Sounds to me like these states are running a bluff. I doubt if any state could budget an audit department large enough to do a significant number of unpaid internet purchases audits.
So are we to believe they will go after Joe Sixpack for the tax on his Amazon purchases instead of some guy who owes them hundreds of thousands (assuming the big crook isn't a politician).
If a state want to collect taxes on internet purchases, imo, the only way they are going to collect it is to agree with the 49 other bloodsuckers on a fixed rate that can be charged by the online company. (and how often can the greedy 50 agree on anything?)
Until they do, to quote another poster they can "pound sand".
Did you really think the War in Iraq would be funded by them? Did you really think the tax cut wouldn't be funded by you? They have been printing phoney money for years and now it's time to pay the man. Usually they blame it on the Demorats because they usually do try to make the books balance. Well, here it is, time to make the books balance and someone has to pay. It's kind of neat that all you Conservative voters are starting to see the real results of your vote. Ha Ha.
Did you really think the War in Iraq would be funded by them? Did you really think the tax cut wouldn't be funded by you? They have been printing phoney money for years and now it's time to pay the man. Usually they blame it on the Demorats because they usually do try to make the books balance. Well, here it is, time to make the books balance and someone has to pay. It's kind of neat that all you Conservative voters are starting to see the real results of your vote. Ha Ha.
Between Federal, state, town, property, sales tax, social security etc. Plus extras like taxes on gas, utilities etc.
I am already nearly at 50% of my income before deducting health insurance, disability insurance, car insurance etc. and I never use any of it.
I live off of about 30% of my income, it helps to be able to buy some things cheaper from the Internet but after adding Item + shipping + TAX there goes that idea.
The middle class in the US are just tax slaves to to the "Team America World Police".
I live in a country where I pay 55% of my income in direct taxes, and I then have to pay for private education, private security, private health, private roads, etc.
I live in a country where I pay 55% of my income in direct taxes, and I then have to pay for private education, private security, private health, private roads, etc. But I see your point. Actually I think this whole "tax" thing needs to be redefined. A tax is something they impose on you just because they can. The world used in spanish for tax tells this very clearly: "impuesto" (which literally means imposed). When you pay for a product or service, you chose to buy it because you agree with the price/benefit relationship. When you pay your taxes it is because someone with guns tells you to do it. And they tell you how much to pay, when and how. And they don't actually have to give you something in return (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't). The "tax" blanket should be replaced by several differentiated rational concepts charged by the state: concepts in categories such as service fees, regulatory charges, social contributions, usage of common resources, etc. For each one you should be able to relate what you are getting in return so as to decide if it is a fair charge or not. You would still bot be able to do much about it (except during the next voting season) but at least you could have a rational base for complaining. As it is today, it is just a meaningless number that says how much you "owe" them.
Between Federal, state, town, property, sales tax, social security etc. Plus extras like taxes on gas, utilities etc.
I am already nearly at 50% of my income before deducting health insurance, disability insurance, car insurance etc. and I never use any of it.
I live off of about 30% of my income, it helps to be able to buy some things cheaper from the Internet but after adding Item + shipping + TAX there goes that idea.
The middle class in the US are just tax slaves to to the "Team America World Police".
I live in a country where I pay 55% of my income in direct taxes, and I then have to pay for private education, private security, private health, private roads, etc.
I live in a country where I pay 55% of my income in direct taxes, and I then have to pay for private education, private security, private health, private roads, etc. But I see your point. Actually I think this whole "tax" thing needs to be redefined. A tax is something they impose on you just because they can. The world used in spanish for tax tells this very clearly: "impuesto" (which literally means imposed). When you pay for a product or service, you chose to buy it because you agree with the price/benefit relationship. When you pay your taxes it is because someone with guns tells you to do it. And they tell you how much to pay, when and how. And they don't actually have to give you something in return (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't). The "tax" blanket should be replaced by several differentiated rational concepts charged by the state: concepts in categories such as service fees, regulatory charges, social contributions, usage of common resources, etc. For each one you should be able to relate what you are getting in return so as to decide if it is a fair charge or not. You would still bot be able to do much about it (except during the next voting season) but at least you could have a rational base for complaining. As it is today, it is just a meaningless number that says how much you "owe" them.
Use tax is incentive not to shop online, shipping is a tax
At that point between the shipping and the tax there is no incentive to shop online. So if you are an online retailer, say goodbye. Customers are better off paying the higher price from the standard brick and mortar store down the street along with the local sales tax.
Shipping may feel like a tax (I'm still cringing from an Internet purchase yesterday that went from $369 to $446 after shipping and tax were added!), but it really isn't. That's because it is paid to the seller (their "handling" fee) and the shipping company, not a tax collection agency.
Internet sellers who charge high shipping fees will need to come up with better answers. Some have already. Some don't charge shipping at all, or, more accurately, include it in the purchase price (TANSTAAFL!). Others offer options to ship it to a local retailer for no charge, where you may then pick it up.
These companies, IMHO, will do okay versus brick/mortar points of sale even if state sales/use taxes are collected. I say this because they usually offer a better selection (both by carrying a broader product line, and by offering complete size/color selections).
Use tax is incentive not to shop online, shipping is a tax
At that point between the shipping and the tax there is no incentive to shop online. So if you are an online retailer, say goodbye. Customers are better off paying the higher price from the standard brick and mortar store down the street along with the local sales tax.
Shipping may feel like a tax (I'm still cringing from an Internet purchase yesterday that went from $369 to $446 after shipping and tax were added!), but it really isn't. That's because it is paid to the seller (their "handling" fee) and the shipping company, not a tax collection agency.
Internet sellers who charge high shipping fees will need to come up with better answers. Some have already. Some don't charge shipping at all, or, more accurately, include it in the purchase price (TANSTAAFL!). Others offer options to ship it to a local retailer for no charge, where you may then pick it up.
These companies, IMHO, will do okay versus brick/mortar points of sale even if state sales/use taxes are collected. I say this because they usually offer a better selection (both by carrying a broader product line, and by offering complete size/color selections).
Use tax is an import tax, nothing nore nothing less. States expect you to pay to import items into their state for personal use. It's an off-shoot of what was originally charged to business' for massive purchases of equipment bought out-of-state to skirt what would be a huge sales tax add-on if it were purchased in-state.
What it really is for a private individual is a second tax. You see, corps dont pay any tax on income until it is disposed of while individuals get taxed for the income itself and its disposal. A double tax. It sucks. It's unfair. But since when did that ever stop any govt entity from gouging more out of the unwilling masses?
Use tax is an import tax, nothing nore nothing less. States expect you to pay to import items into their state for personal use. It's an off-shoot of what was originally charged to business' for massive purchases of equipment bought out-of-state to skirt what would be a huge sales tax add-on if it were purchased in-state.
What it really is for a private individual is a second tax. You see, corps dont pay any tax on income until it is disposed of while individuals get taxed for the income itself and its disposal. A double tax. It sucks. It's unfair. But since when did that ever stop any govt entity from gouging more out of the unwilling masses?
Why don't online businesses charge EVERYONE sales tax at the time of purchase? I am from Illinois, and if I travel to Virginia and go to Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart doesn't ask to see my ID to see whether I am taxed or not, so why should online be any different? It makes no sense at all to pay Illinois for goods I bought in Virginia.
Why don't online businesses charge EVERYONE sales tax at the time of purchase? I am from Illinois, and if I travel to Virginia and go to Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart doesn't ask to see my ID to see whether I am taxed or not, so why should online be any different? It makes no sense at all to pay Illinois for goods I bought in Virginia.
So if am a resident of a state with no sales tax on cars, and I buy a car from the state next door with a 10% sales tax, I should get my money back because I paid tax I shouldn't have paid.
I guess I'll just have to start moving in order to purchase things. Live in CA for a day, live in NV for a couple months, AZ for a day, etc..
So if am a resident of a state with no sales tax on cars, and I buy a car from the state next door with a 10% sales tax, I should get my money back because I paid tax I shouldn't have paid.
I guess I'll just have to start moving in order to purchase things. Live in CA for a day, live in NV for a couple months, AZ for a day, etc..
"Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny"-James Otis(17825-1783)
Dear State Tax Bureaus,
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to nmake a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
"Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny"-James Otis(17825-1783)
Dear State Tax Bureaus,
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to nmake a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
"Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny"-James Otis(1725-1783)
Dear State Tax Bureaus,
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to make a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
You need to calm down Dick. The article is about enforcing use taxes for out-of-state purchases. A use tax means that you are paying your state's sales tax to your state of residence for items you purchase from retailers in other states. You are well represented within your own state so this is by no means equivalent to British taxation of the colonies. Quit spouting self-righteousness and read the article.
"Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny"-James Otis(1725-1783)
Dear State Tax Bureaus,
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to make a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
You need to calm down Dick. The article is about enforcing use taxes for out-of-state purchases. A use tax means that you are paying your state's sales tax to your state of residence for items you purchase from retailers in other states. You are well represented within your own state so this is by no means equivalent to British taxation of the colonies. Quit spouting self-righteousness and read the article.
My government is so great and brilliant that they have helped me make a better financial decision for myself and my family. Now I will do no more USA shopping (since I'm a USA citizen). Instead, I can have my stuff shipped from overseas or from offshore in order to avoid taxation. If I purchase in a large enough bulk, I save on shipping costs.
The idiots in my USA governments (that's plural, because the idiots are from the city, county, state, and federal government) do not understand that the Internet has no geography. I can be like two clicks away from shopping in India than I can in Texas. Before the Internet, we purchased items locally because of convenience. Governments around the world took advantage of that and charged taxes to help those communities (and the Federal and State/Province governments as well). People were ensnared by this. The only way around it was to travel to somewhere else where the taxes were cheaper. But after the Internet, I have no geographical constraints. I can circumnavigate the globe in seconds.
No need to get angry at the knuckledraggers, though. We can just show them what happens when they continue to make brilliant decisions like this.
My government is so great and brilliant that they have helped me make a better financial decision for myself and my family. Now I will do no more USA shopping (since I'm a USA citizen). Instead, I can have my stuff shipped from overseas or from offshore in order to avoid taxation. If I purchase in a large enough bulk, I save on shipping costs.
The idiots in my USA governments (that's plural, because the idiots are from the city, county, state, and federal government) do not understand that the Internet has no geography. I can be like two clicks away from shopping in India than I can in Texas. Before the Internet, we purchased items locally because of convenience. Governments around the world took advantage of that and charged taxes to help those communities (and the Federal and State/Province governments as well). People were ensnared by this. The only way around it was to travel to somewhere else where the taxes were cheaper. But after the Internet, I have no geographical constraints. I can circumnavigate the globe in seconds.
No need to get angry at the knuckledraggers, though. We can just show them what happens when they continue to make brilliant decisions like this.
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any state could budget an audit department large enough to do
a significant number of unpaid internet purchases audits.
So are we to believe they will go after Joe Sixpack for the tax on
his Amazon purchases instead of some guy who owes them
hundreds of thousands (assuming the big crook isn't a
politician).
If a state want to collect taxes on internet purchases, imo, the
only way they are going to collect it is to agree with the 49 other
bloodsuckers on a fixed rate that can be charged by the online
company. (and how often can the greedy 50 agree on anything?)
Until they do, to quote another poster they can "pound sand".
Would it?
Would it?
I am already nearly at 50% of my income before deducting health insurance, disability insurance, car insurance etc. and I never use any of it.
I live off of about 30% of my income, it helps to be able to buy some things cheaper from the Internet but after adding Item + shipping + TAX there goes that idea.
The middle class in the US are just tax slaves to to the "Team America World Police".
But I see your point. Actually I think this whole "tax" thing needs to be redefined. A tax is something they impose on you just because they can. The world used in spanish for tax tells this very clearly: "impuesto" (which literally means imposed).
When you pay for a product or service, you chose to buy it because you agree with the price/benefit relationship. When you pay your taxes it is because someone with guns tells you to do it. And they tell you how much to pay, when and how. And they don't actually have to give you something in return (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't).
The "tax" blanket should be replaced by several differentiated rational concepts charged by the state: concepts in categories such as service fees, regulatory charges, social contributions, usage of common resources, etc. For each one you should be able to relate what you are getting in return so as to decide if it is a fair charge or not. You would still bot be able to do much about it (except during the next voting season) but at least you could have a rational base for complaining. As it is today, it is just a meaningless number that says how much you "owe" them.
I am already nearly at 50% of my income before deducting health insurance, disability insurance, car insurance etc. and I never use any of it.
I live off of about 30% of my income, it helps to be able to buy some things cheaper from the Internet but after adding Item + shipping + TAX there goes that idea.
The middle class in the US are just tax slaves to to the "Team America World Police".
But I see your point. Actually I think this whole "tax" thing needs to be redefined. A tax is something they impose on you just because they can. The world used in spanish for tax tells this very clearly: "impuesto" (which literally means imposed).
When you pay for a product or service, you chose to buy it because you agree with the price/benefit relationship. When you pay your taxes it is because someone with guns tells you to do it. And they tell you how much to pay, when and how. And they don't actually have to give you something in return (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't).
The "tax" blanket should be replaced by several differentiated rational concepts charged by the state: concepts in categories such as service fees, regulatory charges, social contributions, usage of common resources, etc. For each one you should be able to relate what you are getting in return so as to decide if it is a fair charge or not. You would still bot be able to do much about it (except during the next voting season) but at least you could have a rational base for complaining. As it is today, it is just a meaningless number that says how much you "owe" them.
are an online retailer, say goodbye. Customers are better off paying the higher price from the standard brick and mortar store down the street along with the local sales tax.
Internet sellers who charge high shipping fees will need to come up with better answers. Some have already. Some don't charge shipping at all, or, more accurately, include it in the purchase price (TANSTAAFL!). Others offer options to ship it to a local retailer for no charge, where you may then pick it up.
These companies, IMHO, will do okay versus brick/mortar points of sale even if state sales/use taxes are collected. I say this because they usually offer a better selection (both by carrying a broader product line, and by offering complete size/color selections).
mark d.
are an online retailer, say goodbye. Customers are better off paying the higher price from the standard brick and mortar store down the street along with the local sales tax.
Internet sellers who charge high shipping fees will need to come up with better answers. Some have already. Some don't charge shipping at all, or, more accurately, include it in the purchase price (TANSTAAFL!). Others offer options to ship it to a local retailer for no charge, where you may then pick it up.
These companies, IMHO, will do okay versus brick/mortar points of sale even if state sales/use taxes are collected. I say this because they usually offer a better selection (both by carrying a broader product line, and by offering complete size/color selections).
mark d.
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What it really is for a private individual is a second tax. You see, corps dont pay any tax on income until it is disposed of while individuals get taxed for the income itself and its disposal. A double tax. It sucks. It's unfair. But since when did that ever stop any govt entity from gouging more out of the unwilling masses?
What it really is for a private individual is a second tax. You see, corps dont pay any tax on income until it is disposed of while individuals get taxed for the income itself and its disposal. A double tax. It sucks. It's unfair. But since when did that ever stop any govt entity from gouging more out of the unwilling masses?
I guess I'll just have to start moving in order to purchase things. Live in CA for a day, live in NV for a couple months, AZ for a day, etc..
I guess I'll just have to start moving in order to purchase things. Live in CA for a day, live in NV for a couple months, AZ for a day, etc..
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to nmake a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
Sincerely,
Tricky Dick
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to nmake a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
Sincerely,
Tricky Dick
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to make a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
Sincerely,
Tricky Dick
Just exactly what personal benefit do I stand to receive under your plan to collect internet based State taxes? If I buy within my state I get the benefit of the tax revenues collected within my state.
If I buy out of my state, say from S. Carolina, am I supposed to pay S. Carolina's taxes? I don't think so. Maybe you had better go back to school and read up on Federal Constitutional law. Look at that header again: "Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny".
200+ years ago, a very large group Americans participated in a giant tea party in Boston to make a point about unlawful taxation. Do we need another tea party?
Make a legitimate case for the proper collection and use of taxes and make sure there are benefits for those who pay those taxes.
Else all you ever get is the middle digit from my right hand.
Sincerely,
Tricky Dick
The idiots in my USA governments (that's plural, because the idiots are from the city, county, state, and federal government) do not understand that the Internet has no geography. I can be like two clicks away from shopping in India than I can in Texas. Before the Internet, we purchased items locally because of convenience. Governments around the world took advantage of that and charged taxes to help those communities (and the Federal and State/Province governments as well). People were ensnared by this. The only way around it was to travel to somewhere else where the taxes were cheaper. But after the Internet, I have no geographical constraints. I can circumnavigate the globe in seconds.
No need to get angry at the knuckledraggers, though. We can just show them what happens when they continue to make brilliant decisions like this.
The idiots in my USA governments (that's plural, because the idiots are from the city, county, state, and federal government) do not understand that the Internet has no geography. I can be like two clicks away from shopping in India than I can in Texas. Before the Internet, we purchased items locally because of convenience. Governments around the world took advantage of that and charged taxes to help those communities (and the Federal and State/Province governments as well). People were ensnared by this. The only way around it was to travel to somewhere else where the taxes were cheaper. But after the Internet, I have no geographical constraints. I can circumnavigate the globe in seconds.
No need to get angry at the knuckledraggers, though. We can just show them what happens when they continue to make brilliant decisions like this.