Comments on: Proposed law targets tech-China cooperation

Legislation being readied by politician proposes criminalizing cooperation with governments of China, Iran, others.

[Thinkforachange]

they only obeying the law

they're only obeying the law.. that's what we'll told to do in the US, like it or not

these politicans are such *****. all these internet companies are doing are following the laws of the country. It's true that there are always laws that people dont like, hell there are tons in this country that people dont like but we have to obey them anyway, no matter how much we think they arent right.

I dont see what's wrong legally with Yahoo turning over the name of a guy to the chinese govt, it was under orders from the govt...... *cough.. its very much like how the US govt be locking up reporters for not turning their informates over who in turn also goto jail.

[samgmcf]

Whose law should Google obey?

Google is an American Company. They are in China of their own freewill, not of necessity. So let's make a law that prohibits Google from censoring information and opinion, and expect them to obey it. These are now evil men.

[Thinkforachange]

they only obeying the law

they're only obeying the law.. that's what we'll told to do in the US, like it or not

these politicans are such *****. all these internet companies are doing are following the laws of the country. It's true that there are always laws that people dont like, hell there are tons in this country that people dont like but we have to obey them anyway, no matter how much we think they arent right.

I dont see what's wrong legally with Yahoo turning over the name of a guy to the chinese govt, it was under orders from the govt...... *cough.. its very much like how the US govt be locking up reporters for not turning their informates over who in turn also goto jail.

[samgmcf]

Whose law should Google obey?

Google is an American Company. They are in China of their own freewill, not of necessity. So let's make a law that prohibits Google from censoring information and opinion, and expect them to obey it. These are now evil men.

Please use your brain, its a common sense!

Please use your brain, its a common sense!

Because I am rich and have such a BIG house (China), many security companies (Microsoft Google and Yahoo-MGY) had been approaching me to sell their products and services.

After (China) reviewing their products and services, I (Chinese governement) realized, their security systems are intrusive to my family (Chinese) cultures. We don't get used to open our dirty laundry at Jerry Springer, we don't ridicule each other at David Letterman and Jay Leno.

So we tell the security companies that we may buy their products and services IF they make some modifications to suit our needs and wants (as their client).

Both have equal standing, until the thirst of money revealed and the standing tipped. Should the security companies can afford to lose us (who are rich and have a big house) which means losing significant potential revenues. Be my guest, bring your security products and services somewhere else.

This is business LOGIC analogy, this should be understood by the congressmen and many white house staffs. But why raging reaction?

Now the HOLDING companies who owned some of the security companies who accepted and adjusted some of their products and services for our house that can boost their revenues which in return, will contribute and reflect on the HOLDING company financial statements, ridiculed and prosecute them. For what? EGO! Which doesn't make any sense at all.

Microsoft, Google and Yahoo were accused of kowtowing to China? What kind of twisted thinking is that?

Can the security companies, who adjusted their products and services to fit our (China) needs and wants, being given a responsibility to change the way we think, wants and needs? Sure, if we (China) don't like it, we can tell them to hit the road and so can you. You can tell China to **** off and let Baidu and other Chinese search engines to move forward with the absense of the MGY.

In a business sense, if I were the security company, I would take this opportunity to serve and sell our products and services to this rich family who own the BIG house (China). If and when they already used, trusted and satisfied of my products and services, only then, we can influence their buying behavior by pushing our new and innovative products. And they (MGY) were prosecuted?

There are two explainations:
1. U.S. HUGE EGO as the number 1 superpower country.
2. What happened to US jurisdiction over the NET if the Microsoft (Mighty), Google (God) and Yahoo (YHWH) kowtowing to China (Communist-according to American standard).

Oh puullleeezzee, not to mention about the HYPOCRISY of America's double standards.

Please use your brain, its a common sense!

Please use your brain, its a common sense!

Because I am rich and have such a BIG house (China), many security companies (Microsoft Google and Yahoo-MGY) had been approaching me to sell their products and services.

After (China) reviewing their products and services, I (Chinese governement) realized, their security systems are intrusive to my family (Chinese) cultures. We don't get used to open our dirty laundry at Jerry Springer, we don't ridicule each other at David Letterman and Jay Leno.

So we tell the security companies that we may buy their products and services IF they make some modifications to suit our needs and wants (as their client).

Both have equal standing, until the thirst of money revealed and the standing tipped. Should the security companies can afford to lose us (who are rich and have a big house) which means losing significant potential revenues. Be my guest, bring your security products and services somewhere else.

This is business LOGIC analogy, this should be understood by the congressmen and many white house staffs. But why raging reaction?

Now the HOLDING companies who owned some of the security companies who accepted and adjusted some of their products and services for our house that can boost their revenues which in return, will contribute and reflect on the HOLDING company financial statements, ridiculed and prosecute them. For what? EGO! Which doesn't make any sense at all.

Microsoft, Google and Yahoo were accused of kowtowing to China? What kind of twisted thinking is that?

Can the security companies, who adjusted their products and services to fit our (China) needs and wants, being given a responsibility to change the way we think, wants and needs? Sure, if we (China) don't like it, we can tell them to hit the road and so can you. You can tell China to **** off and let Baidu and other Chinese search engines to move forward with the absense of the MGY.

In a business sense, if I were the security company, I would take this opportunity to serve and sell our products and services to this rich family who own the BIG house (China). If and when they already used, trusted and satisfied of my products and services, only then, we can influence their buying behavior by pushing our new and innovative products. And they (MGY) were prosecuted?

There are two explainations:
1. U.S. HUGE EGO as the number 1 superpower country.
2. What happened to US jurisdiction over the NET if the Microsoft (Mighty), Google (God) and Yahoo (YHWH) kowtowing to China (Communist-according to American standard).

Oh puullleeezzee, not to mention about the HYPOCRISY of America's double standards.

[jacob_pangu]

please stop doing stupid and start someting more instructive

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[jacob_pangu]

please stop doing stupid and start someting more instructive

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[Bobhay]

People in glass houses......

Perhaps the Chinese government will pass a law making it illegal for Chinese tech firms to do business in a country that:
- Invades other countries resulting illegally and on false pretences, resulting in the deaths of over 20,000 innocent civilians.
- Suffers more than 2000 dead military in that conflict, but where you will never see an image if you try to search for pictures of the dead returning to that country in coffins
- That illegally maintains a prison with more than 600 inmates that have no charges laid against them and have had no representation
- That allows children of all ages to enter anything into image search engines and see the results ? such as "cucumber" and "*******"
- Whose intelligence agency kidnaps people in other countries, taking them to secret prisons where they are tortured with no charges against them.
- Where more than 35,000 people die every year due to the unrestricted use of guns.
- Which has executed more than 1000 people in the last 10 years, including juveniles and the mentally ill

And which has imposed a trade embargo on Cuba for over 45 years that has worked so effectively to unseat Castro (who has now outlasted 9 US Presidents) and provide freedom to the oppressed Cuban people NOT.

[Bobhay]

People in glass houses......

Perhaps the Chinese government will pass a law making it illegal for Chinese tech firms to do business in a country that:
- Invades other countries resulting illegally and on false pretences, resulting in the deaths of over 20,000 innocent civilians.
- Suffers more than 2000 dead military in that conflict, but where you will never see an image if you try to search for pictures of the dead returning to that country in coffins
- That illegally maintains a prison with more than 600 inmates that have no charges laid against them and have had no representation
- That allows children of all ages to enter anything into image search engines and see the results ? such as "cucumber" and "*******"
- Whose intelligence agency kidnaps people in other countries, taking them to secret prisons where they are tortured with no charges against them.
- Where more than 35,000 people die every year due to the unrestricted use of guns.
- Which has executed more than 1000 people in the last 10 years, including juveniles and the mentally ill

And which has imposed a trade embargo on Cuba for over 45 years that has worked so effectively to unseat Castro (who has now outlasted 9 US Presidents) and provide freedom to the oppressed Cuban people NOT.

[ragner]

The real story?

Anybody think this may have something to do with Googles refusal to release info to the USA, concerning peoples search records? It would be to obvious to go after Google directly, so they are going after all of them.

[ragner]

The real story?

Anybody think this may have something to do with Googles refusal to release info to the USA, concerning peoples search records? It would be to obvious to go after Google directly, so they are going after all of them.

[Jake Leone]

The U.S. is not trying to control Google.

The U.S. is trying to stop other countries from controlling Google, and the other big internet companies.

The difference between China and the U.S. government is this,

- If China requests information on a million sight accesses of Google, Google would give that information immediately (or leave China immediately).

- If the U.S. government requests the info, Google has the freedom to block such an order, if it can prove its case in court.

Further, China is using the information (on U.S. Servers) provided (seemingly with glee) from Yahoo, Cisco, Microsoft, Google and others, for political perscecution.

This cannot be allowed, search requests from governments must be subject to due process.

In China there is no process, you either do it the Chinese government way, and submit, or stay off the Chinese information highway.

[Jake Leone]

The U.S. is not trying to control Google.

The U.S. is trying to stop other countries from controlling Google, and the other big internet companies.

The difference between China and the U.S. government is this,

- If China requests information on a million sight accesses of Google, Google would give that information immediately (or leave China immediately).

- If the U.S. government requests the info, Google has the freedom to block such an order, if it can prove its case in court.

Further, China is using the information (on U.S. Servers) provided (seemingly with glee) from Yahoo, Cisco, Microsoft, Google and others, for political perscecution.

This cannot be allowed, search requests from governments must be subject to due process.

In China there is no process, you either do it the Chinese government way, and submit, or stay off the Chinese information highway.

[Jake Leone]

You can't appease a dictatorship.

When dictatorship governments, control the press, you have recipe for mass extermination.

There are no perfect goverments, there is corruption, war-mongering, and hate in all the governments of the world Hamas, Taliban, China, Russia, and the U.S.

But if you can shine a light on the bad things that people in governments do then you have chance at making a change i.e. Abu Graib, Suicide Bombers killing little children on buses, lieing about holding Osama Bin Ladin, running people over with tanks, taking bribes...(We Humans are corrupt, hateful creatures.)

What Yahoo, CISCO, Microsoft, and Google are doing, is turning off the light in China. In fact, they are bending over backward to turn that light out in China.

These companies are actively helping to turn off the lights in China by:

- Sending the Chinese government information that can be used to track down political disidents.

- Deleting, banning, newsworthy blogs by people who genuinely want to help their fellow Chinese citizen, in a peaceful, sincere, and polite way.

There was a famous case of a German missionary, who filmed the brutal murder of people in Nan King China by the Japanese. This film, could have saved millions of lives, it might have caused the U.S. and Russia to realize how brutal the Facists were (and so be better armed). This film was confiscated by the Nazi government and repressed. And that is why, controlling the press is a recipe for mass-murder, genocide, and extermination.

[Jake Leone]

You can't appease a dictatorship.

When dictatorship governments, control the press, you have recipe for mass extermination.

There are no perfect goverments, there is corruption, war-mongering, and hate in all the governments of the world Hamas, Taliban, China, Russia, and the U.S.

But if you can shine a light on the bad things that people in governments do then you have chance at making a change i.e. Abu Graib, Suicide Bombers killing little children on buses, lieing about holding Osama Bin Ladin, running people over with tanks, taking bribes...(We Humans are corrupt, hateful creatures.)

What Yahoo, CISCO, Microsoft, and Google are doing, is turning off the light in China. In fact, they are bending over backward to turn that light out in China.

These companies are actively helping to turn off the lights in China by:

- Sending the Chinese government information that can be used to track down political disidents.

- Deleting, banning, newsworthy blogs by people who genuinely want to help their fellow Chinese citizen, in a peaceful, sincere, and polite way.

There was a famous case of a German missionary, who filmed the brutal murder of people in Nan King China by the Japanese. This film, could have saved millions of lives, it might have caused the U.S. and Russia to realize how brutal the Facists were (and so be better armed). This film was confiscated by the Nazi government and repressed. And that is why, controlling the press is a recipe for mass-murder, genocide, and extermination.