Comments on: Justice Department takes aim at image-sharing sites

Feds try during a private meeting to convince sites that allow photos or videos to be uploaded to monitor users, News.com has learned.

[canadianregistration]

Just have a look at brasschecktv.com to understand why...

He's only keeping tabs on what will bite them sonner or later..

what do i mean? see for yourself~
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/50.html

let me know what you all think now...
there will be lots more of these as time caves in on the self made super power.
>>>And to think we really know what's going on ...

[Seeker of Truth]

There is only one Truth

I have a very open mind to all thoughts,opinions and 'facts'. Help me help you.

[Seeker of Truth]

The U.S. Government -One party system.

Dear All,
The U.S. was in a tailspin. We had just gotten through an eighty million dollar Failed Impeachment of President Clinton. The Republican controlled Senate voted to not accept the Congress's battle to impeach. The very competant V.P. Al Gore would then be the encumbant President. The Republican Party was so close to ruling all three branches of the American government they could taste it. They couldn't take the chance to have an encumbant president keep the excutive branch in Democratic hands.
As you know Al Gore did recieve the peoples popular vote majority. Bush and the powerful Republican party actually called the Federal Supreme Court out of their 3 month recess to stop the Florida State ballot count. Five to four vote. The five Republican appointed Justices just scrapped our Constition.
Next thing you know the media talking heads claimed we were the only 'superpower' it is our duty to police the world. The Country was divided in half. There had been some chatter that it would take a 'Pearl Harbor event' to unite the country.
It gets better. Canada was complicite and had foreknowledge of the 911 event. An American Navy Intelligence agent was returning from Russia with a sealed attache'. When the other drop off agent never showed the Navy courier got worried and opened the classified documents. The KGB was notifying the CIA they had gotten intelligence that the U.S. was going to possibly be attacked in September. The Navy courier thought this information was of extreme important nature. On his return to the U.S through Canada he made arrangements with Canadian Intelligence to help expedite the flow of the classified information.
He presented his documents,passport with his undercover name. He had found out his drop off had been found dead. He was very stressed and had not been told he was on a CIA job. The Canadian authorities felt he should be restrained and held until they clear his story with the American Navy Intelligence. He had been held in Canadian control for several days before the original agents returned. They told him the Navy denied any knowledge of him. Being desperate he gave up his full legal name and ID numbers as proof. A few days pass. he is again notified that the Navy has no record of such a person and to hold him as a posible spy. The date now is first week of September. 911 occurs. He now gets informed the F.B.I wants him extradited to the U.S. immediately. He is now in fear of his life if returned to the U.S. A Canadian Judge granted him a temporary stay to obtain legal council. The last I heard the court refused to extradite him until the case proceedings were completed.
By the way 'Superpower', the U.S. is now over 9 trillion dollars in debt because of Bush and the Republican party. In comparison to size of the country and nukes, The #1 Superpower is Isreal.
Just the Facts.

[RA_REBORN]

THE WHY IS IN MONEY...

It isn't about child porn or terrorists as much as it is about opening the door for control. Once there is control over everything we look at the government empowers itself and the corporations. The government has given so much away to big business that now they work for big business. Watch, this will all cycle back around regardless of which party is in the White House. They think they are in a symbiotic fight with big business against the fodder sheep call "us", when really they are being pimped out by money. Why else do you think all of this genome mapping of humans and animals is getting huge resources from companies like Pfizer? It is because ever since the first organism patenting with the bacteria that broke down the oil from the Exxon Valdez spill, patenting has been widespread by companies on organisms. They own the genome they own all the related drug dealing such as we see in commercials each day from acronyms for bS like RLS (Restless Legs Syndrome). WHY DO YOU THINK FDA DECREED RECENTLY THAT CLONING OF ANIMALS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DISCLOSED TO CONSUMERS? CLONE THE ANIMAL - PATENT THE ANIMAL AND SOON THE ORGANIC INDUSTRY SHRINKS!

[freemarket--2008]

So Do Something About It...

Leave the Dem and Rep parties to rot. Register as an Independent or Libertarian and vote as you please. Send them a message...

[RA_REBORN]

TWO PARTY SYSTEM

A vote for the parties other than the Democrats or the Republicans is wasted - like voting for the Tin Man. Look how much money it costs now to even be a player. It is disgusting. Give me a real, viable Independent candidate and I will vote for them in a second. I voted for Perot before he turned into a wishy, washy little man.

[fleveneur]

US becoming KGB

Been in US for 13 years. Since Bush admin, this country has changed. All this wiretapping and monitoring are excuses to have a better control over people. (The FBI knew the terrorists were in USA, and other countries were telling US about it, but nothing was done). US even have this huge telephony center where all US calls are registered and yet they had to use wire tap after the event. How many major terrorists attacks have been prevented?
They could not even catch a guy with a bomb in his shoe before he boarded the plane.

I believe the best intelligence is done thru infiltration in the group and this take years.

Anyway, i feel that the US has become like the KGB watching people and the one that bother them are flagged (and probably threatened).

[NoVista]

Voting will make a difference?

Remember, we're in this mess now because of ONE vote in the 2000 election.

2004 was no improvement but revealed more fraud.

And 2006 was going to restore 'checks and balances' yet nothing really changed. The will of the people only installed toothless tigers.

And who can remember the 1968 election for instance, and the numbers of dead people voting multiple times ...

But the change it is a'coming, oh yeah. Wait for 2008 and expect the Bush signings on HR5122 to be implemented.

[jd1023948]

These sites are the technically challenged

Anybody with half a brain will simply build their own site and bypass all the restrictions and embedded advertising and other crap that come with MySpace, Flickr, Yahoo, etc.

[digitalbrian]

A Sad Day in History

My big thing about the Internet was always that you could communicate across borders and talk freely on any subject, now big brother is literately going to watch over our shoulders and keep records of everything we do, even when we are drunk and look up Bin Laden jokes online it might come back and haunt us years later.

Next step is that you will need a special passport to go to sites that resides outside your own country domains and that ladies and gentleman is how the world killed the Internet.

Frankly I am disgusted that any Government would use the threat of terror to spy on its own people.

[Walt Connery]

What an idiotic article....:/

The hyperbole and propaganda contained in this article is nothing short of astounding. Every key issue mentioned here is taken completely out of context, and every position is attributed vicariously to such shadow fall guys as "the Bush administration" and "Republicans." As if there were no Democrats in office in the government today and as if every single Federal government employee in existence today was personally appointed to his position by George Bush--when everybody knows that most people in government service today are career bureaucrats and stay right where they are no matter who is in the White House at any given time.

Further, the article attempts to denigrate serious topics like "terrorism" and "child pornography" to the status of fairy tales and falsehoods designed expressly for the purpose of presumably allowing George Bush to get his rocks off listening to people's phone calls and investigating what Internet sites people like to visit. As if George Bush had the time *or* the interest in doing so. What a moronic presumption that is. I think that if they were alive today even the Three Stooges would know better than this.

The further assumption the article promotes is that Democrats simply don't care about "terrorism" and "child pornography" because Democrats are too smart to believe that such things actually take place in the world, apparently.

The article makes colossal loonies out of both its author *and* the Democratic party in the US, on top of advancing the premise that the only thing Republicans in government want to do is to spy on people because they, too, do not believe that things like "terrorism" and "child pornography" actually exist. Unbelievable. It's insulting to read such garbage, frankly. The author is calling "Republicans" nothing but spies, and by leaving "Democrats" completely out of things he's calling Democrats morons and imbeciles incapable of governing.

What seems to be utterly true beyond dispute as this article proves, I think, is that *some Democrats* really and truly do not believe that "terrorism" or "child pornography" are real-world behaviors that *anybody* manifests. Everything the government tries to do to stop these horrible human behaviors is skewed and misrepresented by the author to the extent that it is obvious that he would very much like to convince his readers that such topics are pure fantasy undeserving of serious attention and action on the part of the very government whose Constitutional mandate is to protect its citizens from exactly such things.

I wonder--will the author pounce upon the actions Democrats take in the upcoming years to prevent such things from happening? I seriously, seriously doubt it. The fact is that just as many Democrats are fighting terrorism and child abuse as are Republicans, and that if anything the efforts to curtail these behaviors is completely and utterly bi-partisan. You'd literally have to be a blind, deaf, and dumb idiot not to know that this is true, in my opinion.

The author should hang his head in shame.

[PzkwVIb]

You totally miss the point

The government is clearly violating the Fourth Amendment with these demands. We are not and should never be a police state where surveillance is the rule and freedom the exception. The government already has the right, under current law, to ask ISPs to track targeted individuals with a warrant. They do not have the right to blanket surveillance. That is totally unconstitutional, regardless of whether they claim they are just protecting children or fighting terrorism. Our freedoms are worth more than a little temporary, and in my opinion, largely illusory security.

[Thrust Vectoring]

this might be an unpopular opinion

but I really think that the pursuit of child pornography is overblown in the United States. When a man in his 50s with no prior criminal record gets 200 years in prison for the victimless crime of possessing some CP images, while people who commit rape and violent crime receive much less, something is wrong.

Different topic - one of the most concern-inducing side effects of this proposed legislation is the increased cost in hosting user-generated content. Private entities that host image boards will have to face astronomical costs relative to what they have now.

Another part is the ambiguity of the rule - do websites have to keep track of who posts images that are no longer on the website? And if the website has to keep track of who posted the image as well as the image itself, the site can be forced to store information on its server that it disagrees with. Quick example: if someone uploads pornography to GodTube, under would GodTube be required by law to keep the porno on its servers as well as information as to who uploaded it?

[Michael Grogan]

Oh really?

You're a fascist, by every definition of the word. Come on, now, admit it..didn't that feel good? Now you know who you really are : )

[jailerjay]

Image retention...

The obvious deterrent for this level of nonsense is for everyone to upload every single graphic on their drive - every baby,wedding/reunion,puppy/kitten/gerbil shot they have, plus random faxes, product registrations, etc. Let the numbskulls sort though THAT number of bytes! When are the multitudes of informed citizenry going to take to the "streets" and denounce this social engineering? Are we not men?! (props to Devo)

[Thrust Vectoring]

won't exactly work

the idea behind this initiative is that for most pictures on the internet, the government can find out who uploaded it. Thats bad news for a variety of reasons, the most disturbing being the targetting of individuals who try to anonymously criticize the current power structure.

[awicurrent]

Wow this is disturbing on all counts

First it is disturbing that the sites are storing this information routinely. What right to they have to do it?

If they want to keep info for marketing in a non personal way that is OK. If they get permission from a person to do it, that is OK.

But for them to track personal information without an OK is not reasonable and is a clear message to stay away from those sites.

It would be like allowing the library to give a third party the list of books you take out in order to help somebody's marketing. That is not what you signed up for at the library.

As for the federal government, if the companies are keeping the information, then a court order to show the existing records is understandable.
They certainly have as much right to it as some marketing company. No court order, no infor should be the rule however.

For the government to REQUIRE internet companies to keep that information is not acceptable. Freedom of the press makes that unconstitutional.
How can people exchange information freely if the information exchange is being monitored.

The McCarthy hearings in the 1950's show how government can misuse information and take information out of context and create problems. The constitution is supposed to prevent that.

The Nixon administration misused information for political purposes. What keeps the internet information from being used for that purpose. Remember John Mitchell was the head of the Justice Department.

It is reported that J. Edgar Hoover used FBI information for personal use to force politicians to cooperate with him.

Basically if you look at the govenment position, it is unacceptable. They appear to be really talking about emails as well as web information that are processed by an internet company.

This is bad stuff.

[Thrust Vectoring]

*sigh*

Things like this is why the people involved shouldn't have chickened out of making peer2peer-chan. Because theres no way many of the image boards can comply with this rule - 21.5 million posts over 3 and a half years or so, good luck having enough storage space to fit all of that. And thats just on one of the boards, theres more posts on others, and on other websites.

[Wyldcdn]

Privacy is not guarantied online anyway.

I strongly doubt anyone of those image sharing sites guaranty your privacy anyway. You post your stuff on a public site and then get mad if someone is checking to see if it is illegal? ***?
And if you think about it, only stupid bad people will caught this way. This is still good though, because stupid people leave trails of info on their pcs that may lead to others. The fewer perverts out there the better.

[chuck_whealton]

Re: Privacy is not guaranteed online anyway.

I agree with you. I'm sorry but I just can't see any reason to be ticked off about records being kept on what you upload or download anywhwere - image, text, video, etc., UNLESS it's something illegal.

If it helps catch criminals, especially predators, I'm sorry, but I just don't see any negatives in that.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

[appledogx--2008]

Big Brother wants to watch EVERYTHING

The term Freedom was much more different before George W.
Bush.

Logs of everything that are kept for years on end are counter to
freedom. What you do anymore is never really "done", it lives
with you for as long as big brother wants it to.

I'm all for responsibility and legality, but I'm not for infinite trails
for increasingly invasive and intrusive government. Remember
when Republicans wanted government OUT of people's private
lives? Those Republicans are gone forever. This new crop
reminds me more of Nazis.

[fireofenergy]

I used to want to

Be responsible. For what? for the pre-defined life big money offers the 95% or so without it. So, why worry unless we can actually do something about (losing our freedoms). that will cause stress which is only good if acted upon in a physical manner like sports or motocross. However, research will prove that disturbing facts like this can not simply be vented by some "other" physical activity. I'd say simply break the law and not worry about who's uploading to your site, after all, only the RICH can comply, UNFAIRITIES again! This is just another attempt (step) to make it harder for average people to control their site!
What are the chances of all those greedys squashing my site anyway? Nill, because it has very few page hits. But if I was a name brand, I would still try to DIS COMPLY just to prove a point (and stir public support). After all, it's not just 5% of the people that know that (much of) the government are just puppets for the ELITE, anymore. Most try to inhibit that thought, just as I, because it interferes with all the better aspects of life (what ever they be?). I believe that "everybody" knows the "conspiricy theory" but we all think we are powerless (are we, would Einstein be?). We would be dinosuars to let a meteor destroy the world, we would be cows not to all break the fence. Perhaps we should mine them both!
We have to break the coming "internet laws" just to continue with the origional amendments - shadow constitution or not. "They" already tap internet activity for certain keywords anyways which proves that this new thing is just another powertrip!

[fireofenergy]

reconsider...

I got a little off track?
Maybe it's alright for "them" to monitor "everything" because there are indeed sick individuals screwing up the net with helping domestic violent activity and child porn. If I caught one uploading to my site, I would gladly turn them in. So the easiest way would be through these new laws, I'm just ******** because if I want others to upload, I shouldn't have to pay anymore than the abiltity to allow so. I guess a "keeping track of everybody" program wouldn't cost that much as most would become generic and easily duplicated. If you have such a site, delete the bad with a post stating "deleted because of (whatever) offence" and say "Give peace a chance".

[random753]

KGB?

The USA now has a higher % of its population in prison than any other country in the world. We have become a very sick culture.

[jamesv11m]

Backdoor in routers?

Is that going to a be on the feature list of new routers? Backdoor enabled. Then they will suddenly pull them from the market after the backdoor gets spread throughout the net.
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http://www.WindowsVistaUserGuide.com

[random753]

conspiracy time again

OK I watched the entire video. The plot is that a vast group of people combined efforts to blow up the building and make it look like a terrorist plot so they could collect money and avoid financial loss due to high costs of operating the buildings. The Bush family is of course involved and its made clear that the buildings owners are a corporation led by a billionare jew who is said to have made billions in insurance claims.

No mention of UFOs or Elvis was made. It was pretty much the vast right wing conspiracy and corporate greed. The video claims that a large group of people carried out a plan to plant explosives all over the building three weeks before it was destroyed.

I bet the several thousand people who would have to have been involved felt silly when planes hit the building just minutes before they had planned to set off the explosives they had planted to blow it up. (to bring down the building so they could rebuild a more profitable one).

I do agree there was a group of people who would stop at nothing to advance themselves. That group are the people who made the video.

[Blake Wilkinson]

bush administration/image-sharing sites

just when are we going to say enough is enough and impeach these
buffoons?
this is a flagrant invasion of privacy and disreguard of the
constitution on the United state.

[Had_to_be_said]

No... We can no-longer trust those in power...

At a time when those in power are quite intentionally undermining EVERY-SINGLE "individual liberty"... they ("The Government", ...AND the "Corporations" they are tied to) are also cloaking their OWN actions behind an absolute "wall of secrecy" so EXTREME, and IRRATIONAL... that merely reporting their ILLEGAL-ACTIONS itself, can now, be considered a "...serious crime".

Not, to mention the virtual "war" on "the press"... especially, the "independent" press (people who dont actually work for one of the "...recognized ...news-agencies"). This includes this very ASSAULT on one of the most fundamental elements of "Free Speech" ("anonymous speech").

However, the sad fact is that we cannot trust either the "Republicans" (with their clearly Fascist-leanings), nor the "Democrats" (with their clearly Socialist-leanings), since both are, actually, part of the true power-elite in this country (sadly, thats just the way money, and politics, work in America). Both "parties" are, actually, calling for the exact same end... Namely, the complete ability to MONITOR, DISCRIMINATE, and CONTROL... Absolutely EVERYONE (except, apparently, "the rich"). Remember, the "Patriot Act" (which the current administration was actually informed before "9/11", clearly, VIOLATED the "Constitution"... and could not possibly be put into effect without some sort of, "...national emergency")..? It was actually written during the "Clinton Administration".

And, what about... "CALEA", "COPA", and the institution of "government surveillance" of virtually all "public areas" (just to name a few, BI-PARTISAN, legislative-programs)..?

Think about it.