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This may be broadening the subject but it's a lot like piracy. When companies, or governments, don't trust their own people, or customers by an enacting stupid policies, it makes them criminals in the eye of the law as they find ways around them because they disagree with said policies.
Our government is scared of its own people, and that's not a government I want running the country I live in. I can't wait for 2008. perhaps my little vote will make a change for the better. one can hope right?
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By the government tracking out every move, which is really what this is all about, pretty much goes against the whole amendment.
Once you've walked over the line (Operation Paperclip, MK ULTRA,
Gulf of Tonkin, to name a few), it's easy to marginalize the loss of
civilian lives or the freedoms of people.
they'll have to push some other angle, like emergency response.
In other words...
No... the "Feds" arent actually backing-down one, little, bit. In fact, it appears that they are actually PUSHING-UP the date that States have to declare their intention to COMPLY. Additionally, the DHS is backing up this, latest, imposition with a DIRECT-THREAT against the, States, citizens. I suspect this is due to the, rapidly-mounting, MASSIVELY-OVERWHELMING RESISTANCE, amongst the States and the American-citizenry, to this very, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING and UTTERLY ANTI-AMERICAN, OBSCENITY.
Sadly, I fear that things are going to get a lot worse, in this country... before they get any better...
May 9, 2005
FROM: http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst050905.htm
The US House of Representatives passed a spending bill last week that contains provisions establishing a national ID card, and the Senate is poised to approve the measure in the next few days. This week marks the American public’s last chance to convince their Senators they don’t want to live in a nation that demands papers from its citizens as they go about their lives.
Absent a political miracle in the Senate, within two years every American will need a conforming national ID card to participate in ordinary activities. This REAL ID Act establishes a massive, centrally-coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens: at a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, Social Security number, and physical characteristics. The legislation also grants open-ended authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to require biometric information on IDs in the future. This means your harmless looking driver’s license could contain a retina scan, fingerprints, DNA information, or radio frequency technology.
Think this sounds farfetched? Read the REAL ID Act, HR 418, for yourself. Its text is available on the Library of Congress website. A careful reading also reveals that states will be required to participate in the “Drivers License Agreement,” which was crafted by DMV lobbyists years ago. This agreement creates a massive database of sensitive information on American citizens that can be shared with Canada and Mexico!
Terrorism is the excuse given for virtually every new power grab by the federal government, and the national ID is no exception. But federal agencies have tried to create a national ID for years, long before the 9-11 attacks. In fact, a 1996 bill sought to do exactly what the REAL ID Act does: transform state drivers’ licenses into de facto national ID cards. At the time, Congress was flooded with calls by angry constituents and the bill ultimately died.
Proponents of the REAL ID Act continue to make the preposterous claim that the bill does not establish a national ID card. This is dangerous and insulting nonsense. Let’s get the facts straight: The REAL ID Act transforms state motor vehicle departments into agents of the federal government. Nationalizing standards for driver's licenses and birth certificates in a federal bill creates a national ID system, pure and simple. Having the name of your particular state on the ID is meaningless window dressing.
Federally imposed standards for drivers' license and birth certificates make a mockery of federalism and the 10th amendment. While states technically are not forced to accept the federal standards, any refusal to comply would mean their residents could not get a job, receive Social Security, or travel by plane. So rather than imposing a direct mandate on the states, the federal government is blackmailing them into complying with federal dictates.
One overriding point has been forgotten: Criminals don’t obey laws! As with gun control, national ID cards will only affect law-abiding citizens. Do we really believe a terrorist bent on murder is going to dutifully obtain a federal ID card? Do we believe that people who openly flout our immigration laws will nonetheless respect our ID requirements? Any ID card can be forged; any federal agency or state DMV is susceptible to corruption. Criminals can and will obtain national ID cards, or operate without them. National ID cards will be used to track the law-abiding masses, not criminals.
Dave
Now if we could only get our Congressmen and Representatives to understand the concept that If they ain't law-abiding to start with, they ain't gonna fall in line no matter what.
I kin this to the new colorful paper money that was going to stump the counterfitters. I have heard of more bad bills being passed since there inception that ever before. And quite a few were made with home scanner/printer.
Just think what a industrious computer-savve kid could do with a few bibs-and-bobs from the local computer store. Junior could scan everyone who passes by his home-made RFID scanner.
Oh well...back to the drawing board.
The liar-in-chief has no intention of securing the borders. Exactly the opposite.
Google "The North American Union" and see what you find. Lou Dobbs on CNN is all over this!
He made a secret deal with Canada and Mexico to build a superhighway from Mexico up to Canada to bypass our own ports. They'll truck goods up from Mexico to destroy the longshoreman unions and flood this country with cheap labor and destroy the middle class once and for all.
Once that is complete, the United States of America will cease to exist.
With this Real ID Act, they're going to set up check points all over the country.
We need to stop this before it's too late!!!!
The liar-in-chief has no intention of securing the borders. Exactly the opposite.
Google "The North American Union" and see what you find. Lou Dobbs on CNN is all over this!
He made a secret deal with Canada and Mexico to build a superhighway from Mexico up to Canada to bypass our own ports. They'll truck goods up from Mexico to destroy the longshoreman unions and flood this country with cheap labor and destroy the middle class once and for all.
Once that is complete, the United States of America will cease to exist.
With this Real ID Act, they're going to set up check points all over the country.
We need to stop this before it's too late!!!!
I urge you to watch the Google videos:
Freedom to Fascism
9/11 Press for Truth
9/11 Mysteries
Do yourself and your family a favor and throw out your TV and
avoid commercial radio.
The card (and the plane) can still be hijacked though...(box knives and valid yet forged ID's anyone?) thus the 'security' it provides like all these cattle-tagging schemes is the government's security, not the cattle's.
db
"Aim at Heaven and you will get Earth thrown in. Aim at Earth and you get neither."-CS Lewis
You forgot to mention that stolen or legally purchased scanning devices can ALSO read that information and automatically save it into a database.
And then that database can be either hacked or stolen.
And... well it's all history... no need to repeat every mistake that's already been made to know that this will just be a repeat of another bad idea.
They trade off encryption due to complexity. Actually, it's NOT that complex. For one to decrypt the info, they would have to validate themselves with a reputable source first. The technology is already out there and not really that complex.
But what about the other issues I mentioned above...
Bottom Line: It's a bad idea the way they're currently trying to implement it!!!
Walt
They may say that the information will only be used for limited purposes. That the collection of personal data will not be abused.
Remember when they passed the National Income Tax over Christmas vacation in 1913 and that it would not be abused and only used on a limited scale? Well the times changed and for apparently human tendency based reasons the application of income tax laws has expanded well into the realms that the original sponsors said would not happen. Remember when those extremists cautioned against passing the ERA amendment in the early 70's stating that socially extreme outcomes would possibly result from its passage? Well, even without the ERA amendment there have been many single sex "marriages" in many locations in our country. The one thing that is for sure is that things will change. Change happening over time is the one thing that will not change. So, if we think that we can pass a Super ID Card system and that this mass of private information go untouched, unused, and stay perfectly safe from the bad guys we are blythely deluding ourselves. Changing reasons to use the tools that are there to be used is the one certainty that we can be sure of. It may start out that the amassment of data about our transactions and control of our behaviors based on the requirement that we use our Super ID card will lay dormant for a time. But there will come a time when reasons to access and use this data above and beyond the original reasons stated for its implementation will occur. Change is for sure not going to change. Using the tools of power at their fingertips will happen even though the authorities may say that they will not do so in the future.
If and When they implement this national ID card system, I will abide by it and give up the privacy of my actions that this system will track and record. I will say aloud however that this course of action is rife with dangers and we must not be made to fear saying so due to such an opinion being politically incorrect or unpatriotic. I believe Voltaire said something to the effect, 'I may disagree with you but I will defend your right to say your differing opinion'.
We should work harder with the information gathering methods that we already have in place, and build character and integrity in our citizens in order to stop the bad guys from breaking the law. I do not support the proposed Super ID cards for law abiding citizens. That is a dangerous road to travel.
a) the IRS already has your home address so you are not giving out anything new here
b) your state BMV already has your home address and puts it on your driver's license, this is just setting a standard so that it can be read in a national database
c) the only reason someone would not want to reveal this information is if you have something to hide such as you are a criminal or illegal immigrant in which case you need to be in jail or deported
There a number of benefits to having this.
a) it will make it easier to id your remains when you get mangled in a car accident
b) if tied into a national medical database it could insure that you receive better medical attention in the event that you are unable to give information to emergency responders (think Katrina, Rita, and 9/11)
c) it will make it easier to identify illegals and criminals which need to either be deported or locked up
- Shut up and think about it...
- by hounddoglgs May 9, 2007 6:50 AM PDT
- .... before you starting running around crying about "big brother" coming to get you. This is NOT a big deal. Every time you show your ID, write a check, etc., you are giving away your home address. Every time you apply for a credit card, your home address is sold to anyone who is buying. DMV records and property deeds are public record. Anyone can look you up, or have a background check done on you. This is dumb- only because it's a waste of time and money. The gov't should set standards to prevent forgery and that's it. I do agree that RFID is a bad idea, because then you can be identified by anyone without even taking your wallet out of your pocket.
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Showing 2 of 3 pages (92 Comments)Besides, your privacy can't possibly be any further compromised than what is already happening through the rampant misuse and abuse of your social security number.