Comments on: FAQ: The new 'annoy' law explained

Certain types of Web sites, e-mail are now federally prohibited. What does that mean in practice?

[wbenton]

Without disclosing his identity

Without disclosing his identity...

This takes care of the spoofing problem.

Nuff said!!!

Walt

[Rita V]

Annoy Law

We need more severe laws against annonymous posters and ISP's who fail to cooperate. MainStay Communications in Nebraska refused to honor out of state subpoenas to discover the identity of their customer who opened internet access account with porn site using my personal identity information and photos. This was a direct violation of their conditions of use policy and violation of their terms of use. But the offending party still has an account with them and I can't get the identity of the user who opened the account and sent men to my home for perverted sexual experiences.
If you don't know the name of the user or poster, you can't file a police report or sue them. Your belief that a certain person committed the offense is not enough to file charges. You have to prove it - - and the police will not prove it for you (this is real life - not NYPD or CSI)

[dottieg]

Annoy Law

What this "victim" fails to admit is that she broke into and trashed my home (in excess of $10,000), lived in my home without my knowledge or permission, used my Social Security number to transfer money from my savings to my checking accout, forged my name to my checks to remove funds from my checking, and used my ATM card without my knowledge or permission to steal more than $3,400 from me.

What this "victim" also fails to disclose is that she stalked and harassmed me so much that I had four heart attacks, emergency open heart surgery, and was forced to sell my home and move to another state trying to escape her malicious activities.

What this "victim" also did not admit is that she found me a month after I moved and resumed her harassment of me -- even after the police and sheriff's departments in both states told her to leave me alone, and that the FBI proved she is incapable of telling the truth.

[dottieg]

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[dottieg]

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[Rita V]

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[L80bug]

ripoffreport.com

Im interrested in how/if the laws are going to affect sites like ripoffreport.com. Any ideas?

[kaiserbob]

Ripoffreport and thoughts

I hope it would shut it down .It is not likely a place that should be on since half the time no one knows who the accuser is and nothing is checked out before beig put on .
But places like that are more libel in nature and have to be sued most likely .
Free speech is different than half /truths and libel ,free speech means you can agree or disagree and say it ,it does not mean you can lie and hide behind the free speech amendment .
And if someone owns a site like ripoffreport and claim to be what they claim to be ,an accuser would have to PROVE it before they accused .
Annoying someone is totally different and although I understand most if not all of the law passed ,it does not deal with the fundamental issues of libel online ,nor does it condone it .
I think the annoying law is for those that send people off the wall emails and foloow them online and make fools out of themselves ...well...maybe it is places like ripoffreport ..would be nice to see that place reined in and redone .
Take the trash out so to speak .

[extortion_news]

Ripoff Report Files Against Complaintremover.com http://www.ComplaintRemove

Ripoff Report Files Against Complaintremover.com http://www.ComplaintRemover.com

Read more at http://extortionnews.googlepages.com/ and http://www.DefamationAction.com

http://extortionnews.googlepages.com/Xcentric-Complaint.pdf

http://extortionnews.googlepages.com/Xcentric_-_Complaint.pdf

http://extortionnews.googlepages.com/Xcentric_-_Exhibit_A_to_Complaint.pdf

http://extortionnews.googlepages.com/Xcentric_TRO_and_Order_Setting_Preli.pdf This is the TRO asked for.

http://extortionnews.googlepages.com/StanleyTRO.pdf This is the revised TRO allowing for free speech.



One only has to Google "ED Magedson" to see the hundreds of extortion complaints against him and the Ripoffreport. Most of what is in this complaint is complete fantacy by Ed Magedson in an effort to sway the Judge on how persucuted he is. This TRO is a victory for free speech as it looks like the Judge did some Research on the history of Speth and Magedson and allowed the websites to stay up. It is not like DefamationAction is the only ones who claims Ed Magedson and Speth are Extorting folks. This ruling is a victory for free speech and for all victims of the RipoffReport.

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DefamationAction Denies making death threats to Ed Magedson. In all likelihood the Death Threat letters were made by Ed Magedson himself.
DefamationAction stands by it's allagation that Maria Speth is a partner in the Ripoffreport Extortion Scam.
DefamationAction regrets that Robert Russo was named in this suit as Robert Russo has nothing to do with DefamationAction in anyway whatsoever. Speth only named Robert as a pawn to get to me. William Stanley.
visit http://www.DefamationAction.com for more Information
http://www.ComplaintRemover.com





http://www.mariaspeth.com/



http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-02-01/news/the-real-rip-off-report/ Story on ED

http://www.goodbusinessbureau.com/



http://www.bad-business-rip-off.com/

http://www.ezripofflawsuit.com/



This is a protest site by the



http://www.jaburgwilksucks.com/



http://www.mariacrimispeth.com/

[karlkesser]

Ripoffreport .com is really down.

Ripoffreport .com is really down.
Internet Defamation league is kicking thier ass. hehehe
On February 2 2007 the Defamation League Initiated a take down of all of ED Magedson Websites
We accomplished this by bringing down the two security hosting layers he had in front of his site. At this point we know his actual host and True IP adress.

Letters have been sent to the hosting company responsible and we will see what direction they take. It is the members of Defamation League that make this possible. Keep up the effort and good work. We Will Force ED to Remove Defaming Info on our members.

For more detailed info visit the Defamation Action League.

Thank You
William Stanley
DefamationAction.com
[e-mail]

Yahoo defamationaction
MSN [e-mail]
AIM defamationaction
ICQ 238768427

[karlkesser]

Ripoffreport .com is really down.

Ripoffreport .com is really down.
Internet Defamation league is kicking thier ass. hehehe
On February 2 2007 the Defamation League Initiated a take down of all of ED Magedson Websites
We accomplished this by bringing down the two security hosting layers he had in front of his site. At this point we know his actual host and True IP adress.

Letters have been sent to the hosting company responsible and we will see what direction they take. It is the members of Defamation League that make this possible. Keep up the effort and good work. We Will Force ED to Remove Defaming Info on our members.

For more detailed info visit the Defamation Action League.

Thank You
William Stanley
DefamationAction.com
[e-mail]

Yahoo defamationaction
MSN [e-mail]
AIM defamationaction
ICQ 238768427

[steven james thief]

repsavior.com complaintremover.com scam

Police Blotter: Dark side of 'reputation defending' service
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June 29, 2007, 11:27 AM PDT
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Police Blotter is a weekly News.com report on the intersection of technology and the law.
What: A company claiming to remove defamatory comments about clients from the Internet is found liable for defamation and making death threats.
When: Arizona federal judge rules on June 21.
Outcome: Preliminary injunction granted against DefamationAction.com and ComplaintRemover.com.
What happened, according to court documents:
Companies like DefendMyName.com have recently been treated to a flurry of positive news articles describing how they help paying clients remove embarrassing information from the Internet. The Wall Street Journal refers to "success stories of customers who have buried snippy blog comments" and an ensuing Slashdot thread was titled "companies that clean up bad online reputations."
A court ruling last week, however, revealed the dark side of how some of these companies work.
Arizona resident Ed Magedson is the manager of Xcentric Ventures, which operates RipOffReport.com, a clearinghouse where disgruntled customers can post freely about how much they hate a company, its products, or the people who work for it.
As you might imagine, RipOffReport has become something of a magnet not only for frustrated consumers, but also the reputation-defending services that can charge up to a few hundred dollars a year to try to clean up someone's name (or business name) online.
Magedson said, and a judge eventually agreed, that William Stanley (behind DefamationAction.com and ComplaintRemover.com) sent him a series of threats demanding that uncomplimentary information be deleted from RipOffReport. An example: "This letter is being sent to you in the name of more than 500 businesses. No matter where you go, we will cause you a problem. Your life is in danger until you comply with our demands. This is your last warning."
Stanley also made statements that, unless true, would be libelous including calling RipOffReport's Magedson: "one of the most notorious and prolific extortionists on the Internet today," a "scumbag," a "fugitive," a "wanted criminal...with a track record of fraudulent activity," a "con man," a "career criminal," and an individual who engages in "blackmail schemes." Stanley appears on the Register of Known Spam Operations.
Also, Stanley is alleged to have targeted Xcentric's business partners, including Prolexic, which provides Internet security services, saying it would be sued and harassed unless it ceased doing business with Xcentric. The marketing firm Professional Media Group, used by Xcentric, was also drawn in, and the site PGMIsucks.com created. Some business partners terminated their relationships with Xcentric as a result.
RipOffReport's Magedson replied by saying he had hired the law firm of Jaburg & Wilk and was going to file a lawsuit. In response, Stanley created the Web site JaburgWilkSucks.com that calls the firm "Internet extortionists."
On May 11, U.S. District Judge Neil Wake in Arizona granted a restraining order against Stanley, prohibiting him from sending threats and harassing Xcentric's business partners. The restraining order also applied to the other defendants, Robert Russo (behind DefendMyName.com), the Defamation Action League, and the Internet Defamation League.
It didn't seem to make much of a difference. In a ruling on June 21, Wake said that "Stanley violated the temporary restraining order by knowingly sending spam e-mails that falsely disparaged...Jaburg & Wilk." Wake also noted that the site JaburgWilkSucks.com was created after the initial restraining order was granted.
In an ironic twist for Stanley's company, which purports to remove libelous statements from the Internet, Wake ruled: "Stanley committed the tort of libel by publishing online false statements that the attorneys at Jaburg & Wilk are 'partners in slime' and that Speth is an 'unethical attorney,' an 'Internet extortionist,' and a "partner in the ripoff report extortion scam.' The statements were published in at least reckless disregard of their falsity."
For good measure, Wake also ruled that Stanley sent unlawful threats to Magedson, unlawfully interfered with Xcentric's business relationships, invaded Magedson's privacy rights by placing him in a false light, and committed copyright infringement as well.
Excerpts from what Wake ruled was an illegally threatening e-mail message from Stanley in February 2007:
This letter is being sent to you in the name of more than 500 businesses. No matter where you go, we will cause you a problem. Your life is in danger until you comply with our demands. This is your last warning.
Your neighbors already know about your criminal dealings and how you are making many people loose (sic) their business. You will soon be beaten to a pulp and pounced into the ground six feet under with a baseball bat and sleg (sic) hammer. You will soon be sorry not just from what I am capable of doing to you, but what other members will do as soon as they know exactly where you are. Its (sic) just a matter of time until I get to you.
Here is what you can do to save your life. But you must act imidiatly (sic). Make what ever deal it takes, you must comply.
You have the previous list of companies that you need to remove from Rip-off Report. We know you hold the power. We know you have that list.
You were provided an additional list several hours ago. It's too late for anything that we discussed today. No more deal. No more playing Mr. Nice Guy. Now you must delete any of our members from your data base who have reports listed on any search engine.
If not, BVA will drop you with in 24 hours. We will make thier (sic) life misrable (sic) like we have with Prolexic and gigenet. They don't like you either. We now know who your host is and the IP address to your servers.
Those you do business with will be in danger and will be continusily (sic) be harassed till they stop doing business with you. We are contacting your advertisers.
We will continue to spam you making it impossible for you to read your mail.
Excerpts from a second threatening message sent the same day:
We warned you ed magedson. Did you hear the gun shots last night? Because of you innocent people will die. Your tenants, family members and those that work with you. Think we're joking? I told you that your site will be down and it is. That is all we want and we will not hurt anyone.
If ripoff report moves again to new hosting facilities you will not like what we will do next. Your home will burn. Those around you will burn. Do not expect any help from the police.
Once you have completed with our first list we demand you remove we will give you another list on Saturday and every Saturday from this day forward and you will have 6 hours to do the same from the time we give you that list on each and every Saturday. If the Links work after the 6 there will be a man hunt for you.
We know where you shop. We know where you bank. Greenfield and Broadway, Greenfield and Main. Are we getting closer ED? What about Basha's at Higley and Brown?