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Perfect 10 seeks preliminary injunction to stop search giant from allegedly displaying copyright images of its models.
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2000 when they started their infamous "Search Inside" feature. A
book I wrote and sold via their early small vendor program was
searchable this way, and there was plenty of bootlegging, and
there still is. I hope the Court recognizes the rights of us poor
copyright holders and asks Google and Amazon to send us back
some of the money we lost when we let them have access to our
material.
Incidentally, Amazon took 45% of the retail price, and made me
pay for shipping.
Francie Schwartz
Author, "BODY COUNT"
(Listed incorrectly as "Body count" by Amazon)
Now I don't disagree that Google isn't violating the DMCA, but in some cases it is the contents holders fault and in some it is Googles. I do know developers who block google (and other search engines) from indexing photos and pages from their sites, so I know it can be done.
As far as the DMCA is concerned, I think most of it is in violation of our rights as consumers and users. However, I'm sure that some of it is benificial to all.
have for years now) on how to explude specific content from
engines that index -everything-. It costs everyone alot less if
these simple instructions are followed, DMCA or no DMCA.
I'd be willing to bet that this publisher knows full well how to
avoid specific image indexing, and is merely using this vehicle to
attract press.
Personally, I think the whole notion is ridiculous. If every single
company followed every single rule that the DMCA has set forth,
and simply blamed someone else for using their data in an
unauthorized fashion when they've taken no measures to
prevent this from happening in the first place, then we'd all be
spending more time in court, and less time being productive
members of our -economy-.
2000 when they started their infamous "Search Inside" feature. A
book I wrote and sold via their early small vendor program was
searchable this way, and there was plenty of bootlegging, and
there still is. I hope the Court recognizes the rights of us poor
copyright holders and asks Google and Amazon to send us back
some of the money we lost when we let them have access to our
material.
Incidentally, Amazon took 45% of the retail price, and made me
pay for shipping.
Francie Schwartz
Author, "BODY COUNT"
(Listed incorrectly as "Body count" by Amazon)
Now I don't disagree that Google isn't violating the DMCA, but in some cases it is the contents holders fault and in some it is Googles. I do know developers who block google (and other search engines) from indexing photos and pages from their sites, so I know it can be done.
As far as the DMCA is concerned, I think most of it is in violation of our rights as consumers and users. However, I'm sure that some of it is benificial to all.
have for years now) on how to explude specific content from
engines that index -everything-. It costs everyone alot less if
these simple instructions are followed, DMCA or no DMCA.
I'd be willing to bet that this publisher knows full well how to
avoid specific image indexing, and is merely using this vehicle to
attract press.
Personally, I think the whole notion is ridiculous. If every single
company followed every single rule that the DMCA has set forth,
and simply blamed someone else for using their data in an
unauthorized fashion when they've taken no measures to
prevent this from happening in the first place, then we'd all be
spending more time in court, and less time being productive
members of our -economy-.
http://www.searchengineworld.com/robots/robots_tutorial.htm
Placing this file on their web server would likely stop Googles indexing bots from collection Perfect 10 pictures. There is also a peace of HTML, called a meta tag that can be add to the top of an HTML page that has the same effect.
http://searchengineworld.com/metatag/robots.htm
The burden of protecting content falls on the copyright holder. Surely Perfect 10 was aware of the fact that search engines use software to automate indexing. Even before image and video searches were widely available, using the above methods is common sense for any web based content publisher to keep search engines from indexing section the authors doesn't want them to.
The 9th Circut Court of Appeals ruled in Les Kelly Publication v. Arriba Soft Corp. that it's was fair use and therefore not an infringement for a search engine to display thumbnails of copyrighted images in its search results.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/8E22982657C96BE188256D5C00518BF5/$file/0055521oop.pdf?openelement
All Google has to do is reverse its thinking. Do not tresspass unless explicit permission is given. What is so hard, or complicated about that?
http://www.searchengineworld.com/robots/robots_tutorial.htm
Placing this file on their web server would likely stop Googles indexing bots from collection Perfect 10 pictures. There is also a peace of HTML, called a meta tag that can be add to the top of an HTML page that has the same effect.
http://searchengineworld.com/metatag/robots.htm
The burden of protecting content falls on the copyright holder. Surely Perfect 10 was aware of the fact that search engines use software to automate indexing. Even before image and video searches were widely available, using the above methods is common sense for any web based content publisher to keep search engines from indexing section the authors doesn't want them to.
The 9th Circut Court of Appeals ruled in Les Kelly Publication v. Arriba Soft Corp. that it's was fair use and therefore not an infringement for a search engine to display thumbnails of copyrighted images in its search results.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/8E22982657C96BE188256D5C00518BF5/$file/0055521oop.pdf?openelement
All Google has to do is reverse its thinking. Do not tresspass unless explicit permission is given. What is so hard, or complicated about that?
The right terminology is "copyrighted images."
Dunno why that bugs me so much, but it does.
The right terminology is "don't know"
The right terminology is "copyrighted images."
Dunno why that bugs me so much, but it does.
The right terminology is "don't know"
Search engines cannot possible screen everything that the spiders pick up, since the idea of an automated crawler is to deal with the sheer volume of pages and images. Most high-tech lawsuits are frivolous and the only ones to win in the end are the lawyers.
I think it's much cheaper to pay good developers then lawyers :)
- lawsuits = new high tech buisness model :(
- by August 26, 2005 6:40 AM PDT
- I think I have to side with Google on this one, if your website contains martial that you want to make $$ on then you must password protect it in a member designated area. If the pages and or files are publicly accessible though a spider searches then I think that data should be deemed public domain.
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- by 201293546946733175101343322673 August 26, 2005 11:47 AM PDT
- Just hire good developers from India. They are MUCH cheaper :)
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(50 Comments)Search engines cannot possible screen everything that the spiders pick up, since the idea of an automated crawler is to deal with the sheer volume of pages and images. Most high-tech lawsuits are frivolous and the only ones to win in the end are the lawyers.
I think it's much cheaper to pay good developers then lawyers :)