Comments on: Feds: Details of ISP snooping haven't been decided

DOJ attorney says there has been no "official" decision on what data providers might be required to retain or for how long.

[David Arbogast]

CNet bungles another Title

As usual.. CNet is actually trying to create controversy.

This isn't at all about "snooping," as the title suggests. This is a push for standardized data retention laws. Similar laws alread exist about other business documents. This gives the government no form of free or unrestricted access to the data. What it means, is that when the government gets a court-granted warrant to collect data, they know that the data will be there, and what it will be.

Too bad CNet has to put their spin on everything. Here we go... watch the conspiracy theorists spread more anti-government hoodoo. *sigh*

[unknown unknown]

Do you trust the government that much?

I know I don't. The FBI can use administrative subpoenas (no court involved) and NSLs to demand business records etc which presumably includes logs. We all know the government would never abuse it's power *sarcasm.
Then there are plenty of litigious people and businesses (the types that sue over any form of criticism) out there that would love to get their hands on that kind of information. It could certainly speed up the RIAA's quest to sue more old ladies and dead people.

If CNet is as bad as some people like to claim why they continue reading it? Surely they better things to do.

[Had_to_be_said]

Actually, YES, This IS about "snooping"...

Anyone who actually knows,

...the long-term systematic governmental-process of intentional privacy-erosions which have literally been, unswervingly, leading to this very point for years,

Or, ...anyone who knows the technical details of such technological-systems as "Trusted Computing" (the thoroughly-integrated goals of so-called "trusted network access", absolute "user-identification", "access, and use, control", and its inherent "monitoring" capability, etc.),

Or, ...anyone who has heard of "REAL-ID", TOTAL-INFORMATION AWARENESS", "The WAR on Drugs", "The WAR on Terrorism", "The PATRIOT ACT", "CAPPS", the Governments ILLEGAL-WIRETAPPING of Americans, declaring citizens to be "Enemy Combatants", "Secret Laws", "Secret Courts", "Secret Extraditions", "Secret Prisons", Etc., Etc.,

Or, ...anyone who knows the actual-legislation which, in fact, already DOES exist, which DOES already allow "access" to such "private records" WITHOUT any real "due process" or "probable cause" (...at this point, all ANY "law-enforcement" agency has to do is simply say the words, "ongoing investigation"),

...would know that posts defending these, OBSCENELY UN-AMERICAN actions, are completely ignorant of the FACTS.


Actually, Im giving such -posters- the benefit of the doubt, postulating that they ARE just supremely ignorant of such facts, and not just FLAT OUT LYING. And, I am also assuming that theyre not simply the "trolls", that their inane posts would seem to indicate.

But, I do love how "David", for example, seems to hint that this "data-retention" is, actually, somehow related to monitoring unsavory "business" actions. That was, almost, clever.

Too bad, this IS about "snooping". And, too bad it IS directed against ALL private-citizens. And, its really too bad that its SO OBVIOUS that this HAS BEEN PLANNED for a very-long time. And, its REALLY too bad this IS, CLEARLY, GOING TO BE IMPOSED on the American People, ...by a corrupt few, ...NO MATTER WHAT.

Remember when the "United States" was "the great Bastion of Freedom, Law, and Justice"..?

By the way... "David", the last polls I heard seem to place about 70-percent of the American-People in that, "...anti-government ...conspiracy theorists" camp, these days.

Hhhmmm...