Comments on: Google, feds face off over search records

Google's attempt to fend off Justice Department's request for search records goes before a federal court in San Jose, Calif.

[Pop4]

MSN Accounts are subject to immediate search lending their ISP to municipal

This happens every day at your local library. Speaking from personnal experience having emails removed and rerouted from my past MSN account; closed March 4, 2006. Google has concerns.

[MisterFlibble]

What's more distrubing to me than the case...

...against Google for subpeonas, is that the DOJ want to get the COPA law that was struck down before reinstated, which the law blatantly impedes free speech, and that every time this story gets brought up, only talk about the Google subpeonas gets any attention, and noone is paying attention that websites are heading for censorship this fall if the DOJ successfully gets the COPA act reinstated.

[JLenz23]

The Fight for children

What are we suppose to do? Are we suppose to have some kind of program for our kids not to be indanger while there on the net? what if they go some were else an use a computer, for eg. there friends house. what do we do then?, put a camra on there head so we can see every thing? not likly! we need to set some kind of safty on the web were kids will only be able to access safty on the net.

[Sir Geek]

What are we suppose to do ?

What are we suppose to do ? Nothing, What are "you" supposed to do ? What ever you see fit.

I do NOT want any of my monies spent by this government to raise your children. It is your responsibility to rais your child, not the government. It is your responsibility to know that you can trust the household that you are letting your child visit.

If you have concerns, ask the parents. ( Have you even MET the parents of your child's friends ?)

[rcrusoe]

It's not about the childred

The internet is never going to be a kid safe zone. Short of
pulling the plug and disconnecting the country from the rest of
the world, anyone that knows anything about the technology
knows that the U.S. can never control the information on a world
wide network.

The Feds fight with Google, IMO, is about politics and power.
The politicians want to be able to say they are doing something
to protect "the children" and the Feds don't like anyone saying
no when they decide they need to spy on whoever they want.

China is trying to control what their citizens can seen on the net
right now, but people find ways around their filters faster than
they can create new ones. I'm no hacker but I know several ways
to bypass anyone's network filters.

Teach your kids about the net the same as you teach them about
drugs. Follow some basic rules: Don't let them have a computer
in their room, and supervise them when they are online. And if
you want filters, buy one and install it on your personal
computer.

And when your children are not at home, pray you taught them
well.

[Heebee Jeebies]

No it starts...

By parents educating their kids to be good people, not low life scum.

Maybe instead of just say you can't do this, you go do that. Maybe if parents sat their kids down and explained to them why porn is not appropriate for them and that when they are old enough and ready it will be there should they decide to view it.

Frankly, I think the biggest danger comes from sites like MySpace and kids seeing naked people bofing like animals. It looks to me like people are just too up-tight about sex. When they should be up tight about kids getting tricked in to meeting adults thanks to sights like MySpace.

Parents need to educate their children. No you can't be with them all of the time and they do have to make choices on their own. If they make a mistake they and the parents have to pay the price. But, it was theirs and their parents fault not anyone elses.

We should not be creating laws that benefit the minority and shaft the majority and that seems to be exactly what the religous nut in the white house is trying to do. Both with this porn law and gay wedded bliss. It is wrong, plain and simple.

Shame people no longer have to take responcibility for their choices. Instead they expect everyone else to do it.

Robert

[cswiger]

Google search and outsourcing...?

> Orin Kerr, a former prosecutor who is now a law professor at George
> Washington University, said Congress meant for the language to apply to
> outsourcing.
>
> "Does eBay provide 'processing services' for its customers?" he asks in a
> 2004 law review article. "I think the better answer is 'no.' The legislative
> history indicates that 'processing services' refer to outsourcing functions.
> In the era before spreadsheets, a company might send raw data to a remote
> computing service and ask the service to crunch numbers to calculate its
> payroll."
>
> But let's assume for the sake of argument that Google does offer "processing
> services." Here's what could happen when:

Haven't you ever seen a website containing a panel of "Ads by Google"?

I'm not particularly fond of the spread of such advertising on the web, and I don't choose to do business with Google by using AdSense myself, but it seems evident that quite a few people who want to put up a personal vanity site or blog or whatnot pay for it by placing an AdSense section rather than trying to negotiate individual promotional deals themselves.

Google's AdSense program outsources advertising based on search keywords, the user's cookies, and other data as available. Being able to associate a user's search history, the contents of their gmail.com account (if they have one), data from the Google toolbar (if used), is pretty comprehensive.

[JLenz23]

protecting our kids

Us pareants know what were supposed to do an yeah we may know the family but kids still tend to do things behind there back all im saying is yeah sure we can set up a parental program but kids also tend to out smart us people now endays. there never should of been allowed to put up any kind of adult stuff over the net if it was my choice i would go on the office net and delete all these non sense porn

[miketkrw]

Protect them from WHAT?????

<<never should of been allowed to put up any kind of adult stuff over the net if it was my choice>>

Thank god it is not your choice! What do you mean by "adult" content? Who decides what is and is not "adult". Do you really think that there is content on teh internet that is going to harm your children just by seeing it? LOL! Doesn't say much for you as a parent.

[Heebee Jeebies]

So why...

Is that everyone elses problem. If someones kids are lying, cheating, stealing and sneaking in to things there are not supposed to and the parents can't control them. Then that means the kids are criminals (or at least well on their way), the parents are pathetic and should never been allowed to breed. So why this is everyone elses problems. I have chosen not to have kids. If I want to look at porn without having to jump through a bunch of hoops I should be able to.

It is about time that people take responsibility for their own instead of placing it in everyone elses lap. This country is for the people, by people. Not for the pathetic by the pathetic which thanks to Bush is what has become.

Robert

[free_people]

This is a Hoax to create sympathy for Google

This story that the US gov is asking Google for data on the people using
Google & Google fighting it is a Hoax. It is the classic mind game.
It is the classic "Good Cop" "Bad Cop" game being played on the people.
It is intended to create sympathy for Google, and to keep Google in daily
news coverage.
But in fact Google is as much a part of the US gov as are CIA, NSA, etc.
Do you think for one second that US gov is spending 100s of Billions of
dollars to control what people say or see worldwide from 1000s of
US bases spread through out the world, that it then would need the
permission of Google to look at its data!
Come on, how naive do they think people are!
Hek under the Patriots act it just takes an order of the right person at the
Justice department to get copies of any data, from library to email
servers to any server, to put active lessoning devices anywhere they
want, etc. etc.

[caudio_roma]

Yes, I agree. Google &Yahoo are as bad as CIA.

I can tell you that from someone who lives in Europe and seen what disregard US government has for lives of the people, from the US plane that cut the cable on Gondola in Ski area in North of
Italy few years ago and killed like 40 people without anyone going to jail for it, to the unjust & barbaric invasion of Iraq that has killed like 1Million+ people, to kidnapping Italian citizens off Milan to take them to outside Italy, to US bases all over the Italy, that the US government does not need the permission of Google or Yahoo to eavesdrop on our searches, they can have it in a heart beat
and in fact I am sure that Google or Yahoo are as much part of the US government effort to control the world as are bases all
over Italy & Europe, etc.
So I as an IT professional and professor of Computer science am urging all my colleagues to find or finance a European based search engine, just like we created Linux & MySQL here in Europe.

[illpoint]

You only protect your kids from child pornography?

Protecting your kids from seeing child pornography? Shouldnt you be protecting them from seeing pornography in general?

The concept of this case is about protecting kids from becoming child pornography. Not viewing it, LOL, geez.

[PzkwVIb]

This has Nothing to Do with Child Porn

The provision of COPA that was blocked, attempted to force web hosts to verify aged to prevent minors from seeing "any" information that might be "harmful to minors".

Of course, that is what parents are for.

[tracie101]

right to privacy

Where does Big Brother's reach stop? Do people no longer have a right to privacy? Thank you Google for standing up for your rights and our rights!

[wysiwyg22]

The dangerous path we follow

I'm curious, if Google is so tied into the GOV, why is this story being KILLED on CNN, (where it's reduced to a footnote), Fox (where it's not mentioned) Cspan (where they dare not mention it) and MSNBC?

We're witnessing a horrible and audacious infringement upon freedoms and upon the basic decency of a safe and secure environment for data. The free press and free speech we've enjoyed has built this country, forged into a strong and noble force in the world. It has made a sanctuary for us and the world. But the very foundations that have been our black guard against this very criminalization are being destroyed. Our pillars are being attacked and with them, our sanctuary.

Imagine where the world is going once the only PRIVATE companies large enough to fight the Government are overthrown by these petty arguements and erroded by the mire of burocrocy and beaten into a bland corporate pulp that merely rolls over whenever an order is given.

That is not the America we were to be. We are becoming an America plagued by fear and reigned to the failings of small men without passion. Men who attack the very foundations of enterprise and self determination. It is our heart and daring that makes us strong. Americans should be defined by the ability to secure common decency beyond any bureaucratic law. This is with a view that the individual is sacred and justice will be carried not as an ultimate force to bludgeon our people, but to guide and mold our SOCIETY. To risk and ruin the freedoms of society in order to condemn a few individuals is an atrocity to the American heart and tradition.

We need our private enterprises to be as secure as our skyscrapers. We need our government to protect our rights as citizens and businesses. Do not engage in battles to destroy them. Once those are gone, everything else will follow. You will have no sanctuaries against the tyrannies of this world.

Please, look to our fathers. . . Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton. . . please understand that you can not cut out your heart for fear of its beating and expect the body to live.