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A May deadline is just one flash point in a political showdown between Homeland Security and states that oppose Real ID demands.
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Next thing you know, DHS will suggest planting ID tags under your skin to track you like a house pet. This whole idea smacks of fascist Germany in the 1930's. Our politicians are a bunch of short-sighted, ignorant buffoons!
Remember, the TSA tool isn't the one to yell at at the airport, you want to scream at your congressional representation for going along with this. No, I don't work for the TSA, I just sympathize with them since I'm sure they're yelled at everyday for simply doing their job of enforcing arbitrary rules. That does make them a bunch of tools (if the gov't) though :-)
Have you found a polite one yet that doesn't seem to enjoy the power they have inherited?
Let us hope that one does not get elected. She fits right in with all of my ex wives and Homeland Security....and as they say in Louisiana.............I Doan Believe!
Boycott Flying in May....The Tea Party lives!
sucks.
more reluctant to fly.
If I feel like being treated like a criminal thug, I'll go down to my
local jail and ask for a strip search.
I realize some people will pay to be treated like crap - -not me.
Cameras on building corners will have scanners on them as well to pick up this data.
Everything about you. Health records given at a moments notice and you are not aware of it and not notified
as you do not have a choice in the matter about who scans you.
Of course, this may not be an issue with RealID if they "Actually" removed this requirement. However, anyone that swipes it or has physical access to it will be able to get any of your personal information on it. This would be a one-stop shop for identify fraud.
When do you need an ID for the federal goverment? Shouldn't my passport cover any federal need?
I guess maybe an I-9 form
RealID is supposed to be required to enter a federal building or when traveling (i.e. planes, border checks, etc.).
more convenient for our gov't. That is essentially what the new
passports are designed to do.
Oh, and yes -- it's for your protection. Seems everything is "for our
protection" these days. That's a phrase used when anyone
questions the abuse of our gov't.
Follow the money and you'll understand the real reasons behind RealID - it's not to protect Americans, it's to make a small group of Americans rich, and enable self-serving senators and congressmen to keep their plush jobs.
I have not heard any candidate running for President who has said anything against this "National ID" besides Ron Paul.
This country is going to rot from the inside out if we don't do something about it.
The American People have lost complete control of their government. It has been hijacked and we are just going to sit back and watch it happen.
Go to www.ronpaul2008.com if you even care about this country anymore.
Some nightclubs here use your driver's license not only to verify you are of drinking age, but compile a list of individual names, address, and time of entry by scanning your license.
If you are accused of a crime, it might be the perfect alibi, but if you are cheating, a clever divorce attorney could sopoena these records and show who you were entering with.
As this practice becomes more prevalent, there will soon be a more complete record of your every move.
Of course, you have nothing to hide, rigt?
This has been coming for a while and the warnings have been there all along but nobody listened.
Ron Paul has been telling us its coming and each time he does he gets snickers and laughs from the rest of those cookie cutter people who claim to be "conservative republicans".
This isnt about terrorism. This is about the US Government wanting control of our lives and forcing themselves into it. They have no business doing what they're doing and the sheep of the US are going to sit back and let them do it too.
Its time to fight back and elect someone into the White House who wont even attempt to do this to the American people. Ron Paul.
Is their any doubt that what is happening here is not for our protection, or in our best interest. At best it's misguided attempt, and at worst its an evil conspiracy.
? We make no difference between a foreigner and a local in terms of criminal law, incarcerations and access to lawyers;
? We do have unrestrained Habeas Corpus;
? No surveillance of any kind without court order;
? No incarcerations (and pardons) by Presidential fiat;
? A tax auditor cannot put a hold on your property without a court order;
? At last but not the least: airport screeners are mostly nice people.
Want to see freedom? Go to Holland. Ok, Holland would not be there if it were not for the USA liberating it during WWII. But that was another USA that is no more. This is sad.
They need to know where everyone is and goes at every hour of the day and night in order to prevent revolution. And these banker, they know this.
And none of the so-called front runners, save Ron Paul, have done anything to prevent the Federal Reserve from taking control of our country. They would rather kiss butt and sell their own people down the river than stand up and fight for our freedoms.
The peaceful answer to all this is very simple. It's within the power of all of us to effect. Hit them where it hurts--in the pocketbook. Don't fly, don't pay your credit cards, and watch the economy tank. Then Congress will be forced to show us all where their loyalties truly lie by acting. And then we'll know whether the outcome is going to be bloody or not.
One thing that really bothers me is the fight with the IRS. I'm growing more and more convinced each day that the issue is merely being used as a way to ferret out and prosecute, indeed, jail those individuals who are the staunchest patriots among us.
It's easier and safer to not pay your credit cards. If they garnish your wages, and according to my sources within the banking industry, that's a big IF, just find another job. It costs the banks a lot of money to serve papers on your employer each month to continue the garnishing, and if you quit and find another job, it will cost them even more to find you.
Let's remember who we're really fighting here and exploit the loopholes. If enough of us take one small action in not paying our credit cards, we might just avoid a bloodbath in taking our country back from those bankers who mean to rule.
M.L. Bushman
to say that only criminals and terrorists should be "disappointed"
with the Real ID rules."
Well strap me to a hog and roll me in the mud. According to Mr.
Chertoff I must be either a criminal or a terrorist.
Congress, foaming at the mouth to appear patriotic, created the
Department of Homeland Security a year later.
The true irony is that Republicans (who were in control of the
Congress) seemed to forget their whole small government
platform and created the 3rd largest department in our gov't.
Not that the Democrats have anything to be proud of, not very
many stood against the measures, since any opposition was
characterized as unpatriotic.
However, the Republicans do deserve the brunt of the
responsibility. It was their Congress/President and it was the
exact opposite of everything they stood for in the past. Under
their watch, we have the largest government ever.
March 21, 2001 H.R.1158, to establish the National Homeland Security Agency, introduced by Representative Thornberry., REPUBLICAN
September 21, 2001 S. 1449, to establish the National Office for Combating Terrorism, introduced by Senator Graham. REPUBLICAN
October 10, 2001 H.R. 3078, to establish the National Office for Combating Terrorism, introduced by Representative Hastings. DEMOCRAT
October 11, 2001 S. 1534, to establish the Department of National Homeland
Security, introduced by Senator Lieberman. DEMOCRAT (WHO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SUPPORTED IN HIS RECENT REELECTION BID)
May 2, 2002 S. 2452, to establish the Department of National Homeland Security and the National Office for Combating Terrorism, introduced by Senator Lieberman. SEE PREVIOUS
May 2, 2002 H.R. 4660, to establish the Department of National Homeland Security and the National Office for Combating Terrorism, introduced by Representative Thornberry. REPUBLICAN
May 22, 2002 S. 2452 ordered reported by the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee. REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL OF THE COMMITTEE
June 6, 2002 President Bush announces intention to send Congress legislation for the purpose of establishing a Department of Homeland Security. REPUBLICAN INITIATIVE
June 24, 2002 H.R. 5005, to establish the Department of Homeland Security and for other purposes introduced by Representative Armey (by request). REPUBLICAN
July 24, 2002 H.R. 5005 reported, amended, H.Rept. 107-609, Part I, by Select Committee on Homeland Security. REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE OF COMMITTEE
July 25-26, 2002 H.R. 5005, after consideration and debate, passes the House. REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE OF THE HOUSE
November 19, 2002 Senate passes H.R. 5005, amended, Vote ... 90-9. REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE OF SENATE
November 25, 2002 President Bush signs P.L. 107-296, the Homeland Security Act of 2002. REPUBLICAN SIGNED IT INTO LAW
mark d.
I say Hoorah! for the non-compliant states. Thank God I live in one.
Mix in a little fear mongering and presto! You've got the
makings of a true police state.
Sure, you have no more freedom left -- but don't you feel safer?
That is unless you say something to upset someone in power,
then it's off the Gitmo. Laws and citizens' rights don't get in the
way there.
documentary movie, America: Freedom To Fascism:
http://freedomtofascism.com
The movie is linked up free from the Director on Google video...
As such, we are now witnessing the slow end of democracy, at least as
far as our founding fathers were concerned. They distrusted gov't --
now we know why. They were careful not to put too much power in one
branch, now we know why.
No -- instead, we'll have a police state. We may hold elections (just like
Iraqis did under Saddam) where the outcome is already decided (hmm,
Saddam got 100% of the vote in Iraq). It will all be a sham to make us
feel like we "are free".
Our rights are evaporating faster than a puddle on a hot summer's day in
Arizona.
All of it is being done in the name of freedom and security. All the "other
democracies" that could help us are instead taking our lead.
I feel a great sadness as we, the people, have so readily given up our
freedoms for the false security promised to us by men who were waiting
in the wings with their plans, waiting for just the right moment and
conditions to spring their plans on our country.
We have failed to heed the warnings that history. I feel ashamed.
First of all, this country is not a democracy. Never was, never will be. We ARE a democratic REPUBLIC and there is a vast difference there. If you don't know what those differences are might I suggest you get yourself to the nearest library.
Second, you show me an instance where any American President received more than....65% of the popular vote and maybe your whining will mean something.
Next, tell me a single right that you have lost. Tell me one. You can still vote. You can still protest and seek redress of perceived wrongs. You are still allowed to post utter nonsense such as this. All this without the threat of government reprise.
Just to be clear, air travel is not a right. Hell, travel is not even a right. I don't know of any legal language within the Constitution which states that people are allowed to travel freely between states without requiring some sort of documentation. If I am wrong there then please let me know. Assuming that I am right do not take the fact that there was never a roadblock to traveling across state lines without being required to provide documentation as a right.
You, like the vast majority of the loons, seem to have this amazing talent for creating rights where none existed previously.
That said I do agree that the Real ID system is a joke. We already have a national ID card in place. That would be the Social Security cards we all have and they are worthless. We were never supposed to give them out and now we have to give out those numbers as well as our birthday numbers just to open a bank account.
What truly makes no sense is that as of May-08 I, and many like me, will suddenly become "persona non-grata" simply because my state would have decided to not participate when in fact the people who simply cannot wait for May-08 are the terrorists who have proper ID's.
Literally, this is building the castle wall around the enemy camp.
One of the stupidest, and most costly, errors in judgment to date.
Even if it was announced in 05, DHS just released the regs--300 pages no less---, so how would the States know what to comply with without the regs?
Think it's bad from the passengers side? You ought to see it from the airport's side. Each little dictator from TSA at each airport gets to decide for him/herself what regulations (not talking Real ID now) mean and what the airport has to do to comply. We have TSA creep--they are taking more and more terminal square footage without paying for it, the passengers pay for it through PFC's.
Getting a passport is not the answer---they'll find some way to make it unallowable except to cross the border.
Thank god my life is coming to an end---I fear we are headed for National meltdown, the Constitution can go to hell, the Feds will take over everything and issue jack boots to the civil servants. I never thought I'd live to see a federal agency as frieghtening as DHS, it ain't gonna get better, pardners.
--mark d., CMSgt, USAF, Retired
Even sons and daughters of parents who were Holocaust survivors are on the terror watch list.
This is not right!
This is security RUN AMOK!
My version of security would put USA in a defensive stance and become the country the world loves once again.
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is a waste of taxpayers money and as you say, it infringes on our
dwindling rights as citizens. I am fed up with this so-called war
on terrorism. The more I dissect 9/11, the more it looks like an
inside job, and I am not kidding. The Bush government is the
real "Axis Of Evil". This fear factor perpetrated on the people is
working on the idiots who will not or cannot think for
themselves and believe every lie the media lays on them. They
killed Kennedy and got away with it....we need to get "mad". I
know I am!
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- I asked my Dad, a longtime NRA member, what it would take for him to fight against a tyranical government. His answer was basically that he would not. Too many gun-toters are not even aware that 'the right to bear arms' has nothing to do with hunting or personal protection, and has everything to do with opposing an oppressive government.
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