Comments on: Digital TV switch set for early 2009

Senate votes to end over-the-air analog TV in move to free up radio spectrum for broadband links.

[NewWorldDan]

Fifty Dollar Boxes

I for one happen to get my TV over the air. I'm still waiting for one of those mythical $50 boxes to show up at my local retailer. I want to go digital, but I can't justify spending $300 on a converter that might be obsolete in a few years. Oddly, I have no problem blowing $1000 on a computer that absolutely will be obsolete in the same time span.

[sanenazok]

I picked one up

at Radio Shack for $80 in September (maybe Oct, I don't remember). It works great, but the brand was discontinued. Will it stop working in a year or so? That would mean all TV broadcasters would have to buy new equipment, TOO. So, while it might not pick up some new data service five years from now, it'll still translate them DTV packets just fine.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2104191
Once demand for DTV builds up, these will be available for $10 - the device really contains just one chip. Guess what happens when they're mass produced.

[LinuxRules]

Typical Feet Dragging

I really can not take this typical American Politician feet dragging
any more. Stick to the original schedule. These Morals put off
implementing the Metric System forever. These invertebrates
need to stand their ground and force the corporations in making
the box top receivers now. Just try and buy a under $100. (Radio
Shack has one, thats all I can find). All the stations in my area
are now broadcasting Digital and no one thinks they need to do
anything now to buy or sell the units. Why? BECAUSE THE
GOVERNMENT HAS NO BACKBONES.

[open-mind]

$10 is too much?

According to the story, by the time it's needed, a converter box should be about $50, minus a $40 subsidy. So like $10.

Does Consumers Union think $10 is too much?

Or do they think those future prices are bogus?

[pjonesCET]

10 dollars "is" too much

Depends upon the people that have to switch, Many elderly on a fixed income now are having to decide whether to eat Dog or cat food, in order to buy their medications. Also have you seen the prices of the new technology. a 25-30" Plasma TV costing $1k or over. While a typical CRT Set of that size, $150-200.00.

Also, Beside being expensive, the new technology is not near as reliable, and currently not made to be servicable by qulified local technicians. Many Brands , today, require set to be sent back to manufacturer, or the parts to be sent back and fixed at factory. I kknow all of this because, I am a member of an email newsgroup from a servicers organization.

So we are talking about people getting 600-700 dollars per month SS or even less welfare, or SSI, once paying rent, ultilities, medications, Healthcare, having $50.00 left over. WE even have parts of Apalatichia that $100.00 amonth is a tidy sum.

[MichaelM]

"It's the content, stupid."

Too bad the conversion to all-digital broadcasts will do little to improve the dreck that qualifies as entertainment today. I canceled my cable service and then my satellite service because I refused to pay for so many unwanted channels, to say nothing of the endless commercials. I would rather the government use the $40 voucher to help fund better OTA programming.

[Pascoli]

Right, now the gov should be in content creation

and what kind of content do they choose to encourage?, with whose standard of decency?, with what kind of biased discovery channel, one that denies that global warming is not occuring, that sex ed should only teach abstinence....you don't want uncle sam in that business

[CharlesRovira]

And by then I'll be podcatching HDTV

This is very good.

The broadcast industry is forcing a whole new standard and requiring that all equipment be upgraded.

All of the TVs will require on-board computers to decode and decompress the signals captured over the air (an 'iffy' situation at best) or from cable.

People who are resistant to having these devices, lets call them neo-luddites, are not going to be happy when their old Philco goes dark; but the industry doesn't care.

To be honest, neither do we, the technorati.

This WILL happen, whether its stupid or not.

Meanwhile podcatching (and podasting) are already becoming entrenched.

Why pay for an additional TiVO just because you're not there spot on seven to watch a show, when you're already using a computer.

With podcatching you can elect to catch it anytime it becomes available, watch it when you want, as often as you want, to fast forward or reverse over parts of it, all on the same HDTV screen, that is dropping in price as I write this.

Your money goes directly to the producer, the content provider, which kills the avertising market.

They'll be forced to use Google and make their ads for podcasting.

You don't bothered by the broadcaster's eternal need for money, with the ever growing 30% interruptions of the programming.

When that programming isn't preempted because some other programming knocks your show from the roster just because it was cheaper to produce and doesn't impact their ability to sell coffee-flavoured hemmorhoid shaving cream.

The broadcasters never thought that the internet would be their downfall.

After all, its packetized, non-continuous, jerky and could never compete with on-air quality. (Trying to watch streaming video can be time consuming, what with all those 'Buffering ..." messages, and trying to listen to streaming audio can be painful to artistic ears.)

But since they're going digital and the old rabbit ears are about to be lopped off, they're in the same boat.

If a fly farts or there's a flare on Aldebaran, your tevevisual experience boils down to "No Signal, or encrypted..."

Podcatching is a much superior delivery mechanism for digital content.

Well, they brought it on themselves.

I predict that they'll have another five years before their investors force them into liquidation.

Broadcsating has commited suicide. Long live podcasting (and podcasters.)

[thebigrod]

No one out there know anything bout the technogy

digital tv is here to stay all you have to do is get a high end video card. these cards will become avialable and make downloading podcasts obosolete all you have to do is hook up a uhf antenna or your cable to you digital reciever onboard your computer that is intergrated with you tv . then you set your computer to record your programs. who needs tivo or podcasts.

[sda3]

They will extend it again

Watch them push it back again. It was supposed to happen Jan 1, 2006

[paulsecic]

Extend

People still won't buy these expensive sets. Most people I know don't care about HDTV.

[drwho]

...and again, and again.

most people could care less about HDTV. WHY do you think most all the stations are dragging their feet about implementing full 24/7 HD broadcasts?? It would cost them a helluva lot of $$$$$ to do it because hardly anyone is actually watching it on one of those fancy overpriced HD TV sets; we are all still using our ole 4:3 Aspect Ratio CRT televisions.

The reason they keep pushing it back is the ADVERTISING INDUSTRY lobbys for it. Ya think they want to loose 20% of their viewing audience because the viewers TV can't decode the DIGITAL SIGNAL??

Also, TV stations set their AD RATES "by the numbers" so they would have to drop their rates if all those ANALOG ONLY viewers were cut-off.

[ahickey]

Free to air digital tv in the UK already - Box £30

Free to air digital TV is already in the UK and you can get the convertor boxes for £30 whcih is about $50, so the price is right.

This is what I have and it suits my needs. The picture quality is great and the extra information available is fantastic.

I spent some of the summer watching Wimbledon and when the through the digital box I could watch any of 3 courts on the same channel. So, if the offical coverage wasn't the game I wanted to see I wasn't stuck with it.

I think it is right to change over to digital for so many reasons.
HDTV
Surround Sound
Imrpoved Control
Free up bandwidth for all those new technologies we want.

By the time 2009 comes people will be crying out for it. Think back 4/5 years. Where was broadband where was wireless, where was personal medial players (not using a brand name...)
By 2009 digital will be mainstream and the conversion will have happened with out any fuss.

Free???

I was under the impression that receiving broadcast TV in the UK was an activity subject to a yearly tax and that this was enforced by roving equipment trucks. Each truck being outfitted to catch those horrible few who dare attempt to evade the tax by watching TV..for FREE!

[sanenazok]

and down under

Australia rolled it out in 2001. I'm pretty sure they're in simulcasting still (just like the US), but they will beat US to full transition.
http://www.dba.org.au
They have receivers starting at suggested retail price of US$72.

[tofarrell]

Already Obsolete?

Seems that they are ensuring that Government and Big Business will still have total control over what and how you receive information over the airwaves. This will assure new technologies will be controlled and monopolized and personal expressions censored for years to come. I wonder how many superbowl commercials it would take to make those set top boxes free?

[fred dunn]

Require Inclusion of ATSC Tuners NOW!...

They are letting the consumer electronics industry get away with another year or so of peddling analog-only sets when the vast majority of couch potatoes do not even know this is coming. They are magnifying the same problem they are trying to solve by extending the date for the "required" inclusion of a digital tuner.
The sidenote to this is that it doesn't take much to include the tuner in a set but if the manufacturers sell the unit as a "monitor" as so many HD sets sell as then this requirement does not apply so they wind up having to buy a set top box anyway.

Bottom line: If you are going to buy a TV for "over the air" (OTA) use then you need to select one of the few that has a digital tuner built-in or you will be playing multiple remotes again just like in the old VHS days. Remember this too, When your cable or satellite signal goes dark for one reason or another, if you don't have the tuner then you are SOL (solidly out of luck). What did you think it meant?

Fred Dunn

[heystoopid]

Actuall $10 is far too much, it should be free!

Since the Spectrum will cancelled by law, then the government, is required to provide a free alternative to end user, to be paid for and installed by all broadcasters of this technology, for that is the only way, to insure uniform introduction by the due date!

[sanenazok]

No

The spectrum belongs to the government. When was the last time you got anything "for free" from the government? Whenever you get something from uncle Sam, you're paying for it in tax expenditures. It's just re-distributing your money. Also, when did broadcasters EVER have to provide free reception equipment. I don't remember seeing too many CBS-provided radio's or TV's around.

[bobby_brady]

Is this a threat from the MPAA, oops I mean FCC?

Why does the FCC want to outdate the analog standards? Could it be the MPAA has paid them a "dear visit"?

[sanenazok]

'twas the Land of the Setting Sun

The discussion of digital TV started in Congress after Japanese showed off their version of digital TV. A few grand alliances later we are where we are.

Oh and analog wastes really, really good spectrum.

[Pascoli]

read the article again

to free up spectrum for other services. the reason the 700 mhz is use in the first place is that it's the one that travels farther and penetrates inside structures best. so it would make sense to use it for broadband internet or other yet unforseen commercial services. I'm guessing the benefit to mpaa is just incidental. cause they'll drm'ed the content and it won't be easyly copied. but the customer gets a much better quality picture and sound as well, not to say anything about things like teletext that exist in europe.

[snoonie]

Paying for digital TV

OK, so the government is willing to help pay for converter boxes. So who or what helps to pay for satellite and cable access? I have both and it costs me almost $100 @ month. Who helps the poor with that?

I will bet that as soon as either/both is/are necessary for reception both services immediately raise their prices.

[drwho]

SAT & CABLE??

WHY in the world would you have both SAT & CABLE TV?? If you can afford to have both of them, you aint gonna meet their definition of POOR by a long shot!!

[thebigrod]

IGNORANCE

digital tv is available For FREE over the air waves and it still will be, even after the 2009 switch. all you need is a Good UHF antenna. the digital switch over should have happened 10 years ago!

[thedreaming]

clearing bandwith

Looks like they want the frequencies currently being used for free over the air tv, but what are they going to do with them? Military use? Free Porn? 24 Looney Tunes on every channel?

[Pascoli]

Right, now the gov should be in content creation

and what kind of content do they choose to encourage?, with whose standard of decency?, with what kind of biased discovery channel, one that denies that global warming is not occuring, that sex ed should only teach abstinence....you don't want uncle sam in that business

[Stating]

So Digital Is Good Enough For Consumers, But...

The thing that puzzles me about this story is that communications systems in the world have, or are, moving to digital -- cellular, WiFi, TV, but the police and fire want to use analog technology fom the 1950's that consumes a huge amount of bandwidth. What gives with this? Next thing you know they will be going back to vacuum tubes.

[markdoiron]

Why Do You Say This?

just wondering, Keith, what makes you say that the new emergency comm systems will be analog?

mark d.

[Mackulla]

been there -- done that

I have been using of the air digital and HD for about a year now. I have two accesses one through my DISH HD receiver and I have 6 months experience using a Samsung HDTV tuner feeding a recorder. I got the Samsung off Ebay and still paid too much. I see several problems. I also have an ATI HDWonder receiver card for my compute. I won?t report on that as I am sill tying to get it to work. The following is based on my ability to receive good digital signals from the three networks and a marginal signal from FOX.

1. Those experienced with Dish, Direct or digital cable know that digital tuners are slow to respond. That irritates those of us that like to channel surf. Broadcast receivers are no different.
2. Broadcast signals have the same problems that satellite have; weather may cause the loss of signal. Because of the frequencies involved and if you are not in a fringe area the higher strength of the signals it is generally not as bad, but it still exists. I have a broom handy to knock the snow off my dish but that won?t help my UHF antenna.
3. I live in Nevada amongst mountains and am serviced, in some cases, by repeaters. This good news ? bad news. Analog signals are subject to multi-pathing or those not familiar with transmitted signals; signal can bounce off objects such as building or mountains causing distortion due to two signals arriving out of sync. Digital doesn?t seem to have that problem, but I have a mountain between me and Reno where some of the digital transmitters are.
4. None of the repeaters in my area are yet transmitting digital. My possible concern is that repeaters are low power and if you don?t get better than 50% on the receivers? signal meter you get no picture. A 60% signal can experience drop outs, you know when you loose sound or see pixel drop out.
5. Even without the repeaters my understanding is that digital signals are all destined to be in the UHF range. UHF is more line of sight than VHF and may cause some reception problem. At this time two of the Reno stations are still using VHF frequencies. I don?t know what that is all about. It may be the integration process.

In balance I think the plusses from digital will offset the minuses. Our NBC is broadcasting three digital channels, HD, Digital, and 24 hour weather. Capturing a digital signal on a vcr at the lowest resolution is often as good as an analog sign at the highest resolution.

Bill

[stethe244]

digital tv's by 2009

Has the FCC or any other entity involved with this merger thought about the 16.1 million households that cannot afford the alleged $50.00 for this conversion? It is absolutely ludicris to assume that anyone can either go buy a new tv or subscribe to cable and or satellite broadcasting. What about the elderly folks who depend solely on social security? And further more about the single parent households that are lucky to even have a tv? The government is turning our free country into a monopoly. In short, I guess I don't agree with this change.

[bigbrichardson]

Stop Complaining

TVs were not free when they first arrived. Neither were cellphones, radios, or computers. They are still not free. Interesting enough, you said that some elderly depend on Social Security, and not their TVs! "Single parent households that are even lucky to have a tv?" If they are not "lucky" enough to have a tv nothing will change for them. Change is inevitable. GET USED TO IT!

[herby2]

Questions & Concerns; Junked TVs?

I live in a senior mobile home park. Many of my neighbors don't know about the digital switch. Some have questions that I can't answer:
- I watch TV from my antenna because I can't afford cable or satellite service.
-- Will my antenna still pick up the new digital signals?
-- If I buy the converter box(s), will I have to buy one for each TV, or can I hook one converter box to the antenna, and feed its signal to multiple TVs in my house through existing wires?
--- If I only need one box, attached to my antenna, will it allow us to watch different programs on different TVs at the same time?
- What about my VCRs? Will they still record my shows when I'm at church?
- If I need a separate converter for each TV and/or VCR, will the government give me a rebate on each of the converters, or just one.
-- If not, and we can only afford to buy one box for one TV (and no cable or satellite service), what will happen to all "dead" TVs and/or VCRs?
>>> Landfills?

[Jan Richardson]

Converter Boxes for Digital television

I have cable TV now and have to use a converter box for my HD TV. The cable company said I would have to rent another converter box for each TV that I use @ $6.95 each per month. Will I be able to purchase the converter boxes at a retail store instead and not have to rent.

[catwomyn56]

Digital TV switch, set for Feb.2009

Live in S. Florida, whenever any hurricanes came thru & lost utilities, was always able to use battery TV w/rabbit-ears. Once the digital switch goes thru won't be able to do that anymore.
Can remember b 4 cable, when only rabbit-ears &
TV Antennas would be seen on roof-tops. What use to be "FREE" is now being charged outrageous fees, for basic cable & satellite service. Expecting the day radio AM & FM Stations, will no longer be "FREE" & we'll have to pay to listen to our radios too. Corporate & Government & Neo-C0ns win-out again.

[999shadow]

Digital TV

TV is not a requirement to live. Why should my hard earn tax dollars be used to pay for people to have TV? Let them save up and get it themselves, $50 is not a hardship. Don't drink and smoke for a day or two.

[phunt0008]

Hi

Hi my names paul I was visiting this site about information for concerns for the new digital tv requirments for 2009 for my english essay and I was wondering do you agree with this or are you against everyone having to be converted to digital tv and all who own a standard anolog set have to buy a digital -to-anolog converter box in order to watch just basic channels? I was wondering what your views of that was also?Do you feel many other people are against this and technology is getting rather too advanced too fast? Thanks for help if you can respond