Comments on: Congress looks askance at firms that bow to China

U.S. politicians vow to punish companies such as Microsoft, Yahoo, believed to cooperate with China censorship.

[nasser0000]

Here's what gets me ...

"It's putting American businesses at a disadvantage in the world marketplace."

It used to be that the United States took a higher moral stance than other countries ... or at least, it tried to. Now it's all about the dollar.

[Remo_Williams]

That got me, too.

So what if someone else will do it? It doesn't have to be a US company. Being a US company should mean something other than unchecked greed and unprincipled capitalism... although the hypocrisy at work there is well over 200 years old.

We should draw a line in the sand. If your actions as a company directly aid the suppression and repression of people, you are criminally liable in the US. Enough of corporate entities being a shield for greed; hold the CEO accountable... hold their Board accountable. In this country, we don't do that to people.

It's disgusting. It's why Cuba went Communist in the 50's... so why perpetuate it?

-R

[Stating]

But It's OK To...

Criticism from Congress against American businesses doing business with China is disingenuous at best and hypocritical at worst. How many Congress members have gone to work as lobbyists or registered agents for U.S./China trade after leaving office? How many Congress members are criticizing China for buying trillions in U.S. debt, which is keeping our economy afloat? The reality is that without China buying our massive debt, created by a guns-and-butter, sacrifice nothing, chicken-in-every-pot, pork-in-every-barrel budget, we would collapse without them. Face it, we have outsourced our prosperity to China. There is no turning back.

[Vin Zh]

Oh really?

How much longer do you think we can "enjoy" YOUR "prosperity", with the way we're screwing with our environment and each other? What you've outsourced is a pittance compared with the netural resources and clean environment you've saved! As to those responsible for the catastrophic consequences that are going to happen to my country, they will simply take all money away and be harbored and protected in YOUR country by YOUR politicians. YOUR govn. knows this clearly and is expecting it. You will see what i mean by then. And I'd better hope this web site will NOT give my identity away as well.

[Vin Zh]

One more thing

Oh, One more thing I need to add...
When the responsibles flee to YOUR country, YOU even get that pittance-prosperity BACK. You don't really think they've poured all that money into the millitary or social insurance fund, do you? In fact, they put most of it into their own pockets. And YOU can easily squeeze it out of them by offering "protection" in return. What a good deal! So be proactive in granting them visas!

[chhooks]

The way to correct this is $$$

The heart of the matter is we now rely on Asian goods. W@lm@rt and other companies sell nearly 90% merchandise produced in these countries. We are paying for them to develope into major world players while they continue to (pardon the term) brainwash their people that we are the "demons of the west".
If we should boycott their goods when something like this happens it would change theis approach.

[Stez]

Wait...

There are a LOT of things Made In China, not just the stuff that's at Wally World. If we were to boycott everything that said Made In China, our economy would be crippled, wouldn't it?

[Jake Leone]

Microsoft destroys free press in China, makes Apple's '1984' add come true

Microsoft recently, at the mere request of a Chinese government official. Deleted the blog of a journalist based in China.

This blog was located on U.S. Soil.

This blog was read by U.S. Citizens (as well as Chinese Citizens).

This blog contained NEWSWORTHY, useful, wholesome, information, honest information.

As such it was protected by the U.S. Constitution.

This blog did not violate any laws, in China or in the world.

This blog contained public information on the suppressive and illegal activities of the Chinese government.

This blog was protected by the U.S. constitution. As it was located on U.S. soil and read by U.S. readers.

This blog could well have been useful to many people around the world (not just China).

Microsoft is partnering with the Chinese government to eliminate the free press in China.

We know the name of Big Brother, his name is Bill.

[aburt46]

What about every one less

This is just nuts. How on earth can the goverment be attaching internet companies when other sector of the US econnomy have been linning the pocket of dictaros arround the world for years. The oil companies for years have been fueling the on going wars in africa inorder to secure oil rights. The clothing industry as been exploting what can only be called slave labor in asia and other parts of the world. You don't see congress preventing this compains form doing bussiness there. And they want to pass these types of laws at a time when the US goverment thanks to Bush is sensoring and violating US citizens right to privacy. Just resently being exposed for scanning and reading e-mail sent over the net, tapping phones without a court approval. In prisoning would be terroist without hearings or lawers.

Now I am not saying china is right however they have the right to run their country as they see fit preventing US compainies from doing bussiness will only hurt the changes already starting to take place in china. Capitalism is becoming more and more the chines way of life and with it will come changes in their human rights activities.

[Michael Grogan]

None of those companies

should be allowed to continue doing business the way they are. If we can't stop them from using scurvy business practices overseas we should ban them from doing business here. Bush should be tried for treason and hanged on the White House lawn. Our businesses over 'following their laws' are not promoting human rights or helping that cause. They ar hindering it with a bad example and would be squandering ou moral capital if we had any left.

Legal enforcing criminal activity

If the Chinese regime enact legistlation of censorship, then isn't US legistlation just trying to force companies to break the law in China ? As bad as the (China) regime is, if it enacts a law, "that's a law".

And where do the Feds get the cojones to try to legistlate activities in other countries ? Next they'll be passing a law to make it illegal to smoke in public in Cuba, or something.

At the same time...

At the same time that nothing can or should be done about US
companies enforcing Chinese censorship, exactly the opposite
conclusion is reached in the case of the French complaint of ebay's
Nazi paraphernalia being made available in France; they hadn't
even demanded the site be shut down, but only that it be made
unavailable to web surfers in France.
So which way DO we want it?

correction...

Oops, not Ebay, but Yahoo in the French case, sorry.

So Declan - what's the difference between

"Court dismisses Yahoo's free-speech lawsuit" story & "Congress looks askance at firms that bow to China" ? I see you wrote (or contributed to) both.

[The user with no name]

it's their right

to choose to do business this way...

and it's the rights of American voters to decide that WE choose to punish those companies that choose this. Will this 'hamper' American companies? In the short run maybe because they now can't count on all that chinese money... but in the long run perhaps it would fare better for them in the hearts and minds of the chinese people if they refuse to participate in their oppression.

We 'punish' foreign governments for such things... let's not say we can't hold OUR OWN corporations to the same standard.

[pskale]

Why are US companies scared of China ???

Why are global corporations scared of China ??
GM's car designs are blatantly copied and they do nothing.

Now, UK gambling sites locate their servers outsite the US and offer their services to US residents when gambling on these websites is clearly prohibitted in America.

US banks and brokerages like Goldman Sachs etcare also investing money in such companies.

If these companies can show the fing*r to the US Govt, why can't they do the same in China ???

[bdennis410]

The hypocrisy in promoting Free Speech by US government officials

Isn't it funny that the US Court of Appeals refuses to deal with Yahoo's Free Speech lawsuit, while at the same time the government is criticising Microsoft(MSN) and Google for complying with Chinese censorship regulations?

[casper2004]

Our government is littered with hypocrites!

Yes, it's very funny, and even though you didn't use my exact words, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[bdennis410]

Use business as a weapon

If business (exports) are so important to the many repressive regimes that the US does business with, why not restrict or eliminate imports from these places, or use our dollars to encourage more accomodating behavior?

[aqvanavt]

control line

one more example of one government seeking to control the actions of another while shifting the focus away from it's primary intent. The more they can get you to focus on what your neighbour is up to, the less you'll notice them going through your stuff.
Of course this is all for your own protection. :-)

[casper2004]

You might get sued, but it would be worth it!

That's when you set booby traps in and around the home.

[sparafucilli]

Chinese Censorship

To defeat the censors it seems all a citizen would have to do is substitute words/key phrases - like instead of China use USA; instead of "democracy" use "capitalistic pig". A tried and true method once the shorthand is known by all. Or let's have MS, Yahoo, Google et all do the substitution themselves. They're well practiced in the art it seems.

[brianeliel]

Put your money where your mouth is.

I have known of Microsofts intent for years. I am not fooled by their philanthrophy, similiar to the tobacco industry. If you are not just spouting hot air then stop using windows. Buy Macintosh or use Linux. I do, you don't so really stop complaining or step up to the plate.