Comments on: Pro-piracy politician proffers his worldview

Swedish parliamentary hopeful and copyright critic sails into the U.S. to raise funds and awareness.

[riggarob]

Pirates

I agree w/ most that he has to say, especially about the 5 year copyright. I believe it is now 90 years. OUCH !!!

[cocos2000]

silly way to present what they want

This party is not like suggested here "lets copy movies", in this article shown as couple silly people who want to copy music and movies for free. It is not what it is. They want to fight for something government trying to take away from us - anonymity of the Internet, freedom of the Internet, privacy. Already blocking access to some websites, changing law the way lobbysts want...

[JIMBOB6]

not going to work in the us

Unfortunately this will never fly in the US. Capitalist governments operate on money. There's no money on good ideas or promoting freedom. Who's going to pay the lobbyists to support this movement. I can tell you who's going to pay them not to support it.

[crazynexus]

Not to mention

The Pirate Party would be labeled terrorists!!

[novelator]

Speaking as an author

I wonder how long the pirates would have anything to pirate if copyright laws were done away with, especially here in the US. We writers like to eat, same as movie and music producers, sound technicians, editors, even garage bands who would rather spend their days making music versus being enslaved to a nine-to-five job. How long do you think you're going to have movies and music, books, if pirates are allowed free rein. I mean, think about it, who's going to spend thirty or forty million dollars just to entertain you for free?

Or do you believe those who generate the content you wish to pirate don't deserve to be paid for their efforts? Who will determine what you get to pirate for free? Right now, the market place is in the process of opening up, the indie bands, the indie presses, even the indie film makers are slipping out from under the thumbs of those companies who want to control what you read, think, watch, and enjoy. Do you really wish to end all that by dismissing copyright protections, by cutting off their incomes? What will you be left with? Your thinking is so very short-sighted as to render you blind to the dull and lifeless future you would create.

M.L. Bushman

[The_Decider]

Copyright is in dire need of reform

To do away with copyright in the US would require an amendment to the constitution. That will not happen.

Yes, copyright is very important, but it has been perverted to serve the likes of Disney, not the public interest.

Copyright(and patents) are supposed to last for a limited time, and then the works go into the public domain. This is the intent of the writers of the constitution.

Copyright is effectively permanent now. A while, at the behest of Disney, who is so hapless they have to rely exclusively on ideas born in the 1920's, congress added another 20 years to the copyright. The bill was challenged in court but the court said that since they extended it only 20 years, then it fulfills the limited time requirement.

The problem is that congress now has a blank check to extend it every 20 years, so copyright is effectively forever.

This needs to be changed. Now nothing new that is copyright will ever be added to the public domain. Our founding fathers were wise enough to realize that a country needs a strong and vibrant public domain to grow, we no longer have that. This is one of the many decisions are government has made in the name of greed that will eventually do us great harm.

[Fat Drunk and Stupid]

Speaking As A Reader

So you write books and don't know how authors could possibly make money if you could get books for free?

I guess we have no choice but to burn all of the public libraries to the ground. Those Pirates... thieves, are making it impossible for authors to earn a living by sharing copies of books for free!

Musicians certainly can't earn a living by performing their music at a concert. Lord knows nobody who already owns music would pay to see a live performance.

And lets not forget movie theaters. VCRs and DVDs had made movie theaters obsolete... now the Internet will make theaters even more obsolete!

Oh, and it is totally and completely impossible to obtain music, movies and books online right now. The only reason the arts have survived this long is because of the United States brilliant intellectual property laws.

Brainwashed is as brainwashed does.

[kfogel]

Re: Speaking as an author

Most writers do not make most of their from copyright royalties. They make it from commissions, when they make any money at all. The Stephen Kings of the world are the exception, not the rule -- think of them as lottery winners.

In fact, artists in general make very little money from copyright; it's just not a major economic factor in their lives. Which is what one would expect from a system that was designed by the publishing industry, for the publishing industry, based on an older censorship law, back in the days when printing presses (as opposed to computer networks) were the only way to distribute information.

For more details about what copyright was designed to do, and why the "artists have to eat" argument doesn't support modern copyright restrictions, see http://www.QuestionCopyright.org/ (full disclosure: I'm editor there, and that's the organization that brought Rick Falkvinge on his U.S. tour).

By the way: I'm an author too, of two books. Both were published under free licenses that allow copying (commercial and non-commercial) and allow derivative works. I'm not starving.

This link leads to a capsule rebuttal of the "hard work deserves a reward" argument:

http://www.questioncopyright.org/teaching_music_under_copyright#comment-2485

Best,
-Karl Fogel

[cocos2000]

of course better 40M / month than being enslaved 9 to 5

"who would rather spend their days making music versus being enslaved to a nine-to-five job"

just like me! I would rather be in Harry Potter movie for $40 millions, than being enslaved to my 9-5 job! Good Thinking!

[Below Meigh]

Exactly!

Nothing is free. The illusion that you can take someone's time and sweat for nothing is, so say the least, is what many teens have. With stealing music, they justify that they are liberating others from the monopoly called RIAA. When in fact, they should be defining the corruption at the bottom.
Piracy is theft. Punishment deserved. You are not welcome here.

[Phillep_H]

Nope

Authors typically get a few pennies for each book sold, if they are lucky because the publishing houses are free to use "creative" book keeping to prove they owe the author nothing.

Same for entertainers. Pennies for each CD sold. At best. The CD's make good advertising for the concerts, or would if they sold for less.

If you are a published author, and I have my doubts, you would be aware of this, and would have to be a liar to write what you did.

[GrandpaN1947]

Not just about copyrights

I think this formation of a political party is just the tip of the iceberg. People are so upset with copyright, immigration, Iraq, outsourcing, health care etc., they are forming and supporting any party but the political parties that gave them their problems (Republican and Democrat here in the states).

It's time to vote against the traitors!

[cocos2000]

biased article

This is not what Pirate Party is fighting for. This is just a little part. They are about freedom of speech, freedom and anonymity on the Internet, streighten right to privacy, reform laws. It is not just - lets copy movies yada yada.

[ralfthedog]

Copyright laws will not work for long.

The law is not a detriment to file sharing. It only takes one country that allows the hosting of file sharing networks to bring down the system.

The solution is for publishers to provide a better product than those downloaded. I do not P2P files, because I do not like having my network infected by viruses, I don't think you can get the same quality by downloading that you can get from a blue-ray disk, and I want the people who create works to get paid.

Restrictive DRM only degrades the value of products, thus making people more likely to pirate. Good will is the best preventative against bad behavior.

[mike-allen]

Il go with you on that

DRM is a problem with music if you buy a CD it may if you are lucky play in your car It may play in your player you cant back it up on your computer. you cant put it on your portable MP3 player the only way is to buy more copies of the same thing that is what is wrong with our currant copyright laws on both sides of the Atlantic.

[disco-legend-zeke]

The movie companies would not release DVDs without DRM.

With bandwidth becoming an insignificant part of the price of content, the best model is to make the bits widely available, and sell performance "tickets" allowing the marketplace to determine a price.

We already know a song is 99 cents. Viewing a movie is sometimes twice that. Or maybe free with banner ads around it. Maybe $10 buys you a dolby album with 10 songs on it, and another 1000 you can open for a quarter?

Separating the bits from the views will drive the price lower, when you count viruses and spyware, file sharing is certainly not the least cost venue for entertainment

[g8crapachino]

Industries would die if Piracy were allowed.

If I was a Software Developer, Movie Director, or a Music Artist I would quit the industry if I knew that all my hard work could then be given away for nothing.

I challenge this politian and anyone who agrees with him to go into work and tell their boses that they are willing to work but not get paid for it. See how long they actually keep working...

[Sam Papelbon]

and no one would care

because right now there are thousands of people out there with the technology and willingness to code software, create films, and write music FOR FREE.

these are arts, arts are hobbies, they are things people do for their own enjoyment and for the joy of sharing with others.

how much freeware do you use on your computer? a lot, i'll bet. and it's not junk code, either. they are quality programs created and distributed by people with a passion for what they do instead of greed.

look at the film industry. they spend millions upon millions on their blockbuster films which are nothing more than half-ass sequels and remakes with zero originality apart from the fact that there was likely no greed-smothered product placement in the originals.

music industry? god, just turn on the radio for a minute and you'll see where that's gone.

killing the industry will not kill the art. it will revive it.

[mike-allen]

yes but

If someone goes to work in a factory or where ever they get paid for the time they work. they cant go back 5 10 or 20 years later and get paid over and over again for the same work,Neither should any one else.

[mike-allen]

one more thing

Why is it that artists are in support of music and film companies who tie them down with contracts that allow the company to keep their share of the copyright money. Answer someone please

[limefan913]

Free Software Foundation/Copyleft - end of story

This is the type of thing that the Pirate Party supports. Human knowledge should belong to the people. Yes, people have to make money off of it, and so the patent system is important, as is a short period of copyright, but with individuals not owning the rights to their creations, it doesn't help the artist, and boils it down to utter crap.

Richard Stallman, we all love you ;)

Oh, and btw, I'm a musician, and trust me, no money is made from record sales unless you're one of the 0.005% of musicians who go multi-platinum, and you STILL don't make much money in relation to music sales.

[disco-legend-zeke]

FCC is stealing the air, a you worry about songs?

Unless Al gore or another populist candidate takes up the issue, early next year, 60 MHz of prime airwaves, THE PROPERTY OF THE PEOPLE, will be sold to americas communication companies, who will then rent it back to you for $60 a month.

Because of advances in wireless technology, transmission capacty in UHF and beyond becomes unlimited. Granting exclusive rights to a single entity is as wasteful as using bottled water to irrigate a Las Vegas Lawn.

Because modern radios can beam several packets simultaneously, each time a router is added to the network the bandwidth increases.

Instead of 100 ugly (or disguised as a pine tree)million-dollar cell towers, the network can be built of a million $149.95 radios.

Sure the treasury (whoever that is) misses out on 15 billion in auction money (thats the estimate) but thats peanuts compared to the OPEN PUBLIC ACCESS model which saves every town and county millions in public safety communications buildout costs.

The new Gigabit Network will not be free; it will be user owned. It will also be self healing and self forming. Routing will be simply pointing packets at the GPS address of the recipient, or away from the GPS address of the broadcaster. From a homeland security standpoint, the first responder network has no backbone to attack.

GOOGLE seems to get this. Although their request for 30 MHz of this spectrum to be set aside for open access was trimmed to 10, if these bands do NOT become public, let us all hope that google will bid and win the entire spectrum.

Lets not sell the town resirvoir to a bottled water company. Nobody loses with public access.

[inachu]

Some guy named jimmy

We yell at Piracy but yet Jimmy chooonganoomba form some thirdworld country who in his grass tent with a computer steals software and with that stolen software learns how to write code and edit photoshop pictures. He steals all the latest and greatest network training guides.

He then gets certified using stolen information and pirated operating systems. he then makes more money to save up to come to USA and gets a job while an honest low wage earner buys the stuff though ligit channels and will take years to study for his Microsoft certifications.

So your USA citizen lost and pirates win.

[The_Decider]

Thanks for the laugh

I was in need of a good chuckle.


"... will take years to study for his Microsoft certifications"

Good one

[zanzzz]

Copyright Out Of Whack

Originally copyright was for a period of 14 years in this country. Thanks to Disney (and a handful of others in the content cartel) they have effectively bribed Congress to extend it to the life of the author plus 90 years! The Supreme Court ruled it stunk but was marginally Constitutional because copyright was still "limited". I think the founding fathers had it about right. The rampant rise of Corporatism has put thing out of balance between individual and public interests.
One more thing that some may feel is splitting hairs but none the less is accurate- sharing music, movies, etc. is not "stealing"! It may be copyright infringement but nothing is stolen, the original owners still have their works.