Comments on: Qwest on data retention laws: Oops

Broadband provider says its chief privacy officer misspoke when endorsing federal laws mandating data retention.

[GrandpaN1947]

SSSSSSuuuuurrre

We believe you...

[T38]

Yikes!

DeGette's proposal shows that, like many legislators, she just doesn't get it:

"DeGette's proposed legislation...says any Internet service that 'enables users to access content' must permanently retain records that would permit police to identify each user. The records could not be discarded until at least one year after the user's account was closed."

I run my own web and mail servers. Therefore, I am, in a sense, running an "Internet service". I am not an ISP, however, which is what I *suspect* she really means (but with the law, wording--not intent--is what really matters). Were this proposal to pass, would I therefore be required to retain all logs of who accessed my web and mail servers until "one year after the [user's] accounts expired?" Unfortunately, most people accessing my web server *don't have accounts* on my server. When can I purge these logs, then? Would I be required to maintain log files indefinitely? Keep in mind, I'm just a geek running a server for the fun of it. I can't afford to keep upgrading hard drives just so I can keep log files forever... :(

Most ISPs (and I've worked for two) keep log files for a reasonable period of time--a month, a year maybe for some logs--and then rotate them. This allows a reasonable time for law enforecement agencies to submit a request for subscriber information without something as onerous as what Ms. DeGette proposes.

[Too Old For IT]

Not sure how long ...

.. the web server I'm playing with keeps logs.

Must see if I can write a script to delete them in 30 seconds.

[BeamerMT]

Ooops?

ummm.. yea .. its probably oops when Qwest recieves a flood of emails from subscribers threatening to discontinue service.

[scdecade]

Qwest sorry their desire for anti-consumer regulation made public

Qwest is very sorry that their desire for anti-consumer, anti-competitive regulation was made public. They're even more sorry that it received a negative reaction. Now that they've compelled this woman to recant her story. In 24 hours she completely reversed her opinions, yeah right. Now Qwest can do what they really wanted to do in the first place: deal $$$'s with the government in secret. Dealing with the government in secret should work better for Qwest. This way no nasty PR and no angry customers. Yet they'll still get the onerus laws they want. The policians will be happier and richer as well. Everyone wins but the common man.

[freq]

POTS architecture.... evil eye....

grouwing up as a teenager... I hung out with enough phreaks on att conf calls to know how corporate america is run.. and quite frankly, most people cant handle the truth...

we dont need an architecture designed to exploit...

child porn and such.. well thats propaganda used to excite one another and keep this sh- going on..

I never hear about the post office opening peoples letters looking for child porn.. .

but dont listen to me.. I am half retarded... cant hold on to job for more than 6months.. and refuse the woman placed in my world by my controllers..

oh yah.. since I have no friends.. (I wonder why) I guess that makes my a threat..

[system001]

Doing The Right Thing? NOT!!

Qwest claims it is doing the right thing by turning over their customer personal information. I think not. Acts like this just add to the police state that this nation is becoming. There are other ways to fight terrorism with out becoming a police state. If we do become a police state the terrorist win. Our right to privacy must be protect at all cost. When I first started using the Internet i had AOL. They had a habbit of blocking sites. Once I realized this I dropped them like a hot potatoe. Because this meant that they were monitoring aon what I viewed. I enjoy my privacy and do whatever it takes to protect it. In regards to our privacy who are the ones to really be afraid of? The terrorist or our government?

[bobfuller30004]

Oops: Cancelled My Account

Ha ha! I cancelled my Qwest account shortly after the data retention story broke. Any others? Poor Qwest.

[Lyricraider]

Corporate Idiocy

How can this person have the audacity to say this was just an "honest mistake". Something so profound as this had to have been oked by the very top management before the statement ever could be made. So much for corporate stupidity and cover up.

[AgentSTS]

We're sorry, the employee you're trying to reach has been disconnected...

Just another typical day at Qwest. As a former employee who ran for the door because of and just before the merger between the then US West and Qwest, I have a decade of experience with how they operate. It's not that this type of thing doesn't happen hourly by management in one of their offices... this is just one of the few times it's become so public.

Management at Qwest comes in two flavors:

1) Suck-ups, with noses as brown as potting soil and that don't have the sense god gave a lemon, who got to where they are by making sure they had at least 4 inches of penetration up someone's backside.

2) Then there are the true masters of the 4-inch... the power hungry elitists who got to where they are by bypassing the brown-nosers like the steel ball in a pinball machine and taking advantage of the corporate culture of submission by crushing the hourly employees in yet another sad attempt to compensate for their other shortcomings.

Given these two management types, I would bet my money that manager-type #1 approved the original release and manager-type #2 forced the damage control while making darn sure the counsil that made the 'boo-boo' was sent home crying.

Now remember, "that's the spirit of service.'

[j9starr]

Some things never change...

As an even more recent former employee of Qwest (or Q-worst if you prefer) I can tell you that your description is just as accurate now as it was pre-merger. I too ran, quickly, to the first available job offer somewhere else.