Comments on: Police Blotter: Bondage Webmaster fights abuse conviction

Owner of SlaveSpace.com tries to overturn verdict saying he's guilty of criminal abuse of woman who volunteered to be his sex slave.

[Dr_Zinj]

Weird

Really quite simple. The defendent should not be prosecuted for anything up until the point the woman finally said, "No". Everything before that was either explicit or implied consentual behavior.

[ferricoxide]

In A Society Where...

Someone can agree to have sex the night before, but wake up, regret the act and claim rape, it's a bit much to expect such a point of demarcation.

-tom

[DustyAngel]

contracts

Was there a contract?If so it should be signed by her and where I come from be binding prove of her acceptance to this life style!Then if she wanted out lets it be signed on the contract.He seems to me to get very out of hand in my appenion but these things are supposted to be negotiated before hand and no or red means no if your a real trusted respected Dom.
A slave to one
Lace

[uglo]

Sex Slave

Jodi is just as guilty as Marcus. She asked for everything she got and she should serve prison time and any penalties he gets. People who do this have a brain malfunction in my opinion but I guess this world is full of Dalhmers, Bundys, and all other sorts.

[Zupek]

I am a bit lost

So if agree to have someone beat me with a baseball bat and i enjoy it for 5 months straight and then regret it later on, its their fault and they can go prison for it?

More proof that democracy is slowly falling apart @ the seems. The people are getting smarter then the government and my guess is, in the next 100 years the people will take down the government. But lets hope its peaceful.

[Lilly222]

Not lost at all

If someone wants to die and ask you to kill them you would still be guilty of murder if you complied. Being asked to do something illegal doesn't suddenly make it okay. Besides, agreeing to being killed or beaten/tortured brings up the point that you're not of sound mind at the time, which is required for legal consent. Anyway, this is all beside the point since the man wasn't convicted of assault, he was convicted of sex trafficking (the same thing they get pimps for, if the women are willing or not), and forced labor since he was profiting from his website. The woman's contention was that she originally agreed to the bondage/sex sessions, but once he got pictures he began using them to blackmail her into continuing the relationship and engaging in acts beyond what she wanted (even masochist have their limits). The man's a dangerous sadist that takes great pleasure from others pain, so blackmail doesn't seem at all beyond him. That the fellow wouldn't take a slap on the wrist plea agreement and seemed to think he could get women jurors to side with him after viewing graphic images him torturing a woman makes him also guilty of being felony stupid.

[NoVista]

Shades of "Gor" !

as in a string to trash BDSM paperbacks, initially written by some university professor and later, I believe, ghosted by a committee.

"Tarnsman of Gor" dates back to 1966. An interesting bit of psychopathology, it seemed. Maybe ten years ago on IRC, I discovered some Gorean channels. Wow. Not only were the users roleplaying, some actually lived the lifestyle. IRL (in Real Life) there were several MZ women involved 24/7. Weird.

[spartacus_II]

BDSM Cult

I think people are missing the point here. The person who complained to the police did not complain about the abuse, she complained that she had been 'brainwashed' by Marcus.
Marcus was convicted under forced labor legislation. There is no specific legislation aginst cults, so procecutors find that forced labor legislation is the most appropriate law to deal with cults, and many have been sucessfully prosecuted this way.
The lady accused Marcus of brainwashing her, he was prosecuted, and the jury agreed that there was cultic influence, despite marcus claiming that he did nothing more than anyone else in BDSM does.
This conviction is important because it shows that there is serious cultic processes at work within BDSM, and that any informed consent given under this form of duress will not stand up to investigation in a court of law.
Marcus followed the rules of BDSM and could go to jail for 30 years to life. For anyone who believes that 'informed consent' as BDSM teaches it actually means anything, then this judgement shows that it will not stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. Its a crushing blow to one of the basic tenets that sadists put forward in defence of their lifestyle

[AzElizabeth]

Government Dictation.

BDSM lifestyle is based on three ideas. Safe, Sane, and CONSENSUAL.

There will always be people who give others a bad name. What I see here is someone who participated in activities and then cried rape after the fact. She willingly moved in with him, willingly let him do things to her and then when the relationship went sour she wanted her pictures down. The issue here isn?t wether or not things happened to her that she didn?t want. The issue is that she wanted the pictures off the web site and so she cried rape in order to force them down. She consented, she signed a model release.

In my opinion she manipulated the system to get a desired result. She has placed the BDSM community in a negative light. An activity isn?t wrong just because it isn?t something you personally would choose.