.

New business models are beside the point.

...and there are emerging "societies" that believe in killing to make a point...should they pass laws to enable this as well?

[goople]

you tell me

You you tell me what was free, and what the terms were.

Don't make wild ASSumptions.

[bschmidt25]

Remember?

Remember when Metallica tried essentially the same thing about 6 years ago by suing Napster? That was the beginning of the end of free music downloads. It shut down the easiest method (ever) of downloading free music and forced the file sharers underground and made everyone use crappy services like Kazaa and Gnutella. Lots more outrage at the time than this, but what's happened since then? Nothing! I don't think Metallica has done a whole lot since then (I may be wrong) besides continuing to count their money. You can call him a moron, but Prince is going to come out ahead. What does he have to lose? Might as well get used to this sort of thing. Between the RIAA and (some) artists, it's going to be a while before this shakes out.

[cidman2001]

Who?????

I too feel I haven't heard anything worth file sharing or buying from Prince in decades, but I do admire his willingness to be controversial. I'm still waiting for a major artist to sue the RIAA for not doing enough to protect their copyrights. The RIAA member organizations had a hand in designing and settling on standards for digital files. At the time, they all marveled at how this was going to make music cheaper and more accessible. In fact, this was the argument made to get everyone to abandon cassette tapes for CDs. The irony here is, the price of a cd was more than an album or cassette. It still is today! I say the record companies made a bundle when the manufacturing cost went from 2 to 3 dollars per unit to 15 to 20 cents per unit. I didn't hear them complaining then. As an artist myself, I feel that the record companies haven't embraced online distribution yet is that they haven't figured out a way to match those kinds of margins and of course screw the consumer and the artist at the same time.
I guess the real point here is that the RIAA built and opened their own Pandora's box...I can't wait for the day when everyone buys their music directly from the artists. A guy with a reoutation like Prince should have no problem doing this. Of course once it is digital and on the internet, it's fair game.....

[Seaspray0]

Prince - formerly known as an artist?

He's been off the charts for years and changing his name to "the artist" was more detrimental to his career in my opinion. His chances of succeeding against pirate bay is slim considering they've already withstood heavy hitters like the RIAA. Mr. Sandler, I've got a new movie for you after that job you did in the waterboy.

But, I'll give the man credit for his musical achievements back in the 80's, for his pioneering work in providing music via the internet, and for the good he's done the industry as a whole. Perhaps it's time for him to retire on past laurels.

[snoonw]

he doesnt want the not to perfect pics to get out

The problem is he wants the not so good pics of him taken by fans to get a wider distribution! so if he isnt looking perfect those pics dont get the light of day

[Anysia]

Prince and lars

they have a similar thing in common.

Lars Ulrich said over and over if it hasn't been for the bootlegged tapes and free exchange of Metallicas' music, they wouldn't be the 'mega-band' they are. Then when he/they became famous, the goes after the bootleggers and music exchangers. That is called being hypocritical.

Prince, after passing his music around freely, and encouraging file sharing, now is saying FOUL because that is exactly what is happening, and wants to take his ball and go home. Also, the video clip of the dancing baby... if it hadn't been for the article saying what song it was, I wouldn't have known.

[donegan01]

I agree

I agree that these two people, need to get out there start performing again, and earn there huge bucks, like some great old bands like Rolling Stones. They are just trying to take the easy way out and get more money than they deserve for there work. It would be like me getting paid over and over for getting road service to a customer that I serviced years ago. Thats just insane.

[ED2KSR]

Wake up!

cidman2001 stated the truth. I honestly believe that since the first record company was established they have milked the cash to the max. They made incredible money cheating us with absurd prices for an album or song. SOMEWHERE ALONG IN A "LIFETIME" THINGS JUST BALANCE OUT. For the record industry this is what's happening. Samething for the movie industry. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!

[cidman2001]

At last...

Thanks for agreeing with the obvious. I like the thought of it just being some kind of natural financial rebalancing...sounds fair to me! I think it's funny that Sony (major RIAA,MPAA member) also manufactures hardware to make copies of the media they'resuing people for sharing. I'd say they've got some nerve!

[Spork_This1]

Perhaps, but...

I work with a lot of musicians. While I think they get the short end of the stick from the record companies, I do believe that they deserve to get paid for what they do. How would you like to go to work and not get paid? "Yes, I'd like to be idolized and harassed but never compensated for my time, thanks."

[Spork_This1]

A long period of consideration.

New musicians want to play for a living. How can they do that when people would rather rip them off because they feel justified that they are actually sticking it to the man? Prince may not be on the top of the pile these days but his work is his. If someone ripped off my artwork, I'd be cheesed. I have paintings I have poured my heart and soul into and to me there is far more value in them than I will probably ever get paid for, so yeah, he's within his rights. Get over it.

[unknown unknown]

Keep swatting at those fan sites

and alienating the fans that buy the music and he won't have to worry cause he won't have a career...well not a paying one anyway.
No amount of walking around in assless pants will save him then.

[Spork_This1]

Yep.

Now that I must wholeheartedly agree with.

[DAL]

Diminishing Returns

I propose to all artists and record companies that you price all items on a diminishing scale. Today, I'll pay 99 cents for a song I really like - sans DRM.

Twenty-five years from now, that song should only cost me about three cents.

Isn't there a "public domain" document agreement that after 25 years, any music can be used for any purpose without compensation? I might be wrong about that. Am I way off?

Either way, Prince is not befriending many with this action. I agree he can stand up for his rights as much as he wants. He is entitled to whatever he has created and should be compensated fairly. But if Pirate Bay goes down, something else will rise up and take its place.

Whether or not Lars Ulrich made any friends with his retaliatory stance, everyone remembers what he did. He stood up for his rights as an artist.

Admirable...if not questionable.

Tally HO!

[m.meister]

you can thank Mickey for no public domain

Sorry.. music (or any copyright for that matter) has a very, very long
life. It's something like life of author + 50 years or some ungodly
length for corporations.

Basically, every time Mickey is about to be put in the Public Domain,
Disney puts lots of money in the pockets of Congressmen who then
extend copyrights for another 50+ years for that date.

Of course, the true irony is that many of the "Disney classics" are
based on work that was in the public domain. So Disney benefited
from works entering into the public domain and then made sure it
would never happen again.