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China may have the edge right now, but CNET News.com's Charles Cooper says India could be this century's up and coming superpower.
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paid better in US. I think most immigrants would go home if they
are paid the same amount back in their country.
paid better in US. I think most immigrants would go home if they
are paid the same amount back in their country.
Yes no inbreed in China so they full of high IQs
LOL!
India has OVER 40,000 castes and genetic pools caused by a form of racism, as well as highly inter-mixed races. So the IQ variation is HUGE - the Chinese are largely Han people (>90%), so their variation is tiny.
Bottom line? A one-on-one comparison is impossible here due to the said reason.
As an example: there are over 450,000 engineering students expected from Indian in circa 2010, indicating a mean IQ of 110+ from that bunch owing to the level of math & science required.
<<The only castes that are competitive compared to the west are the upper caste s.>>
That is FALSE, the gene pool is much vaster and more complex....no 4 castes, etc. I have seen ample proof of that.
Dr. Ambedkar (who helped create our constitution) was a lower caste person, but had a degree from Columbia University in Law (indicating an IQ of over 110) as proof.
<<Those upper castes Indians normally emigrate here via H1. >>
Many thousands return (it is common for engineers with 12 years of experience in UK to be in Bangalore working for an Indian firm...)
Moreover, the total number of students in the USA is in the 70,000-90,000 range, and in other countries (UK, Germany, Russia, etc) there are much smaller numbers - usually not more than 10,000 people. India has over 1.1 billion, so actually a SMALL PERCENTAGE of students come here (~ 450,000 students in engineering alone are predicted by 2010 from Indian colleges, and we leave out other branches).
<<Fortunately, they always abandon India for better bucks here. >>
Prove it! Thousands return to India, it is common to find an engineer back in India after 12 years in UK. And many do not go abroad for economic reasons...which can include a good pay packet at home.
Here's an estimate: ~450,000 engineering students are expected from Indian colleges by 2010.
The Indian business community, also, is roughly as sharp and capable as the Jewish community, you have to see them to know how they work!
<<As a result, India is full of low IQs, essentially hopeless to get out of 3rd world country status forever! >>
Then why is the WEST investing heavily in R&D in engineering, biotech, and software? Want some stats:
Microsoft aiming to have 7,000 employees in India (current level is 4,000 folk).
SAP has 4,000 employees in India.
GE has 4,000 employees in India.
Ford Foundation does high-tech research here in Bangalore.
SNECMA wanted to set up a company here for engineering R&D (a few hundred employees).
ALSO..... most of Infosys's 77,000 work force is Indian (mostly India-based engineers, etc). This company is already provide technology services competing with high-end Western players like Accenture, etc.
Tata Consultancy Services has 72,000 employees, and plans on adding 30,000 more. Guess from where? India, they are based largely in that country. And this is a heavy player in software.
TO WIT:
- India exports over $17 BILLION of software. All this requires good math skills and logical expertise.
- India has designed a teraflop supercomputer (called PARAM). In Asia, only India, Japan and China have done this AFAIK.
- Indian space rockets are state-of-the-art...so are the simulations for space travel. All made in India by ISRO, etc.
- India is planning a space mission to the MOON via an Indian (ISRO) developed rocket. How many countries have done that? All India-developed expect for things like chips and few parts.
- There are over 450,000 engineering graduates from Indian colleges expected by 2010, indicating a mean IQ of 110+.
AS CAN BE SAID: THERE ARE THE STATISTICS, AND THERE IS THE TRUTH.
.....The mean intelligence quotient of the high risk group was 95.21 ± 6.2 and that of the control group was 101.38 ± 10.2 (p<0.05).
.....from that recorded among 50 noninbred controls of similar age and socioeconomic status (99.6 + or - 2.0).
AS CAN BE SEEN the range is 99-101 for children, etc. This also supports some data in UK showing a mean IQ of 97 for Indians.
These are NOT high-caste kids, many are from middle class or poor Muslims, who number in the millions. (The second study was for that...).
In 2010, there are estimates of 450,000 students graduating in engineering in India. Given the level of math and science, that implies an IQ closer to 110 at least.
Just see the prodigious growth and hiring at Infosys and Tata Consulting. Infosys has over 77,000 employees (mostly in India) and was planning to hire something like 24,000 people. TCS has ~ 72,000 employees and was planning on hiring 30,000 more. These are advanced software development companies that are "world class" players. They are hiring mostly in India.
You need to ask Microsoft why they were interested in hiring 3,000 more software engineers (up from 4,000) -- in India. Or why SAP has 4,000 employees. These are world-class software developers choosing to set up R&D in India.
Additionally, Indians (in India) are being hired by many Western companies and organizations ranging from GE to the Ford Foundation for research in engineering, biotech, etc.
A LARGE number of Indians are now also doing back office work in legal spheres in India for American companies.
Yes no inbreed in China so they full of high IQs
LOL!
India has OVER 40,000 castes and genetic pools caused by a form of racism, as well as highly inter-mixed races. So the IQ variation is HUGE - the Chinese are largely Han people (>90%), so their variation is tiny.
Bottom line? A one-on-one comparison is impossible here due to the said reason.
As an example: there are over 450,000 engineering students expected from Indian in circa 2010, indicating a mean IQ of 110+ from that bunch owing to the level of math & science required.
<<The only castes that are competitive compared to the west are the upper caste s.>>
That is FALSE, the gene pool is much vaster and more complex....no 4 castes, etc. I have seen ample proof of that.
Dr. Ambedkar (who helped create our constitution) was a lower caste person, but had a degree from Columbia University in Law (indicating an IQ of over 110) as proof.
<<Those upper castes Indians normally emigrate here via H1. >>
Many thousands return (it is common for engineers with 12 years of experience in UK to be in Bangalore working for an Indian firm...)
Moreover, the total number of students in the USA is in the 70,000-90,000 range, and in other countries (UK, Germany, Russia, etc) there are much smaller numbers - usually not more than 10,000 people. India has over 1.1 billion, so actually a SMALL PERCENTAGE of students come here (~ 450,000 students in engineering alone are predicted by 2010 from Indian colleges, and we leave out other branches).
<<Fortunately, they always abandon India for better bucks here. >>
Prove it! Thousands return to India, it is common to find an engineer back in India after 12 years in UK. And many do not go abroad for economic reasons...which can include a good pay packet at home.
Here's an estimate: ~450,000 engineering students are expected from Indian colleges by 2010.
The Indian business community, also, is roughly as sharp and capable as the Jewish community, you have to see them to know how they work!
<<As a result, India is full of low IQs, essentially hopeless to get out of 3rd world country status forever! >>
Then why is the WEST investing heavily in R&D in engineering, biotech, and software? Want some stats:
Microsoft aiming to have 7,000 employees in India (current level is 4,000 folk).
SAP has 4,000 employees in India.
GE has 4,000 employees in India.
Ford Foundation does high-tech research here in Bangalore.
SNECMA wanted to set up a company here for engineering R&D (a few hundred employees).
ALSO..... most of Infosys's 77,000 work force is Indian (mostly India-based engineers, etc). This company is already provide technology services competing with high-end Western players like Accenture, etc.
Tata Consultancy Services has 72,000 employees, and plans on adding 30,000 more. Guess from where? India, they are based largely in that country. And this is a heavy player in software.
TO WIT:
- India exports over $17 BILLION of software. All this requires good math skills and logical expertise.
- India has designed a teraflop supercomputer (called PARAM). In Asia, only India, Japan and China have done this AFAIK.
- Indian space rockets are state-of-the-art...so are the simulations for space travel. All made in India by ISRO, etc.
- India is planning a space mission to the MOON via an Indian (ISRO) developed rocket. How many countries have done that? All India-developed expect for things like chips and few parts.
- There are over 450,000 engineering graduates from Indian colleges expected by 2010, indicating a mean IQ of 110+.
AS CAN BE SAID: THERE ARE THE STATISTICS, AND THERE IS THE TRUTH.
.....The mean intelligence quotient of the high risk group was 95.21 ± 6.2 and that of the control group was 101.38 ± 10.2 (p<0.05).
.....from that recorded among 50 noninbred controls of similar age and socioeconomic status (99.6 + or - 2.0).
AS CAN BE SEEN the range is 99-101 for children, etc. This also supports some data in UK showing a mean IQ of 97 for Indians.
These are NOT high-caste kids, many are from middle class or poor Muslims, who number in the millions. (The second study was for that...).
In 2010, there are estimates of 450,000 students graduating in engineering in India. Given the level of math and science, that implies an IQ closer to 110 at least.
Just see the prodigious growth and hiring at Infosys and Tata Consulting. Infosys has over 77,000 employees (mostly in India) and was planning to hire something like 24,000 people. TCS has ~ 72,000 employees and was planning on hiring 30,000 more. These are advanced software development companies that are "world class" players. They are hiring mostly in India.
You need to ask Microsoft why they were interested in hiring 3,000 more software engineers (up from 4,000) -- in India. Or why SAP has 4,000 employees. These are world-class software developers choosing to set up R&D in India.
Additionally, Indians (in India) are being hired by many Western companies and organizations ranging from GE to the Ford Foundation for research in engineering, biotech, etc.
A LARGE number of Indians are now also doing back office work in legal spheres in India for American companies.
paid better in US. I think most immigrants would go home if they
are paid the same amount back in their country.
paid better in US. I think most immigrants would go home if they
are paid the same amount back in their country.
You are the 1st human being in 21st century to talk **** about future of India....
For your more information dont just depend on wiki....But yea from microsoft to intel,,,hp to ibm,,,damn every organisation is planning or already start there work there...
You are the 1st human being in 21st century to talk **** about future of India....
For your more information dont just depend on wiki....But yea from microsoft to intel,,,hp to ibm,,,damn every organisation is planning or already start there work there...
India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history.
India was the richest country on Earth until the time of the British in the early 17th Century
Robert Clive?s personal wealth amassed from the blunder of Bengal during 1750?s was estimated at around £401,102
It has been estimated that the total amount of treasure that the British looted from India had already reached £1,000,000,000 (£1Billion) by 1901.
Taking into consideration interest rates and inflation this would be worth close to $1,000,000,000,000 ($1Trillion) in real-terms today.
India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history.
India was the richest country on Earth until the time of the British in the early 17th Century
Robert Clive?s personal wealth amassed from the blunder of Bengal during 1750?s was estimated at around £401,102
It has been estimated that the total amount of treasure that the British looted from India had already reached £1,000,000,000 (£1Billion) by 1901.
Taking into consideration interest rates and inflation this would be worth close to $1,000,000,000,000 ($1Trillion) in real-terms today.
But the realization is finally sinking in the US Corporatons that giving in to Chinese BLACKMAIL does not really pay in the long run. US Companies will rebuild the Technology / Manufacturing Leadership they had given away to China by doing low - cost R&D in smart but HONEST & DEMOCRATIC India.
Then China will have no market left but the pariah Dictatorships in Africa that it really is in tune with !!
- China had an unfair lead over India
- by DG69 March 30, 2007 10:00 AM PDT
- Since the early '80s it was given a free pass to steal US technology. To get China to BETRAY its erstwhile benefactor the USSR and join the US side against the USSR, politicians like Henry Kissinger had convinced everyone here to open the doors of US academia and even defense industries for China. Deng Shao Peng merely took advantage of it. All the high - minded talk about turning China away from its in - grained totalitarianism ( called Communism during the Mao period ) was just so - much eye - wash concocted by PR agents operating within the academia. But it did n't just ened there. Co - religionists of Kissinger who dominated Merchandizing,Banks and Wall St. decided they wanted to make quick billions by accessing the regimented ;abor available in China. As a quid pro quo the Chinese wanted US industrial technology. The Shylocks of Wall St then forced US industries ( who they control after all ) to give their know - how away to China. How do you suppose the Chinese learned to build a Car ( GM begat Cherry ) or semiconuctors ( SemaTech in Austin TX should be renamed into We're Meathead Texans who give US technology away to China ! ).
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Showing 4 of 5 pages (185 Comments)But the realization is finally sinking in the US Corporatons that giving in to Chinese BLACKMAIL does not really pay in the long run. US Companies will rebuild the Technology / Manufacturing Leadership they had given away to China by doing low - cost R&D in smart but HONEST & DEMOCRATIC India.
Then China will have no market left but the pariah Dictatorships in Africa that it really is in tune with !!