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House Democrat joins Bush administration in supporting a mandate that Net firms store records about consumers' activities.
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In fact, this scheme is actually a two-part plan.
Part 1. Requires "data retention".
Part 2. Requires legislation to allow virtually unfettered government-access to such data.
And, this isnt just a U.S. scheme. Europe already HAS implemented "Part 1 - data retention". And, the United States HAS already implemented "Part 2 - unfettered-access", ...to virtually any "stored ISP" information. Such "records" can now be demanded by virtually any "law-enforcement agency", for virtually "...any ongoing investigation", of virtually any alleged "...wrong-doing". And, I believe, Canada has already actually implemented both parts.
You would have to be a FOOL to not understand that this IS going to happen, NO MATTER WHAT. Or, what this really means.
Remember when being innocent until proven guilty, and citizens expectation of "due-process"... in other words, ..."Freedom", ...actually meant something?
In fact, this scheme is actually a two-part plan.
Part 1. Requires "data retention".
Part 2. Requires legislation to allow virtually unfettered government-access to such data.
And, this isnt just a U.S. scheme. Europe already HAS implemented "Part 1 - data retention". And, the United States HAS already implemented "Part 2 - unfettered-access", ...to virtually any "stored ISP" information. Such "records" can now be demanded by virtually any "law-enforcement agency", for virtually "...any ongoing investigation", of virtually any alleged "...wrong-doing". And, I believe, Canada has already actually implemented both parts.
You would have to be a FOOL to not understand that this IS going to happen, NO MATTER WHAT. Or, what this really means.
Remember when being innocent until proven guilty, and citizens expectation of "due-process"... in other words, ..."Freedom", ...actually meant something?
Personally, I love having access to the internet, but I'm thinking about giving it up too. I don't do anything illegal, but I guess that doesn't matter. My country makes me feel like I'm guilty. We may be better than China or North Korea or countries like that, but for how long.
Personally, I love having access to the internet, but I'm thinking about giving it up too. I don't do anything illegal, but I guess that doesn't matter. My country makes me feel like I'm guilty. We may be better than China or North Korea or countries like that, but for how long.
The statement "Child pornography investigations have been "hampered" because data may be routinely deleted"
If this data exists today to begin with I am going to assume the data is not actual web traffic, but instead things like keeping record of who had what IP address at what time.
Because if that all they are looking to retain for longer periods of time I say fine.
I think some clarification is needed before I cast my vote in either direction on the issue. (I know, I know, I am suposed to let Slashdot and the IT media think for me).
The statement "Child pornography investigations have been "hampered" because data may be routinely deleted"
If this data exists today to begin with I am going to assume the data is not actual web traffic, but instead things like keeping record of who had what IP address at what time.
Because if that all they are looking to retain for longer periods of time I say fine.
I think some clarification is needed before I cast my vote in either direction on the issue. (I know, I know, I am suposed to let Slashdot and the IT media think for me).
been any better, but Bush has been a huge disappointment in so
many ways. His record on civil liberty is an especially bitter pill
to swallow. And clearly our current Attorney General is the point
man for the soft-fascist police state of the 21st Century. I?ve
watched the UK lead the way in this regard and that experiment
hasn?t gone well.?
?
As long as you include the words ?terrorism, child pr0n, or
meth? then any destruction of civil liberties is not only
acceptable, but absolutely required. I used to not give a rat?s ass
what happened to some foreigner detained in Guantanamo Bay
till I realized that the current administration sees us all as
potential suspects and potential enemies of the state.?
?
It isn?t that Bush and his administration is evil, but rather this is
just one more example of how good intentions--combined with
unchecked statist power--can go awry in a serious hurry. ?
?
I wish I could take refuge in the other major party but they have
their own ?safetycratic? agenda, whether it?s taking away my
guns, or legislating away my choice of smoking or eating
unhealthy food. And they?ll be just as happy to take advantage
of all this new snooping power to enforce their own vision of
utopia.
It doesn't matter if those detainees are foreigners(many are not), that the US governement could disappear people should have been a huge red flag.Just remember this, the US has set a dangerous precedence, you could now say something bad about another country and could come into the US and take you for as long as they wish with no charges and abuse you. They can do this because this is exactly what you supported. Hopefully someone will invade and take Bush away to suffer an ironic punishment he so richly deserves.
Three shameful facts about america:
1. Over 50% of the people do not vote.
2. Of those that voted, ~25% voted for bush
3. That means that 75% of the population are morons.
been any better, but Bush has been a huge disappointment in so
many ways. His record on civil liberty is an especially bitter pill
to swallow. And clearly our current Attorney General is the point
man for the soft-fascist police state of the 21st Century. I?ve
watched the UK lead the way in this regard and that experiment
hasn?t gone well.?
?
As long as you include the words ?terrorism, child pr0n, or
meth? then any destruction of civil liberties is not only
acceptable, but absolutely required. I used to not give a rat?s ass
what happened to some foreigner detained in Guantanamo Bay
till I realized that the current administration sees us all as
potential suspects and potential enemies of the state.?
?
It isn?t that Bush and his administration is evil, but rather this is
just one more example of how good intentions--combined with
unchecked statist power--can go awry in a serious hurry. ?
?
I wish I could take refuge in the other major party but they have
their own ?safetycratic? agenda, whether it?s taking away my
guns, or legislating away my choice of smoking or eating
unhealthy food. And they?ll be just as happy to take advantage
of all this new snooping power to enforce their own vision of
utopia.
It doesn't matter if those detainees are foreigners(many are not), that the US governement could disappear people should have been a huge red flag.Just remember this, the US has set a dangerous precedence, you could now say something bad about another country and could come into the US and take you for as long as they wish with no charges and abuse you. They can do this because this is exactly what you supported. Hopefully someone will invade and take Bush away to suffer an ironic punishment he so richly deserves.
Three shameful facts about america:
1. Over 50% of the people do not vote.
2. Of those that voted, ~25% voted for bush
3. That means that 75% of the population are morons.
So what are they going to do now with that information??? Are they going to arrest me. Monitor me??? Put me on a list?
Are they good 'ole Americans from the stock of our fore-fathers or are they big meanies?
I frankly don't care about the constitution because I am not stuck in the past and am more concerned about the original intention of this country as it should be to move foward. They can interprait the constitution any way they want and that's reality because the president is givin full power. Period.
Right now they are a runaway government, just doing their job, hellbent on controlling everything from what goes in your mouth to out your anus. All in the name of 'state secrets.' Why because they are obsolete.
The U.S. is worse then any of the past evil natiopns put together because they are the world leaders. Most conservatives support this with heavy rationalization.
So for, me the government has had it. My new government is the www.eff.org and other non-profits that do not tax me; so have an incentive to work for me based on merit. Since today most of the world is run by non-profits anyway. They don't need your money because they have your support.
I can't wait to see the final showdown. EFF will win hands doesn't because simply they don't need money as much as the government does to survive. The government can try to stop them all they want but EFF is more nimble and has better backing overall. Special Interests rule today period. The non-profit Internet companies like Open Source software and Hardware rule.
They dont need you U.S.
So what are they going to do now with that information??? Are they going to arrest me. Monitor me??? Put me on a list?
Are they good 'ole Americans from the stock of our fore-fathers or are they big meanies?
I frankly don't care about the constitution because I am not stuck in the past and am more concerned about the original intention of this country as it should be to move foward. They can interprait the constitution any way they want and that's reality because the president is givin full power. Period.
Right now they are a runaway government, just doing their job, hellbent on controlling everything from what goes in your mouth to out your anus. All in the name of 'state secrets.' Why because they are obsolete.
The U.S. is worse then any of the past evil natiopns put together because they are the world leaders. Most conservatives support this with heavy rationalization.
So for, me the government has had it. My new government is the www.eff.org and other non-profits that do not tax me; so have an incentive to work for me based on merit. Since today most of the world is run by non-profits anyway. They don't need your money because they have your support.
I can't wait to see the final showdown. EFF will win hands doesn't because simply they don't need money as much as the government does to survive. The government can try to stop them all they want but EFF is more nimble and has better backing overall. Special Interests rule today period. The non-profit Internet companies like Open Source software and Hardware rule.
They dont need you U.S.
Committee hysteria of the late 40's and early 50's under Sentaor
Joe "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy, where everyone was seeing
Communist subversives under every rock and a popular satirical
song of the period said: "If your mommy is a Commie, then
you've got to turn her in!"
Same thing, but far more damaging is this push to look at
EVERYTHING we do as the net becomes more and more the only
way we really communicate - VOIP, email, video, file sharing,
you name it. And once again, the government wants to be able
to look at everything - without a warrant.
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm
from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan.
And this porposed legislation falls under that terrifying idea of
"trying to help." Help us out of our right to privacy, our right to
freedom of interference in our daily lives by the government and
our right to say what we want, when we want, without the fear
that the government isn't listening in and won't take retribution
for what we have said.
Another step on that slippery slope to tyranny. A BIG step.
Not to mention one that simply isn't feasible from a technical
standpoint. The storage requirements are simply unthinkable.
Again, showing that a Congresscritter has two ends - a thinking
end and a sitting end and, as their job depends on keeping their
seat, they have little use for the other end, at all.
Lee Darrow, C.H
Chicago, IL
P.S. Five will get you ten that this gets me audited - again.
Committee hysteria of the late 40's and early 50's under Sentaor
Joe "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy, where everyone was seeing
Communist subversives under every rock and a popular satirical
song of the period said: "If your mommy is a Commie, then
you've got to turn her in!"
Same thing, but far more damaging is this push to look at
EVERYTHING we do as the net becomes more and more the only
way we really communicate - VOIP, email, video, file sharing,
you name it. And once again, the government wants to be able
to look at everything - without a warrant.
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm
from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan.
And this porposed legislation falls under that terrifying idea of
"trying to help." Help us out of our right to privacy, our right to
freedom of interference in our daily lives by the government and
our right to say what we want, when we want, without the fear
that the government isn't listening in and won't take retribution
for what we have said.
Another step on that slippery slope to tyranny. A BIG step.
Not to mention one that simply isn't feasible from a technical
standpoint. The storage requirements are simply unthinkable.
Again, showing that a Congresscritter has two ends - a thinking
end and a sitting end and, as their job depends on keeping their
seat, they have little use for the other end, at all.
Lee Darrow, C.H
Chicago, IL
P.S. Five will get you ten that this gets me audited - again.
- Can you spell smokescreen?
- by casper2004 April 29, 2006 8:35 AM PDT
- This is just a prelude of things to come from the biggest terrorist in the world, which sits in the White House today.
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