Comments on: Feds take porn fight to Google

Bush administration subpoenas records of all searches over one week as it defends disputed antiporn law.
Document: Google subpoenaed over pornography

[Oscar Rat]

Juat how is this supposed to work?

What I don't see is how your search terms can be used in that court case.

Let's say that I type "Child Porn" into google, and they save that search term. That they can even find out my address and ISP.

How will they know my age, much less whether I used one of those kiddy programs? I don't think even Google will know. Hell, a kid could be visiting and sneak on my computer for all they know.

No. I think kiddy porn is just an excuse to get a foot in the door, making more specialized searches easier in the future.

Charlie

[ellasagelas]

MOVE GOOGLE TO INDIA

...so that it's out of US jurisdiction. Otherwise, sooner or later, an Indian company will start a new search engine and the Indian government will promise not to interfere with user privacy. I don't know about you, but if such a thing happens, I will never ever use a US-based search engine again in my life. The erosion of trust that such government actions create is a tremendous opportunity for countries like India to get a big slice out of the US Internet industry. I am sure that our "enlightened" administration hasn't thought of this scenario (the same way they didn't think there would be an insurgency in Iraq).

[Blito]

This will destroy the economy like the scandels of the late 90s did.

This will destroy the economy like the scandels of the late 90s did.

[Stan Johnson]

Rediculous

Destroy the economy? What an idiotic comment. LOL

[Stan Johnson]

Google should be FORCED to help with child porn

Force Google to help with child porn.

This time I'm on the Feds side. Google should be too. Everyone for that matter.

[PzkwVIb]

This isn't about child porn

Try reading the article first. This is about atatistical analysis the government wants to do to prove to the court that COPA is the only way to block minors from seeing "objectionable" material. Actually the way to accomplish that goal is to heve their parents actually parent.

[Had_to_be_said]

For all the BOZOs, this has NOTHING to do with "child-porn"...

First, the reality is that the FEDS are NOT actually talking about "child-porn". They are trying to prop-up, and even expand, an UNCONSTITUTIONAL-LAW. "COPA", which has NOTHING to do with "child-porn", HAS been repeatedly thrown out by the courts as being "ILLEGAL" on Constitutional grounds.

And, ...you know, ...attacking the U.S. Constitution, especially if you have sworn to uphold it, ...is still, TREASON.

Second, the current administration is also attempting to use their current, ...Yes TRAITOROUS, ...assault on basic "Constitutional rights", defending the "illegal act" of "COPA", to even further erode basic American-freedoms of, and protections from, unreasonable Government-interference in the free exercise of basic-rights, ...with this "fishing expedition" of unconnected "information demands".

Third, again, neither "COPA", nor the governments pathetic, underhanded, and un-American defense of these UnConstitutional-actions, against the American-public, has ANYTHING to do with "child-porn", what-so-ever. And, more importantly, the "Google" issue is in no way involved with either the actual "COPA" case, or "child-porn, at all.

But, once again, a narrow, EXTREMIST-MINORITY, is desperately trying to confuse the issue, ...once their actual intentions, and actions, against the rights of the American-People, have been brought out into the public-awareness.

And finally, the saddest FACT of all is that "COPA" never actually was about "protecting children". Its about exploiting children and mis-using Governmental-authority to "stamp out", what one group considers to be "...an unacceptable expression of free speech", ...period.

My question is, which part of "Constitutionally Protected Free Expression", and "UnConstitutional Attack on Free Speech" are these, clearly anti-American, FASCISTS, having so much trouble with..?

[SeizeCTRL]

I Disagree...

While child porn is a horrible thing... if we stand up and say OK Google, who's been searching for the child porn... we will only begin to accept the fact that our search results are open for government inspection. Where would we draw the line on what the government should and shouldn't be allowed to look at?

Not that I search for anything I don't want the government to know about... it's just I don't really think the government needs to know.

I don't like the idea of Google being the government's little search spy.

If the government wants to track down child porn via google, then they should do what all the people searching for it are doing... SEARCH FOR IT.

[declan00]

nothing to do with child porn

check out this FAQ:
http://news.com.com/FAQ+What+does+the+Google+subpoena+mean/2100-1029_3-6029042.html?tag=nefd.pop

[ExploiT1001]

unconstitutional

This is completely unconstitutional to think this way, and for the federal government to act this way, the internet is a public place, it breaks down the borders of our world...it is a free place, and the united states constitution protects the freedoms of citizens, one protection in which allows the freedom of speech and press. Why shouldn't people be alowed to have sites related to pornography, when they are protected by a document written by men 100000 times more wise and intelligent then president bush and his administration?

if you are so worried about your child looking at pornography or all children looking at it, then do something to tell parents about how to protect thier children, themselves...the federal government doesnt have to regulate businesses and citizens, to protect children...that should be parent's job, to protect thier own children.

[drfrost]

This is NOT about the reason for the search...

This is not about the purported target of the search. It's ABOUT THE SEARCH ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!

If it's ok for the government to perform illegal searches "in the name of the children" at Google, then it's ok for them to do AT YOUR HOUSE!

We're not sure whether or not you have any illegal adult content in your home but we're going to come in and look just to make sure our laws are being effective in curtailing this crime.

It's not about children. It's all about protecting our freedoms. If you don't get that it makes me really sad. I assure you they don't need to subpoena Google to go after adult content sites that don't restrict access based on age.

Do you really want the government regulating what Google can and can't index for searches?

[chanks]

You Just Don't Get It

What Google and 83% of responders are against is turning over complete lists of users and the searches done. This is in violation of the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution. They need a warrant naming the person they want to investigate. What the Bush administration wants has NOTHING to do with Child Pornography(which we are ALL against) instead they want to search out their political enemies and identify us. The law gives them all the tools necessary, but they don't want to use the tools. Bush feels he is above the law, he feels he IS the law and can do anything he wants and the law and the Constitution be damned. Remember he called the Constitution, "...a ******* piece of paper."

[yikes31]

whatever next

I, like anyone else is shocked when child pornography raises its
head and believe that it needs to be combatted.
But I am of the beliefe that agreeing to the surrender of
information to govornments now would act as a precedence for
future requests of information. What will be the noble cause
next time? will 'they' be looking for islamic search terms? what
looks innocent and noble right now could end up coming back
as freedoms are eroded.
Just as those that stood against Bush when he decided to go to
war in Iraq were labelled as 'un american' - when they were
exercising their constitutional right to express their opinion.
What will it be next that you believe in that has been deemed a
social evil? Alcohol? a particular religion?
I thought that the constitution was born to protect against that
kind of judgement.
Many issues that are debated today are a matter of opinion and
each and every person is entitled to their own opinion. It is not
for a few to dictate what is to be believed.
Of course when beliefs lead to the harming of others, some
things need to be done, but are we going to have to ask
permission to use kitchen knives and prove that they are
necessary to prepare the meal we are eating.
In addition, if the US government is allowed access to this
information, what other governments would also want the same?

Gj Google

Yes porn should be taken off the web.
But google should sure as heck not give anything to to govenment.

[206538395198018178908092208948]

Who left you in charge?

Your opinion that porn should be censored is just that, an opinion. For your information, what you call 'porn' is the largest moneymaker on the internet (gosh, somebody must like it!) and has caused the net to improve its function and performance in many ways. A lot of the technology in use on many websites today was developed and funded by the adult industry. Regardless, as an adult I have the absolute right to visit sexually oriented sites should that be my choice. That is what this fight is about, CHOICE! The government is unilaterally fighting a cause determined 'evil' by the "Born Again" far right, led by Dubya at the moment.
The more rights we surrender, the more will be demanded. Knee jerk reactions such as many of those espoused on this board are much more harmful than pornography.

[Corred]

Good Going Google

Good Going Google, Thank Google for standing up tall. If the government wants to go fishing let them design their own trolling rig. Too bad Yahoo et al knuckled under. I am sure Gator would be glad to lisence their technology to the DOJ for a price! No responsible person supports Child pornography but the DOJ request is too broad and tramples on numerous Constitutional Rights. If they sincerely want to protect children they have more than adequate resources to do so already.
DWC in Gawja

[steelman387]

Nothing better to do?

We have hundreds, thousands, in need of a desent place to live, food, medechine for their kids and themselves. But instead of tending to the needy in this country, the government spends it's time and money on seeing what people are searching for on the Net. This makes sense to me, and all this time I thought the government did not care about us.

[cappuccinodarling]

Why do we care so much?

Why is pornography such an issue? Now I understand and agree with the issues of banning child pornograpy, as in the child itself is in the picture. But trying to keep teenagers away from it seems rather pointless. If a kid really wants to look at porn, they will find a way. It is important as a parent to talk about porn with your child and tell them the negative aspects, along with your own views, but unless you are sitting with them every moment of every day, it is possible that they will get it. And secondly, isn't there worse things a 14 year old can be doing on a Saturday night than sitting at home with a Playboy? I mean, really. This seems more like a bunch of adults still freaked out by sex than a legitamite argument.

[drfrost]

You don't get it...

I can't believe so many people are entirely missing the point. Do any of you even know what the fourth amendment says? Let me paraphrase:

THE GOVERNMENT SHALL NOT PERFORM SEARCHES OR SIEZURES WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE!

They've presented no evidence that this law is being violated. In fact, they've clearly stated that the reason for the search is to determine whether or not the law is being violated!

The government doesn't get to violate the constitution. Not in the name of national security. Not in the name of God. Not even in the name of the children.

[jaxx0rr]

ABUSE IS WRONG.. NOMATTER OF AGE

problem:
oh is'nt this nice.. this ******* society with it's rules building up on sex and violence, and any emotions.. just like primitive animals.. you thing theres a diffrence between the stiff arabs and the smooth americans.. but there's actually no diffrence.. all humans are alike..
just keep getting high on emotion, youre walking a path of no return..

solution:
a global system that sees everything.. even reads your mind.. and analises potential problem within there deepest context.

punishments would then be applied only if requested by the victim.. the only automated law would be if the victim cant request it anymore!

you see, it's about this psichological process of motivation.. like that move "Secretary". Some victims want to be abused, then again.. theres the level of selfconciesness eg: children where every individual has a mental age diffrent from its phisical age, or mentally instable humans, but that is another issue.

conclusion:
1. humans need to be more transparent!
2. motivation through fear has to stop!

sad truth:
computers will take over one way or the other!

[kewlgem]

Witch Hunt!!!!

Sounds like the 1950's relived. All you need is to dig up MacArthy. And the cause is porn instead of communism. If you really want to protect the children, protect them from their stupid parents. Back in th 60's they said watch out for "Big Brother". How right they were. We better protect what little privacy that we have left in America by putting a limit on the Fed's power over our lives.

[torystark]

This sounds right

The government should not be able to do this at all it sounds like a way for them to block sites that have pornography but where does it stop? next thing they will block some blogs because they offend our stupid president, then it is anything with swearing oh and then you will only be able to blog with a license yes lets start this its only a downward spiral from here. big bro has to be stopped or they will just keep encroaching baby bite by baby bite. I know this sounds extreme but the American govt is doing things and passing laws that adhere to religious views and is anyone kinda edgy at all about the slow erosion of the constitution

[darix2005]

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[jones6delta]

orwell was right.

I really hate where all this is headed. while reading the project for a new American century (www.newamericancentury.org) i noticed how removing civil liberty is one of the steps to global domination, having a "which hunt" certainly keeps everyone in check as we saw during the McCarthy trials of the 40's and 50's its an easy way of singling out enemies and isolating them.
the people in charge here must be put back in there place and true fredom restored.
sic semper tyranis.