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Attorney general, other witnesses ask Congress to force Internet service providers to follow customers' activities.
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We can not preserve our freedom by allowing our government to take away any part of it--no matter how small.
First it's child porn, next it's terrorism. After that fails to produce results, maybe we'll investigate everyone who visits Muslim web sites. Or maybe we'll investigate visitors to Israeli sites--I'm sure Palestinians consider them to be terrorists.
The problem here is that once this door is opened, there is no way to close it.
http://www.teckmagazine.com/content/view/667/43/
data on citizens instead of fighting this war on "terrorism" or whatever you want to call that this week.
http://www.teckmagazine.com/content/view/631/43/
U.S. govt is more interested in tracking its own citizens. Good one.
They already listened in on phone calls without legal basis, and would like nothing better than being able to spy on every American.
Citizens should spy on their government, not the other way around. I want these neonazis out of existence for the farce they've been making of my country. This is America, dammit. We don't do this kind of crap and still get to be called the land of the free and the home of the brave.
<thinking of buying a gun...>
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and store all this info for two years, and Costa Rica will give them
tax breaks to become the Data Center of the world.
Gonzales/Bush can always be relied on to propose the most
onerous regulations with the highest cost and least benefit to
everyone, except their ever-growing fanaticism and fascism.
I can't type what I am thinking because CNET will just censor it out - but consider it said - at length.
This is NOT an invasion of privacy.
This is a law designed to specify a mandatory data-retention period. Your ISP has your data, and they can keep it for as long as they like. A court can issue a subponea for that data, and that is nothing new. There is no mandate for all ISP logs to be turned over to the federal government.
I think you are paranoid. Did you even read the article? The Bush administration doesn't give a rat's rear-end where you go on the Internet, and they don't want your data. What they want... is to give law enforcement the ability to legally collect evidence on criminals after a judge has granted approval. And there is nothing wrong with that.
The "child protection" is simply the red herring to distract you from yet another Bush Administration attempt to cull as much information about every person as they can.
Google? Google?s all about $$ advertising; nothing wrong with that, but they?re not a political group.
Child porn my ass. Why is it the government?s job to be parents to my kids? I?m the parent, it?s my responsibility where my kids go and what they do. It?s my responsibility what they watch, what they read, and who they associate with.
I?m not one of those who believe the government was complicit in 9/11, but make no mistake, it has been distorted into the neocon political wet dream. Massive defense spending, 2 wars, terror alerts, citizens afraid, diminishing privacy? I ask you, are the terrorists, at least politically, winning?
Funny, I was just watching Enemy of the state the other night. That movie was made before 9/11. We should all watch it again.
Who the hell voted for this boob anyway? To all of you that did, shame on you!
They may say they will to get elected, but...
We need electable independent candidates that have some common sense about the limitations of government our founding fathers intended. Then the federal government would concentrate on our borders and defense of the country and the states would take care of the criminals among our citizenry.
I don't see either Democrats or Republicans reducing the federal government that much.
RFID tags that will track everything from the time it leaves a store which Walmart plans on using to track your buying habits from the time its made to the time it ends up in a landfill.
Ohh that shiny new PC you just bought has a unique hardware identifier besides having a serial number embedded in the CPU which most people dont even know about.
Your Mac address and I know mine is being checked by my ISP as I type this.
Umm lets see what else... your passport has an RFID tag embedded in it.
Your soon to be nationalized ID which the feds require all states to comply with by 2008 I believe must be registered with the feds if states wish to continue receiving federal funding.
Ohh and while we're at it did you know that you satellite TV and cable box can record what you watch.
George Orwell had the facts right he just got the year wrong.
I guess I just have to enjoy what little annonymity I have at the moment... but wait ohh thats right they have satellites that can see through buildings. Guess I am just another ant on this rock we call earth
However - what is being proposed is NOT spying, and does NOT infringe upon the rights of Americans.
<<Those logs, often routinely discarded after a few months, are intended to be used by police investigating crimes. >>
Currently, ISPs retain log files for a period of time that they choose. A police investigation can result in a subponea being issued for that data. This is NOTHING new.
The change being proposed, is a mandatory period for data retention. Meaning - ISPs would be forced to maintain their log files for a given period of time in case a subponea was issued for that data.
It is NOT a law requiring ISPs to voluntarially hand over all data to the government, as some of these folks would have you believe.
There are already laws in place to govern data retention for businesses, especially related to email. The difference in this case, is that the law would be far less vague - which would be good.
The PROBLEM... is not one of rights, or spying.... those arguments are clearly unsubstantiated. Rather, the burdon placed upon an already low-margin business will be unreasonable. Data collection and storage requirements are translated into a dollar-cost for ISPs, and that cost will be passed to the consumer... which means that the cost of Internet access will increase.
ISPs can already store all your data for as long as they'd like. What the government is trying to do, is to set a STANDARD for data retention. You'd think that some of these open-source fans who preach standards would understand this. With a standard in place - investigators would know ahead of time whether or not data is available for collection as evidence in a case against a criminal. Rather than obtaining a warrant only to later learn that the ISP didn't retain those records, investigators will know ahead of time whether or not the data will be there.
But I think you're mischaracterizing our article and quoting from it selectively.
One possibility that's been talked about is forcing ISPs to go further than recording IP address assignments and keep logs of email correspondents, etc. Also this would apply to search engines, social networking sites, etc.
This would not be a small change and does not deserve to be dismissed as such.
What ever happened to warrants? The Republicans are acting like that word never existed.
most parents (the good kind, anyway) would do ANYTHING for their children, including die for them. this fanatical defense of kids turns off every rational bone in a parent's body.
in fact, protecting their children is such an irrational thing that most parents would gladly KILL SOMEONE ELSE to protect their children, if forced to choose. those same parents will certainly vote to take every single right that YOU have, in order to satisfy their primal urge to protect THEIR children.
if these irrational parents would be perfectly happy to KILL YOU to think their kids are safer, what makes you think they won't pass every sort of draconian law imaginable if a politician scares them into thinking they have to?
that's why politicians will never stop exploiting people's children for political gain.
it's time we as a national stood up and said "Sorry, parents, but your kids are not worth me losing my constitutional rights. End of story- no exceptions."
This sort of legislation is a red-herring in that it does not actually do anything to cure the problem. It does, however, open the door to abuse by government, lawyers, and law enforcement. If the information is collected under the pretense of protecting children, do you really think a judge will refuse to obtain information that is known to exist for other purposes? Of course not. If it exists at all it will be subject to subpeona for other purposes such as divorces and other civil suits.
It is just a bad idea all around, plain and simple.
Even if he gets his law, it's totally worthless as criminals will just use an off-shore proxy that is not subject to US subpeona authority. The only record they would have is the connection to the proxy.
Useless.
safe at all times. I am of the opinion that children must grow and
adapt to the environment, not the environment adapt to the
child. That being said, I do beleive in protecting my daughter to
the extent possible. I am against child porn and child abuse.
I also make sure that my child does not use the computer or the
internet unless I know what she is doing with/on it. I do not
believe in taking away anyones rights, mine included, or
infringing on anyones rights, mine included. I can only take so
much Elmo, Disney and sugary sweet kids shows and sites.
Some may consider me a bad parent, I really don't care. My child
learns to deal with her environment and if that means that
sometimes she gets a scrape or a bump or a bruise, so be it.
Keep your damn government hands out of my privacy, I have
nothing that would interest you.
The federal government of the united states is completely and utterly corrupt.
The party that favored less government activity in our lives is long dead.
hail hail hail King Bush and his smucks
- Big Brother
- by sabot96 September 20, 2006 9:22 AM PDT
- One more step for big brother. Gonzales you don't a crap about child porn. You want to add one more tool in controlling the population.
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