Comments on: FBI plans new Net-tapping push

New legislation, seen by News.com, would force ISPs and net gear makers to build in Big Brother.

[Sol999]

seven dipshits in a warehouse

What the government does is get some borderline retarded patsies to say something incrminating that the government can hype into a terrorist threat.

It's perfect because the Sheeple than get scared and believe their government is protecting them while at the same time allowing the government to steal more of their privacy and other civil liberties, not to mention spend a whole lot more on creating a police state.

So you can bet that the timing of this latest police state proposal is no coincidence.

John Stewart is spot on with his commentary and you can see it here along with your dipshit government trying to explain this latest threat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-_sfWzApXw&eurl=

[Sol999]

seven dipshits in a warehouse

What the government does is get some borderline retarded patsies to say something incrminating that the government can hype into a terrorist threat.

It's perfect because the Sheeple than get scared and believe their government is protecting them while at the same time allowing the government to steal more of their privacy and other civil liberties, not to mention spend a whole lot more on creating a police state.

So you can bet that the timing of this latest police state proposal is no coincidence.

John Stewart is spot on with his commentary and you can see it here along with your dipshit government trying to explain this latest threat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-_sfWzApXw&eurl=

[jasonemanuelson1]

Get your own house in order first.

You want everyone tapped, yet the government has more leaks
as a whole than all of the storm drains in New York. Tapping the
world os not going to make your own facilities any more secure,
it just makes it a level playing field in being less secure. A global
system for tapping network service providers only serves to be
an invitation to crack that system, and open a flood of theft the
likes have never been seen.

When your own house is in order, then I 'might' trust you. But
from the way the government currently hemorrhages
information, I would not trust you with my e-mail address.,
much less anything else of mine.

[jasonemanuelson1]

Get your own house in order first.

You want everyone tapped, yet the government has more leaks
as a whole than all of the storm drains in New York. Tapping the
world os not going to make your own facilities any more secure,
it just makes it a level playing field in being less secure. A global
system for tapping network service providers only serves to be
an invitation to crack that system, and open a flood of theft the
likes have never been seen.

When your own house is in order, then I 'might' trust you. But
from the way the government currently hemorrhages
information, I would not trust you with my e-mail address.,
much less anything else of mine.

[Mallardd]

Simple Solution

Use Encryption.

[Mallardd]

Simple Solution

Use Encryption.

[rfielding]

this must lead to outlawing encryption and VPNs

i am currently working for an intrusion detection vendor...so on
the one hand, I am salivating at the obvious business
opportunity. congress is going to mandate that every ISP buy all
kinds of packet capture based products, and naturally we could
end up drinking from a taxpayer funded money firehose as a
result.

but it's plainly obvious that as the excess CPU/bandwidth
required to encrypt all communications becomes available,
effective network monitoring will become a moot point. as soon
as everyone is tunnelling all traffic through encrypted tunnels
(SSL/SSH/Skype/whatever) you can monitor little more than what
IP addresses talk to what other IP addresses and roughly how
many bytes transferred. and even this can be obscured by
proxying through another tunnel. with the wasteful amounts of
garbage going on in an http session now, what's a couple layers
of encryption and indirection?

so, in order for this law to be effective, encryption will have to
be outlawed because the use of encrypted tunnels would moot
the utility of any packet capture schemes. even more to the
point, using a tunnel with any encoding unrecognized by the
wiretap could be considered a form of willful interference with
the automated wiretap.

the problem is that encryption can allow for *actual* privacy,
which is a security risk from the standpoint of somebody whose
job is to monitor people. the use of encryption won't be any
indication of malfeasance if everyday people are all doing it to
run away from criminals, agressive advertisers, and other idiots
that cant be entrusted with personal information of any kind.

if the thought of the Bush 2.0 administration with no-fuss-
wiretaps does not bother you (and it may not), then you may
prefer to consider what the Hillary Clinton administration will do
with a no-fuss-wiretaps law.

[rfielding]

this must lead to outlawing encryption and VPNs

i am currently working for an intrusion detection vendor...so on
the one hand, I am salivating at the obvious business
opportunity. congress is going to mandate that every ISP buy all
kinds of packet capture based products, and naturally we could
end up drinking from a taxpayer funded money firehose as a
result.

but it's plainly obvious that as the excess CPU/bandwidth
required to encrypt all communications becomes available,
effective network monitoring will become a moot point. as soon
as everyone is tunnelling all traffic through encrypted tunnels
(SSL/SSH/Skype/whatever) you can monitor little more than what
IP addresses talk to what other IP addresses and roughly how
many bytes transferred. and even this can be obscured by
proxying through another tunnel. with the wasteful amounts of
garbage going on in an http session now, what's a couple layers
of encryption and indirection?

so, in order for this law to be effective, encryption will have to
be outlawed because the use of encrypted tunnels would moot
the utility of any packet capture schemes. even more to the
point, using a tunnel with any encoding unrecognized by the
wiretap could be considered a form of willful interference with
the automated wiretap.

the problem is that encryption can allow for *actual* privacy,
which is a security risk from the standpoint of somebody whose
job is to monitor people. the use of encryption won't be any
indication of malfeasance if everyday people are all doing it to
run away from criminals, agressive advertisers, and other idiots
that cant be entrusted with personal information of any kind.

if the thought of the Bush 2.0 administration with no-fuss-
wiretaps does not bother you (and it may not), then you may
prefer to consider what the Hillary Clinton administration will do
with a no-fuss-wiretaps law.

[acklark]

Very Bad Idea

I sincerely hope that such a law never, ever gets passed. I believe such a law would jepordize basic freedom of speech in the U.S.
It will also cause great harm to those companies who whould like to advertize or sell their products over the internet because, I for one, would stop using the internet completely. I do not relish the thought of Big Brother watching me surf the internet. Indeed I will not stand for it and if it the law, I will have to quit using the internet. It would be the only way I could combat the spying.

[R-gumption]

"Big Brother" doesn't give a shizzle what you are looking at...

You say you will stop using the Net if this legslation passes. Have you stopped using the telephone? I bet you use a traditional land line or cellular phone. The government already has the ability to conduct wiretaps on these forms of communication so you crackpots better watch out. "Big Brother" is listening to you chatter on endlessly to your fellow conspiracy theorists.

[acklark]

Very Bad Idea

I sincerely hope that such a law never, ever gets passed. I believe such a law would jepordize basic freedom of speech in the U.S.
It will also cause great harm to those companies who whould like to advertize or sell their products over the internet because, I for one, would stop using the internet completely. I do not relish the thought of Big Brother watching me surf the internet. Indeed I will not stand for it and if it the law, I will have to quit using the internet. It would be the only way I could combat the spying.

[R-gumption]

"Big Brother" doesn't give a shizzle what you are looking at...

You say you will stop using the Net if this legslation passes. Have you stopped using the telephone? I bet you use a traditional land line or cellular phone. The government already has the ability to conduct wiretaps on these forms of communication so you crackpots better watch out. "Big Brother" is listening to you chatter on endlessly to your fellow conspiracy theorists.

[Björn Lundahl]

Governments are the Biggest Spywares in the World!

Are we going to promote the biggest spywares in the world and the most dangerous ones too, Governments?
Björn Lundahl, Goteborg, Sweden

[Björn Lundahl]

Governments are the Biggest Spywares in the World!

Are we going to promote the biggest spywares in the world and the most dangerous ones too, Governments?
Björn Lundahl, Goteborg, Sweden

[Björn Lundahl]

Governments, the Biggest Spywares in the World!

Are we going to promote the biggest spywares in the world and the most dangerous ones too, Governments?
Björn Lundahl, Goteborg, Sweden

[Björn Lundahl]

Governments, the Biggest Spywares in the World!

Are we going to promote the biggest spywares in the world and the most dangerous ones too, Governments?
Björn Lundahl, Goteborg, Sweden

[David Trammel]

Remember the FBI Raid on the House?

How our elected officials howled over the "invasion" of their rights when the FBI searched their office building.

Can you spell hypocrite "C-O-N-G-R-E-S-S"?

[David Trammel]

Remember the FBI Raid on the House?

How our elected officials howled over the "invasion" of their rights when the FBI searched their office building.

Can you spell hypocrite "C-O-N-G-R-E-S-S"?

[volterwd]

Werent they worried

the chinese would do this

force makers of networking gear to build in backdoors for eavesdropping

[volterwd]

Werent they worried

the chinese would do this

force makers of networking gear to build in backdoors for eavesdropping

[male6]

It will just snowball from here

If we allow the government to spy, you can rest assured that the information WILL be used against you in some fashion other than looking for terrorists. I do not trust them. Period. Whatever happened to safeguarding the privacy and liberty of the citizens of this country? I hope people wake up and take a stand against this before it's too late. You know the saying...most people don't realize they are drowning until the water is up to their waist.

[male6]

It will just snowball from here

If we allow the government to spy, you can rest assured that the information WILL be used against you in some fashion other than looking for terrorists. I do not trust them. Period. Whatever happened to safeguarding the privacy and liberty of the citizens of this country? I hope people wake up and take a stand against this before it's too late. You know the saying...most people don't realize they are drowning until the water is up to their waist.